Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

A fine answer, for the record I voted yes, but I am ok with either.

Edit : Errr you should of put a third option.

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I would, but I wish Square would add a poll function to the forums.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

I understand what you mean about my credibility. :p

But I started this poll because I am worried about the state of FFXIV's future. I wouldn't mind if we revisited the idea in 2.0, but right now I'd rather just go without a pet.

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If you did not know, we WILL be getting your version of DRG come 1.21. Those of us who want a Wyvern will have to wait almost a year from now for our version of DRG. There will NOT be any alternative even if 99% of the playerbase voted pro Wyvern, the outcome would remain unchanged until the pet AI is ready to go.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

If you did not know, we WILL be getting your version of DRG come 1.21. Those of us who want a Wyvern will have to wait almost a year from now for our version of DRG. There will NOT be any alternative even if 99% of the playerbase voted pro Wyvern, the outcome would remain unchanged until the pet AI is ready to go.

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251 don't want wyvern
84 do want wyvern

you are along way off 99 percent

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Originally Posted by grandm

251 don't want wyvern
84 do want wyvern

you are along way off 99 percent

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Grandm, he means that we'll be getting a pet-less Dragoon at 1.21, and that having a pet class before 2.0 is impossible due to the pet system's implementation scheduled for 2.0.

That means we can comfortably say that we will NOT get any Wyverns or dragoon pets until 2.0, and even then that is very much in the air, dependent on how players react to the initial implementation of DRG.

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Originally Posted by grandm

in FF14 dragoons come from ishgard. yoshi has already said the dragoons quest will speak about ishgard withouht taking you there. as they have big plans for ishgard in V2.0. we also know ishgard hates dragons. so purely going on the lore of this game alone it makes no sense for dragoons to have dragons

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So we will be Dragoons NOT coming from Ishgard, and may have our own way of doing things.

I would still like to see SE try to give us all what we want. I would like to see the option to quest for a pet wyvern to fight alongside us. Without taking away from those who choose not to have it.
I'm not worried about the numbers in this poll. Many people were against jump (enough for Yoshida-san to acknowledge it), and it's still being implemented. Yoshida-san seems to be trying to make everyone happy in this game.
If they try, and balancing can't be done, and the pet can't be added in the end, well then it'll be time for me to move on to a new job.

(Of course, as I said earlier, I'm not asking for them to delay bringing the DRG job into the game. The jobs will be implemented before pet jobs. DRG will be implemented, and what I'm asking is when they're ready to bring pet jobs into the game, if they could please try to add an optional wyvern pet quest then to make the rest of us happy.)

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Grandm, he means that we'll be getting a pet-less Dragoon at 1.21, and that having a pet class before 2.0 is impossible due to the pet system's implementation scheduled for 2.0.

That means we can comfortably say that we will NOT get any Wyverns or dragoon pets until 2.0, and even then that is very much in the air, dependent on how players react to the initial implementation of DRG.

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i did get that. i'm just saying i can't see the number 99% being put in the yes wyvern camp, now or in a year

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

So we will be Dragoons NOT coming from Ishgard, and may have our own way of doing things.

I would still like to see SE try to give us all what we want. I would like to see the option to quest for a pet wyvern to fight alongside us. Without taking away from those who choose not to have it.
I'm not worried about the numbers in this poll. Many people were against jump (enough for Yoshida-san to acknowledge it), and it's still being implemented. Yoshida-san seems to be trying to make everyone happy in this game.
If they try, and balancing can't be done, and the pet can't be added in the end, well then it'll be time for me to move on to a new job.

(Of course, as I said earlier, I'm not asking for them to delay bringing the DRG job into the game. The jobs will be implemented before pet jobs. DRG will be implemented, and what I'm asking is when they're ready to bring pet jobs into the game, if they could please try to add an optional wyvern pet quest then to make the rest of us happy.)

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i have thought of this point and from what i can tell there is only one guild in each city state. there is no reason to think its not going to be the same with jobs only having one home. if they do decide to go with dragoons having wyverns then chances are that dragoons are going to have to be renegade from ishgard. the problem with this idea is ishgard is not the empire. they are ally's

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Grandm, he means that we'll be getting a pet-less Dragoon at 1.21, and that having a pet class before 2.0 is impossible due to the pet system's implementation scheduled for 2.0.

That means we can comfortably say that we will NOT get any Wyverns or dragoon pets until 2.0, and even then that is very much in the air, dependent on how players react to the initial implementation of DRG.

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Atleast someone here can read -_-

Yes this is exactly what I mean :P

I would prefer you give LNCs a wyvern but not as a pet that fights alongside you and you'll end up with the need to nerf LNC, but as a pet you can ride and possibly fight on.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

for all we know the unlock quest might have us stumble upon an ancient tome from many years past about this "Legendary Dragoon" of Ishgard who may have had a bond with a Dragon instead of "KIRR THEM ALL!"

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This is actually similar to how I pictured it happening. Some legendary dragoon having a wyvern bond, and then we follow in his footsteps instead of the "kill all dragons" type. lol It could work perfectly well in the current lore.
This may be incorrect, but I heard someone say something before about a CNJ quest that involves dragoons and some wyvern statue or stone or something glowing and mentioning his master. :x I would like to know about this quest.. if it exists.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

So we will be Dragoons NOT coming from Ishgard, and may have our own way of doing things.

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I stopped reading your post after I read this sentence. It suggests a huge degree of ignorance or willingness to destroy the lore of FFXIV just to have something you want.

You're assuming too readily based on your interpretation of things. Odds are Yoshi-P will not be doing it "your" way.

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Originally Posted by grandm

i have thought of this point and from what i can tell there is only one guild in each city state. there is no reason to think its not going to be the same with jobs only having one home. if they do decide to go with dragoons having wyverns then chances are that dragoons are going to have to be renegade from ishgard. the problem with this idea is ishgard is not the empire. they are ally's

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Yes, I don't expect to be friends with Ishgard if I have a wyvern hanging around me. lol :x It would be very interesting if the rogue Dragoons who chose to keep a wyvern weren't allowed in at all (while on that job). Perhaps not "fair" but it would make for interesting lore. :3

I wonder though... if Ishgard will be destroyed and become a ruins or something similar in 2.0.
We know they have big plans for Ishgard.. I keep wondering how drastically Ishgard might change in the future. Though that has little to do with the topic of Dragoons having wyvern pets... unless at some point Ishgard feels they need wyverns and is forced to work with them for protection or something. Doubtful, but I can't help but wonder what will become of Ishgard in 2.0.

Also, slightly related topic: Yoshida-san spoke of possible dragon people. I wonder.. would Ishgard have to befriend dragon-kind then? To let those people in? Or perhaps they would be enemies? :3

So much to think about, so many possibilities.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

I stopped reading your post after I read this sentence. It suggests a huge degree of ignorance or willingness to destroy the lore of FFXIV just to have something you want.

You're assuming too readily based on your interpretation of things. Odds are Yoshi-P will not be doing it "your" way.

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I was only saying we are adventurers. We aren't from Ishgard unless we roleplay so. I'm not assuming anything. I'm looking at possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Yes, I don't expect to be friends with Ishgard if I have a wyvern hanging around me. lol :x It would be very interesting if the rogue Dragoons who chose to keep a wyvern weren't allowed in at all (while on that job). Perhaps not "fair" but it would make for interesting lore. :3

I wonder though... if Ishgard will be destroyed and become a ruins or something similar in 2.0.
We know they have big plans for Ishgard.. I keep wondering how drastically Ishgard might change in the future. Though that has little to do with the topic of Dragoons having wyvern pets... unless at some point Ishgard feels they need wyverns and is forced to work with them for protection or something. Doubtful, but I can't help but wonder what will become of Ishgard in 2.0.

Also, slightly related topic: Yoshida-san spoke of possible dragon people. I wonder.. would Ishgard have to befriend dragon-kind then? To let those people in? Or perhaps they would be enemies? :3

So much to think about, so many possibilities.

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from the snipets of information i have heard they have big plans for ishgard and these big plans are for players to take part in. they said the reason we are not getting ishgard till after 2.0 is coz. with this game engine we are restricted to less than 50 players on screen. and their plans are much bigger than that. i don't know what they are, if i had to guess i bet its got something to do with killing dragons and who knows maybe that will be the release of bahamut primal (but i'm getting ahead of myself there) my main point is do you want to be locked out of this major content, just so you get a wyvern?

I'd just like to point one thing out, the lore is not what's going to determine if dragoon gets a wyvern or not. During the interview where Yoshi says that they are undecided about dragoon getting a wyvern or not he stated that the class balancing was the issue. Also I take that the choice will depend on our opinions, I wonder where he got the impression that everyone wanted a wyvern, because from this thread it looks quite grim.

That being said you can tell that the lore is not what's finite in this discussion, they can easily work around it without of it having to much impact to the settings. Same goes for the traditional view on dragoon.

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Originally Posted by grandm

from the snipets of information i have heard they have big plans for ishgard and these big plans are for players to take part in. they said the reason we are not getting ishgard till after 2.0 is coz. with this game engine we are restricted to less than 50 players on screen. and their plans are much bigger than that. i don't know what they are, if i had to guess i bet its got something to do with killing dragons and who knows maybe that will be the release of bahamut primal (but i'm getting ahead of myself there) my main point is do you want to be locked out of this major content, just so you get a wyvern?

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This is however highly hypothetical, and who is to say that we can't get the same scale on content and enjoyment of something that doesn't revolve about dragons? Additionally, who says that a dragoon with a wyvern can't fight a dragon?

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Originally Posted by grandm

from the snipets of information i have heard they have big plans for ishgard and these big plans are for players to take part in. they said the reason we are not getting ishgard till after 2.0 is coz. with this game engine we are restricted to less than 50 players on screen. and their plans are much bigger than that. i don't know what they are, if i had to guess i bet its got something to do with killing dragons and who knows maybe that will be the release of bahamut primal (but i'm getting ahead of myself there) my main point is do you want to be locked out of this major content, just so you get a wyvern?

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I don't think SE would lock anyone out actually. I would find it interesting if we could be locked out of certain things(like areas) because of lore.. but I just don't think SE would. Especially because they've mentioned dragon-people. They seem to like to make things fair for everyone.
But to answer, if having a wyvern would lock me out of that area while on Dragoon, I wouldn't want the wyvern any less. I would still choose that path.

And I do wonder, if Ishgard still stands after 2.0, if they will have to befriend dragon-kind if SE adds a dragon race because SE probably wouldn't want to lock them our of anything. Perhaps they'd add to the lore.. a truce between them.
I'm not saying this is what I want obviously. lol I'm just thinking of possibilities of Ishgard and Dragoons in the future.

i would be willing to take a hit in dmg to have my pet like i did in ff11. if thye keep it along the lines of when i ws it ws then it wudnt make a difference if i was lil down graded really.

but if i get a pet i dont want everyone to get the same darn wyvern. give us colors to pick and eyes and i could be happy

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Originally Posted by Birry

i would be willing to take a hit in dmg to have my pet like i did in ff11. if thye keep it along the lines of when i ws it ws then it wudnt make a difference if i was lil down graded really.

but if i get a pet i dont want everyone to get the same darn wyvern. give us colors to pick and eyes and i could be happy

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I don't. If it was to be the same pet system FFXI had, i'd pass for sure...sucks having gimp classes just because they can summon pets.

And yeah...looooong ago i asked this when i suggested DRG (not even close to this DRG though...i guess my suggestion was discarded =P) i asked it to be a trully pet class, with multiple wyverns...like certain dragon/bird monsters dropping eggs and you taking the egg to a certain spot (maybe amberscal rock in Black Shroud...so cool that dragon-looking stone!) it would hatch into a wyvern...but different eggs = different wyverns...but by different i mean not only different color...but models, attributes, breaths and even roles.

I'm a fan of the idea of having a DRG only mount (like the drake in the video), but still against pets.

I don't know all the lore, but I would also turn in favor of staying with it, before I'd suggest any change. (In case this or the pet go against it.)

If they did it along the lines of how they talked about chocobos taking up a PT slot, then I could get behind it more. But a rehash of the way FFXI did it? no way. If the pet took up a spot in the PT, then the Dragoon nor the pet would have to be dumbed down, but I don't think this would be the way it would be added, and there for don't want to see it at all.

In FFXI when your wyvern died most of the time (and all of the time when it was our 2hr) you where screwed.

All I remember about Dragoon from FFXI was how SE could never quite nail down the balancing for a Dragoon with a pet, despite how many adjustments it went through. I think leaving the pet out of Dragoon will save headaches for both SE and for players. Leave pets for Summoner, Beastmaster, and whatever else SE comes up with, heh.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

All I remember about Dragoon from FFXI was how SE could never quite nail down the balancing for a Dragoon with a pet, despite how many adjustments it went through. I think leaving the pet out of Dragoon will save headaches for both SE and for players. Leave pets for Summoner, Beastmaster, and whatever else SE comes up with, heh.

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You are a cool cat.

My idea:

Why does the Wyvern have to add damage? Cant it be a semi passive pet? Maybe it provides a party buff while out, or perhaps it does the weaponskills FOR the dragoon.

Who says it has to attack with the dragoon?

Make Dragoon's pet like a summon in FFVII and the other FF games on console. It appears, does one hit, disappears. Then it's not really a "pet" but still could be very cool.

Circus is right. Why cant there be instanced events?

Like a levequest. party only events like calling a wyvern or summon.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

My idea:

Why does the Wyvern have to add damage? Cant it be a semi passive pet? Maybe it provides a party buff while out, or perhaps it does the weaponskills FOR the dragoon.

Who says it has to attack with the dragoon?

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So it would just totally trash the lore for even less reason.. I so see the point in that. /facepalm

A DRG should be seen a Dragon killer in XIV, it fits with the lore and fits with a lot of other FF's, its a win win situation.

Also most people seem to be against it... So why should it happen? really?
most people were for Auto attack and we have to put up with that as the ones who didn't want it dumbed down and made less interactive...
Fair is Fair.. really, just get over it :p

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Originally Posted by Esk

So it would just totally trash the lore for even less reason.. I so see the point in that. /facepalm

A DRG should be seen a Dragon killer in XIV, it fits with the lore and fits with a lot of other FF's, its a win win situation.

Also most people seem to be against it... So why should it happen? really?
most people were for Auto attack and we have to put up with that as the ones who didn't want it dumbed down and made less interactive...
Fair is Fair.. really, just get over it :p

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Totally trash the lore? All the lore we have is that Ishgard, the city we can't access, or even interact with, fights dragons... Oh btw we won't get Ishgard until 2.0, after seventh umbral era.

Also I think a lot of people who voted no in the poll were voting not to have a wyvern like FFXI, aka a pet that follows, attacks, and can be killed. That's not the same as having something like dragon-based weaponskill.

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Originally Posted by CircusMidget

Make Dragoon's pet like a summon in FFVII and the other FF games on console. It appears, does one hit, disappears. Then it's not really a "pet" but still could be very cool.

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I could probably get behind that, if it wasn't a consistent thing. But would the most outspoken among Wyvern supporters be ok with it?

I was under the impression that it was 'constant partner by my side or bust'. Which is why I went with the mount idea. (Well, also that and perhaps the deeper game-play available by actually taking care of your wyvern and customizing it.)

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Originally Posted by CircusMidget

Make Dragoon's pet like a summon in FFVII and the other FF games on console. It appears, does one hit, disappears. Then it's not really a "pet" but still could be very cool.

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I like this Idea. One attack then leave. or some weapon skill. Dragoon as a pet class sucks

Don't see why people think just because "FFXI" they going to be bad again in ffxiv. I love how some people saying it should just stay in ffxi. Well i think jumping,Dungeon finder,language servers, should stay wow and other game but i don't mind having it if it make other happy.

I hope DRG still get a Wyvern sometime SE need to do something for the people that get the less votes -.- should not always listen to the 80% of players. Maybe this is the reason listening to the player base is a bad idea and i hope SE goes back to stop listening to us and every complain and just make few things how they want it and not something we request. I myself don't like DRG i like samurai,monk,warrior but it still nice to have DRG with a wyvern but if the lore don't make sense then ok don't have the pet.

IThe wyvern was the coolest thing about dragoon to me. I think that you should be able to summon it if you want.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

I would still like to see SE try to give us all what we want. Yoshida-san seems to be trying to make everyone happy in this game.

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Trying to make everybody happy is always a recipe for failure. Giving everybody what they want cannot be beneficial for FFXIV's long-term survival. Mostly because it is simply not feasible. We have to assume the people making this game at least have half a mind better than we do about what makes an MMO work. Because it is an MMORPG, it needs to work for everybody universally, not everybody individually. And that can't happen giving everybody the option X, Y, and Z in every instance. At least not while preserving the foundational rules of the game. Unless they want to turn this into Final Fantasy Tycoon. In which case... **** it.

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Originally Posted by CircusMidget

Make Dragoon's pet like a summon in FFVII and the other FF games on console. It appears, does one hit, disappears. Then it's not really a "pet" but still could be very cool.

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I danced in my chair to the battle music. XIV needs more epic music.

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Originally Posted by Altano

Trying to make everybody happy is always a recipe for failure. Giving everybody what they want cannot be beneficial for FFXIV's long-term survival. Mostly because it is simply not feasible. We have to assume the people making this game at least have half a mind better than we do about what makes an MMO work. Because it is an MMORPG, it needs to work for everybody universally, not everybody individually. And that can't happen giving everybody the option X, Y, and Z in every instance. At least not while preserving the foundational rules of the game. Unless they want to turn this into Final Fantasy Tycoon. In which case... **** it.

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It's what they seem to be doing with the rest of the game. Yoshida keeps trying to make everyone happy. May as well try for this too. If it doesn't work out, then leave it as it is.

My friend and I were discussing something about Dragoon, Dragons, and the perceived Playable-Draconian race that Yoshi-P hinted at previously.

Let's say they release even a half-dragon race, how are they going to reconcile that with any kind of Dragoon unless it takes up a cavalry job completely unrelated to any discussion of dragons? If I were a Draconian, I'd have no use for a dragon companion, and I'd not want to be a dragon killer either.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

My friend and I were discussing something about Dragoon, Dragons, and the perceived Playable-Draconian race that Yoshi-P hinted at previously.

Let's say they release even a half-dragon race, how are they going to reconcile that with any kind of Dragoon unless it takes up a cavalry job completely unrelated to any discussion of dragons? If I were a Draconian, I'd have no use for a dragon companion, and I'd not want to be a dragon killer either.

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the whole dragon race thing is plain old bizzare to me. It doesnt even seem to fit with the FF style, almost like hes doing it because other games have weird creature like races. If he said we have a troll or ogre race coming next.....i wouldnt be surprised.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

the whole dragon race thing is plain old bizzare to me. It doesnt even seem to fit with the FF style, almost like hes doing it because other games have weird creature like races. If he said we have a troll or ogre race coming next.....i wouldnt be surprised.

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While plausible, how many MMORPGs, or even single-player RPGs, have you actually been able to play a dragon race even a half-dragon race? Not many, that's for sure.

Actually, I've always consider Roegalkyn to be the FFO-version of D&D's ogre/troll races and the Lalatarufell to be FFO's version of Dwarfs/whatever.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

While plausible, how many MMORPGs, or even single-player RPGs, have you actually been able to play a dragon race even a half-dragon race? Not many, that's for sure.

Actually, I've always consider Roegalkyn to be the FFO-version of D&D's ogre/troll races and the Lalatarufell to be FFO's version of Dwarfs/whatever.

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if SE wanted to use a dwarf they could have just recycled ones from their own series. i have not seen any lala-fell saying "rally ho" but i will keep an eye out for them. as for dragon race looking out of place it wouldn't be the first weird looking race in FF. theres kilmari of the ronso's. fraya and her kind a race of anthropomorphic rats. fran of the viera. that is just a few weird races off the top of my head i'm sure i could think of more given enough time

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Let's say they release even a half-dragon race, how are they going to reconcile that with any kind of Dragoon unless it takes up a cavalry job completely unrelated to any discussion of dragons? If I were a Draconian, I'd have no use for a dragon companion, and I'd not want to be a dragon killer either.

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That's all just speculations at this point, if that race ever becomes playable we still don't know it's characteristics. At this point I find that announcement to be bizarre, cloudy and still mid-air.

Who says that a half dragon kind of race doesn't have any benefits from a wyvern? That's nonsense.

Just want to show everyone the picture here. Now Look at the Dragoon(Kain Highwind) Look at the Dragoon again. I don't see a wyvern around him. He certainly looks kickass, and anyone can tell that is a Dragoon. Even his title reads "Dragonslayer"

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6122/phpqmmxw2am.jpg