I'd prefer them sending messages to those who we're concerned with that matter instead of saying it in a thread about a different topic. Its like going at a political interview event with most people talking to one important dude about a particular problem and one person asks something completely different so the important dude just turns around to face the other guy, farts in everyone's face behind him, and answers the question. Oh, while saying "Look forward to it! :D"
So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?
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11-01-2015, 04:28 PMKurogaea
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11-01-2015, 04:34 PMLukhaWhile I really do appreciate the efforts the community reps make to reach out to us, and I understand that you can only say so much, this is actually pretty insulting. The topic of this thread is the disparity between the glamours available to males and females, an issue which has been raised repeatedly and passionately and yet receives no acknowledgement. I'm sure a lot of people were excited to see the little crown on the topic that indicated we'd gotten an official response at last...only to be disappointed to see that response was actually to an off-topic post asking for extra features on the very thing we're upset about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grekumah
Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to hang on to that little nugget of joy until someone brought it up in a topic not full of people unhappy about not being able to even use the item in question?
I also have to ask...just which male Scion are they thinking of adding an outfit for? Because of all the male Scions, only Alphinaud has a unique outfit or hairstyle; all the others can be pretty easily replicated with low level items and a visit to Jandeline. Alphinaud's outfit is pretty nice...but he wears the same thing as his sister, and their hair is identical except for the color of the ribbon...So the only 'Male Scion's outfit' you could possibly justify charging us for is also assured to be unisex, meaning it will do nothing but make this problem worse. -
11-01-2015, 05:06 PMBreathlessTaoPretty sure a "your (repeated) concern has been noted and forwarded to the team" is not that out of what they can possibly say though...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
An off-topic post, something many of us have randomly been suspended for, mind you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
Eh, unless we get Alphi's new outfit. But yeah, I don't see that happening in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
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11-01-2015, 05:07 PMBelhiWell he did at least make a comment that was relevant in the second sentence and we did discuss the value of Minfilia's armor and its use as a glamor earlier in the thread so its not entirely inappropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
However as for male 'Scion' outfits that could work, there is Cid. That would be my vote. Having said that I would definitely be jealous. Id give up Minfilia's set for Cid's in a heartbeat.
I'll be curious if they give us new sets because I'm currently betting all the scions including Minfilia will get a costume change if and when they return. Perhaps the plan is to give old NPC sets. -
11-02-2015, 01:39 AMNoxiferIt... doesn't really change the fact that female characters got a minidress that can be worn without pants. Guys got a shirt with no covering of underpants. And maybe it's just me not seeing it, but if you could point me to the existing gear that the female outfit is a reskin of, I'd be grateful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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11-02-2015, 02:11 AMLukhaThe thing is, it's not. The bodice of the dress is the same as the Patrician's crafting top, with the addition of a skirt and seasonal bow which are completely unique from anything I've seen in-game. The male version, on the other hand, is exactly the same model as the male Patrician's top except for the bow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxifer
I'd actually be fine with it not having pants if they'd at least given it some sort of unique embellishment. Fancy coat tails would have been awesome, but anything to show they'd actually put some effort into the male costume would make me happy.
Instead we get another slap in the face, life the Valentione's gear that's a cute, unique pinafore-style dress for ladies but just the level 55 Culinarian geardyed red for males. -
11-02-2015, 02:25 AMraymoni am fine with gear looking different in each gender. but at least try and make it seem like its not a re-skin. on that note i feel like the only gear that got it right was the lighting and snow gear. with each set being unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
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11-02-2015, 03:06 AMYmalQuote:
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Remember when...
I mean I guess it just must take them over +6months to make male gear over females ones...right? -
11-02-2015, 03:29 AMNoxiferThat's what I thought, too ^^ But since I couldn't be sure I knew all the pre-existing gear, I asked Belhi to link/name the gear that the female All Saints' outfit was supposedly just a reskin of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
Oh, I agree completely. The first thing I did when I got that coatee was to glamour it to look like the hempen top, because I was fairly certain there would be a quest requiring us to wear all of the pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
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11-02-2015, 04:47 AMEidolonI think the rational they use to call it a 'reskin' is that it's very similar to the Manderville armor - namely, the top of it, and the buckles. But it has more thought/wrok put into it than the Male version did, clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxifer
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11-02-2015, 04:47 AMFaizeD
I have no idea where this recent obsession with Cid came from. Personally I find everything about him to be fugly. Aymeric or Raubahn thx.
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11-02-2015, 08:13 AMOrchidiasI had a good laugh at your comment! As a genderfluid person myself, I have days where I feel feminine and would like to have access to glamors without having to resort to a fantasia to play a female character. Or I feel macho and want to wear a tough looking armor! I feel like I should be able to access that at all times, and not be limited by a gender-lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicKirby
I don't want to see players upset about what they don't have- having access in its entirety solves this problem so honestly, I'm lost at whatever logic dictates that it can't happen.
I guess we'll wait to see what the new "male exclusive" outfit is, and I hope by everything it's not a boring one because then I will have some rather fierce opinions to share! -
11-02-2015, 08:18 AMOrchidiasI don't see anything wrong with that, to be honest, but I can see where you're coming from and what the need actually is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
I don't see how it will reduce the quality of the design. It's accessible to everyone, and androgyny has always been a staple of the Final Fantasy games. Why stop now? Sure, I love gorgeous armor or dapper suits as much as the next person, but I also like pretty dresses and I love seeing them carried by all genders so it really isn't logical to limit it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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11-02-2015, 08:27 AMFallenArisen0990Yeah with regular gear but not with casual wear. Casual wear was never really part of FF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orchidias
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11-02-2015, 08:48 AMSamcaesarI hope not. I wish they'd give me an option so armor wouldn't give my character boob armor. I want to look serious and tough while wearing the new void armor set or the DRG AF1, but both of them show off my character's breasts and it's dumb. Making everything unisex, also put in an option so that the armor flattens the chest consistently, would really be great imho. Plus.. It's going to be annoying when we have 20 sets of "Male only" outfits that look really cool and 20 sets of "Female only" outfits that look sexy/pretty. Unisex outfits for everything satisfies the most people (Except for the crowd that complains about not wanting to see dudes in dresses but.. Lol they're playing a game with lots of dudes in dresses, skirts, and other feminine underwear, just not every skirt/dress/feminine clothing piece).Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990
The core issue is men have less glamour options than women imho. If the dev team came out with a bunch of "Men only" masculine sets, then I'm sure there would be loads of girl PCs going "But I want that too!" The only solution is make everything unisex. Though, we have loads of suits, leather jackets, suits of armor (Which change from either minor to major things for the girls), which was a lot of the "Masculine" sets I saw in the thread people were referring too. I don't get exactly you could be asking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
I think it is. I don't want dude characters to be kept from feminine clothes and I don't want to be kept from wearing masculine stuff. It's very much so possible to make just masculine gear that both guys and girls can wear. Like, I don't think the dev team goes "We need to make this unisex, so let's make this masculine set feminine to make it unisex both is design and function!". Similarly, I don't think they look at like some of the feminine sets and go "Well, we need to make this more masculine so it looks unisex". -
11-02-2015, 10:41 AMFallenArisen0990To be fair, all gear is made with a preset size for breast. The breast slider only matters for your character with nothing on. I think with the way the gear is made in this game, it would be hard to allow that or it's very time consuming. If the clothes/gear worked like in animeish game, then yeah, it should be np.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samcaesar
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11-02-2015, 11:11 AMCosmicKirbyI agree. I'd rather have everything be unisex than the current system we have now. Even if they were somehow worried that men wearing dresses would shock people, I doubt there'd be many male characters bothering to do it after the initial change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orchidias
I imagine there must be some reason it's not as simple as flipping a switch. But at the same time I can't imagine that there's a large amount of effort the prevents it from happening, just some. I'm thinking that it's more of a stylistic choice, (one I don't really agree with) rather than a prioritization that is causing them to pursue other content rather than unisex outfits.
But hey, I'm just a dude that likes to dress an adorable lalafell lady in outfits, my opinion don't mean much. -
11-02-2015, 12:30 PMSamcaesarYeah, fair point. It would be super time consuming, no doubt. It's definitely on my "Most likely never going to happen but I'd probably squee in delight if SE did it" list.Quote:
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11-02-2015, 01:09 PMEulI do want big pecs for my highlanderQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurogaea
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11-02-2015, 01:10 PMKurogaea
Lol, and I just deleted that to post on a new thread. its a little off topic XD
Actually I forgot what this thread was about now....More female armor than male armor? Yeah its true, we're still waiting. :/ -
11-02-2015, 02:20 PMTanamaGive us Alphinaud and Alisae's facial features and hairstyle for elezens while you're at it. Elezen need it badly. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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11-02-2015, 04:55 PMLaraulThe bust size slider may only apply to female characters, but I assure you every character has a bust regardless of gender. It simply isn't adjustable on male characters. Even if what you say were true, it would still have no impact on head, leg, hand, and feet gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990
When they added Au Ra race they went and created the necessary model data for every piece of gear that already existed for Au Ra characters. So if that could be done within 18 months, adjusting existing gender specific gear to work on all genders wouldn't be too time consuming. -
11-02-2015, 08:30 PMCausalityIt will be Papalymo to spite you. You know they favor female characters and Lalafell in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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11-02-2015, 09:18 PMFallenArisen0990Maybe but something tells me use they just set the Au Ra to use the existing races' gear check and just allowed Tail option on for them. The head pieces they said they created with the horns in mind so it wouldn't interfere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laraul
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11-02-2015, 09:24 PMSerildaEither way they put a lot of effort into making attractive Au Ra versions of the race-locked gear instead of just starting them off with the Miqo'te equipment to cut corners.Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990
I think the point stands; if they have time to keep adding new female-only glamour items every few months and adjusting gear for the expansion, they could easily have put that same time into balancing things to be fairer instead; the fact that it (allegedly) takes slightly longer to adapt female designs for male frames is not important. It's more exciting for them if they can keep revealing new shiny female-only items each patch, but half of the players don't get to benefit from those updates at all.
Perhaps they just need to involve some more designers who prefer designing for male characters first to take the burden off the ones who are struggling to adapt their female-only designs to be suitable for everyone and giving up (some of the designs in the Another Dawn art book really make it clear that the guys are an afterthought at times). I imagine that Square-Enix has the resources to do this in-house already given its reputation. So we need to keep telling them that it's a problem. -
11-03-2015, 03:21 AMLukha
Well, if it's so difficult to adjust a piece of gear from a female model to a male model, it sounds to me that the obvious solution would be to create the original models for everything, even frilly dresses, on a male model and then adjust it to fit females. If they're doing things female > male when male > female is supposedly much simpler, they're setting themselves up to fail, aren't they?
I'm really curious whether or not there are any females working with the costume design team, and whether anyone's ever thought to ask them or other ladies around the office what THEY'D find cute or sexy or attractive for males to wear. I doubt the answer to either of those questions is 'yes', though, because even the 'sexy' male gear we do have is often lacking in some way (Colosseum loincloth, I'm looking at you and your weirdly long shorts.), and there are countless little things that just prove they're not considering male characters at all when designing gear (like the way Male Miqo'te tails clip an inch to the left of the tail-hole in every single piece of gear they bothered to put a tail-hole in). -
11-03-2015, 03:38 AMKrazymagic
Glamouring is one feature I care very little about, as a guy. I never cared for playing dress up or barbies, and as a grown man it still doesnt interest me. So the OP asks what do we think? Well I dont care really. I understand why female players like the glamour system, and thats fine, but grown men who sit around playing virtual barbie with female toons is a little odd to me.
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11-03-2015, 03:43 AMraymonthis annoys me to no end :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
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11-03-2015, 03:43 AMNoxiferI'm... not sure you've quite understood the issue. It's not about male vs female players, it's about players with male vs female characters. There are both male and female players who have female characters, and there are both male and female players who have male characters. Whether the player who enjoys glamour is male or female doesn't matter, since IRL genders don't affect the amount of glamour available. The in-game gender does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krazymagic
Also... to me your response seems a bit discriminating (even if I understand it might not have been intended that way). You might as well tell all those male designers of clothes that they're a little odd, and that it's only understandable with female designers. ^^; I'm sure that'd go over well. -
11-03-2015, 03:46 AMSerildaGenius :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
Why are you questioning what other people are doing and calling them odd? The comments about your own preferences are fine but the last part comes across as rather rude and judgemental when you're talking to a group of people from different cultural backgrounds. Your real life gender has very little to do with whether or not you like glamouring, after all, and nothing to do with the gender you pick for your character in the game. Nevertheless, thank you for bumping the thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by Krazymagic
(Edit: Apologies for seeming rather humourless about this but this topic doesn't seem capable of going more than a few pages at a time before someone naïvely makes an ill-considered statement which questions someone's real life preferences when all they're asking for is equal treatment in a fantasy game.) -
11-03-2015, 05:43 AMLukhaAnd this is a serious issue with our culture, where it's unmanly to be concerned about looks or fashion, and yet expected of women. If we were like basically every other species on the planet, it would be the males who are concerned with looking good and putting on a show to attract a mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krazymagic
But that's an issue for another topic; this one is about male characters (who might be played by women) being allowed to use the same number of items as female characters (who might be played by men), not whether or not any one player has any personal interest in the specific items. -
11-03-2015, 07:03 AMLolli282
I think this is ridiculous and should be addressed. We're all paying a subcription fee and should all get the perks with updates. I know my husband enjoys cool looking gear as much as I do. -from a female both IRL and in game
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11-03-2015, 07:32 AMElimUnless you're an actor, singer, dancer or you know... many other jobs that can make you extremely rich/successful. If you're a "full grown man" that doesn't care about fashion or how he looks chances are you aren't very successful in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
Anyway, these types of conversations don't need to be part of this thread.
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11-03-2015, 08:08 AMAshkendor"I don't care about this, so I'll just come into the thread and be vaguely insulting while I tell everyone exactly how much I don't care."Quote:
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11-03-2015, 08:29 AMDualgunnerBasically lolQuote:
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11-03-2015, 08:45 AMEulBecause you popoto is really hard to notice what glamour you did. And what kind of double standard you put there. Smh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krazymagic
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11-03-2015, 10:32 AMNoxiferWell, to be fair, it's fine to come into the thread to say one doesn't really care about this; every person commenting on it gives the mods and dev team a slightly more comprehensive picture of the general opinions of the players. ^^; But yeahhh, just a tad judgemental, maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
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11-03-2015, 08:29 PMAlice_89th
Speaking of the outfits we'll be getting... this picture is from the Rising event:
https://katella.files.wordpress.com/...pg?w=627&h=353
So, maybe Minfillia for females, Cid for males, and the twins as unisex outfits? But maybe that is just me projecting this new information on an older event. -
11-03-2015, 10:15 PMFallenArisen0990Nice find. It looks legit that these will be the ones released coming 3.1 and then maybe others will follow over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alice_89th
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11-03-2015, 10:25 PMAriaEniaI dunno... I think Cid's outfit will look good on girls too, I'll wear it ;) (just kidding)Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990