FFXIV 2nd expansion: Viera-like race still a possibility?

If they ever added a new race I would really like ronso. That would be a good beast type race.

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

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Plenty of games east or west have both cute races, it's not really specific to games made in Asia.

I highly doubt that you or many people in the userbase would have support for a race I would want. The issue is asking for things of a similar topic like "I want this race" inherently puts people on the defensive, I mean, considering the size of the dev team I'm surprised we'd get a single race. That defensiveness puts people on a really negative spin to any topic, and from what I've experienced fans of ff12 and the Viera tend to get very defensive over having them in the game before anything else (Not necessarily in this thread, but in general.)

I don't think anyone's said Viera are just Miqo'te with bunny ears, heck if anything they're Elezen with bunny ears lol. The big issue is that if you look at a girl Midlander, a girl Au Ra, and a girl Miqo'te, all of them are incredibly similar (Especially girl Au Ra and Miqo'te), you can do this with tools in the game. Making a Hyur look like an Elezen isn't too possible though, it requires a lot of changes to the height, ears, and overall body shape of the Elezen and none of those are easy to conceal. I mean if you look at http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20150426112427 they look very similar to the Elezen, even the necks look pretty long.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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There's tons of actual beastmen within the story so it could easily make sense. And go figure a bunch of them have classes of their own really similar to the ones we have access to as well. To be honest, that's whole "beast tribes aren't meant to live with the other races" is something I feel the game is trying to deny, see the inclusion of the beast tribe quests, the parallels the beast tribes have with Eorzeans to the Eorzeans with the Garleans, and Limsa's inclusion of beastmen and it still being just fine. And I'd kinda be surprised if anyone who isn't of the empire likes the empire, the Garleans are pretty generic.

I mean, looking at what they have on the final fantasy wiki for Viera, they're a tall race, who live longer than ff12's human counterparts, they live in this big forest and abide by the forest's rules. Heck there's even a bit where they don't talk to outsiders and seem pretty darn xenophobic. Imho if you just end up transplanting Viera from 12 into 14 (Which you seem to want, as you bring up Viera being "master of all weapons"), you're going to get a race that is incredibly similar both visually and culturally to the Elezens.

Humans looking like humans, that's the discovery of the century.

In response to you wanting beast tribes, read what she says
http://i.imgur.com/VMDgOGe.jpg

In response to your viera statement. You didn't play FFXII and its sequel, it shows. After FFXII ended the viera changed their stance.

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Originally Posted by BrokenFox

Didn't mind the viera in XII because we really only spent time with Fran and her sister, so it wasn't overbearing. And they were also a cool, stoic, fierce people. In an MMO it'd just be a swarm of cutesy bunny people with goofy names and cutesy outfits or whatever. Pass.

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even though i personally wouldn't mind if the race was implemented, i can definitely see this coming

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

In case you missed it, Final Fantasy is a Japanese mmo which I was also referring to. I meant all Asian mmo's in general have cutesy and or beast like races. That is one of their "trademarks", if you don't like such races than Asian games might be not for you.

I consider Miqo'tes and Lalafells cute, so FFXIV has already got what I "need". But again, I would love this Viera race.

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I'm fully aware that it's a Japanese game, but I was referring to the majority of Asian MMOs which are... bad, to say the least. Their is no "trademark" when it comes to Final Fantasy that's related to other Asian MMOs. Final Fantasy is its own thing, the developers have a slight sense of integrity and aren't trying to cash in on people who adore cute or risque things. I do like Miqo'te, which should be obvious by my playing one, can't say I'm the biggest fan of Lalas though, changed back after two days. They're cute, but it was odd playing as some little dude fighting giant beasts.

What makes FFXIV standout is that isn't the generic cutesy Asian MMO, it has more to it, which is why I advocate more beastly races. They've struck a strike a nice medium on the male side of things, but the sexual dimorphism when it came to Au Ras is absurd and I hope they don't do that again. We've had one cutesy race, I feel like we could go with something else next expansion, and then a cutesy one again after that.

Aura male aren't cutesy
You're only saying that because of the female auras. That's their mistake. Viera should be next. We just had fierce race with the aura. Race decisions shouldn't count only one side, aura was meant to be a demon, a fierce race.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Aura male aren't cutesy
You're only saying that because of the female auras. That's their mistake. Viera should be next. We just had fierce race with the aura. Race decisions shouldn't count only one side, aura was meant to be a demon, a fierce race.

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So you wouldn't mind cutey boy Viera and fierce female Viera?

Are we all in elementary school here? Races aren't 1 dimensional
They're not cute or fierce. You can be a cute male roegadyn or a cute male elezen. You're all going into extremely subjective labels here. Anyway they already made male and female viera concepts. You can call them both cute or both fierce, it really doesn't matter as long as the race is going to be well received like the aura were (a lot even switched/switch to aura). Viera clearly won the race poll (beating out the Aura). If Yoshida cares about the fans as he claims they should be the next race.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Are we all in elementary school here? Races aren't 1 dimensional
They're not cute or fierce. You can be a cute male roegadyn or a cute male elezen. You're all going into extremely subjective labels here. Anyway they already made male and female viera concepts. You can call them both cute or both fierce, it really doesn't matter as long as the race is going to be well received like the aura were (a lot even switched/switch to aura). Viera clearly won the race poll (beating out the Aura). If Yoshida cares about the fans as he claims they should be the next race.

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I think is was quite clear what I meant. Lalafell men, while cute can look somewhat like small men with potato bodies, but they can never be on the level of a rather mean looking male Au Ra due to the way they are designed. Can you show me a male Au Ra that is even close to being as cute as a Lalafell? That's the difference between a "cute" race, and a rather "fierce" one. If we can get more customization options with height sliders that actually scale quite a large amount and a variety of face types that aren't rather samey so we can have both, I'd be more than happy with that. What are the chances of that happening though?

Also, Yoshida can care about his fans without appealing to their every whim and demand, that's when you get games that are nothing but fanservice junk. The concept art of Viera doesn't really matter, we all know how different the actual thing can look to concepts. Take the Au Ra concept art, this is what I consider to be "fierce" and would have been a nice change from what we currently have:

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...5-22_29_38.jpghttp://41.media.tumblr.com/1f009a4ff...azlo4_1280.png

You can see where they changed it to look more human, but even then they were much more original than what we have now.

http://i.imgur.com/e3NWLNK.jpg

Personally I'd rather see a dragon race, we have the Au Ra but Yoshida hinted at those being more succubus like, so the option for a dragon-like race is still open, and would make far more sense lorewise than Viera would.

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/umadori07...f/cfe35148.jpg

What part of "they just added a fierce" race did you not understand? It was their choice to make female auras fierce. Races shouldn't be decided on whether they're cute or fierce. Races should be added based on fan demand. They're the ones that are going to play the game. Viera clearly won the race poll. They even acknowledged it based on the fact that they spent time designing them for FFXIV and showing the concepts.

I want a sexy Viera like Fran :)

I would love to see some make version of the Viera, hot bunny men!

I would want Viera to be an option in FFXIV. Mainly because I want the "a little bit beastly"-flavor that Au Ra and Miqo'te have without being really short and youngish (I've been both Au Ra and Miqo'te, but it felt sort of silly in some of the cut-scenes, and not in the intended cute-comedic effect you get with Lalafells) or get a stiff hook-shaped tail when on a mount. I would probably have settled for Elezen, but I disliked how lanky and unbalanced they looked, and Roegadyn isn't really what I'm looking for. Hence why I'm a Hyur, but to be honest, I find it a bit boring to play human in a fantasy game.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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Uh, okay I don't get what "Humans look like humans" means in the context of anything of what I said. I pointed out that the Viera look massively similar to the Elezen, much akin to how the girl Au Ra look massively close to the Miqo'te and Midlanders and that's a problem. It's not impossible to make a race with a unique body and still remain humanoid, the male Roegadyn are good evidence of this.

Okay..? How is what she's saying going to sway me and what point are you trying to make? I mean, shoot do I need to wander around taking screenshots of the beastmen in Limsa and those friendly to Eorzea to show you it's not in such a major conflict?

You're right I didn't play FFXII, I did play Revenant Wings half way though! From what I've read it's got drab characters, a boring story to boot, and the only race in the game I care about are the Bangaa and they don't even bother giving you a permanent Bangaa party member.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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You can have a vaguely cutesy boy Au Ra (Though they're much more wild and cute). girl Au Ra aren't fierce in the least. Au Ra were a weird hybrid of a demon race and a dragon race where the girls were then sweetened up massively to appeal to the "I want cute/sexy women!" crowd.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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Insunitating that Colorful is in elementary school is a bit rude don't you think?

The concepts of what is cute and fierce is pretty solid, even between what Japan considers cute and fierce and what the US considers cute and fierce. Either way, the dudes look much more fierce while the girls still look plenty elegant/cute (Just like the girl Au Ra lol). The poll's results shouldn't matter as the poll was flawed and Yoshida already acknowledged that by saying "Like the Viera" tilted the results and gave way to obsessive 12 fans. But hey, I'd be fine having Viera cause a lot of people like it, but only if it meant we got a race that appealed to me too. Give us an actually fierce and strong looking (preferably reptilian) race and I'm sure plenty of people would be fine with Viera 2.0 being added.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

What part of "they just added a fierce" race did you not understand? It was their choice to make female auras fierce. Races shouldn't be decided on whether they're cute or fierce. Races should be added based on fan demand. They're the ones that are going to play the game. Viera clearly won the race poll. They even acknowledged it based on the fact that they spent time designing them for FFXIV and showing the concepts.

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It's quite clear that they didn't end up with making girl Au Ra to be fierce. Look at the concept art, look at what we have now. There's even statements about how they made the girl Au Ra way cuter to already meet the Miqo'te/Midlander appeal. Lots of people demand lots of things for this game, copying the looks of 11's races was something a lot of players seemed to get annoyed by, why would copying a race from 12 be any different? Besides, we're all paying customers here and my green is the same as your green, so were are the races to appeal to us? I really doubt it takes much time to churn out two pages of concept art for a race that already existed.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

So you wouldn't mind cutey boy Viera and fierce female Viera?

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Shame something like that couldn't ever happen. I'm sure if Viera were added they'd be either sexed up or cute as heck given that's basically how they look in the games they're in.

This is not all about you, this is about the fans. They already made the fierce race, it's called auras. The decision to make the female cute was their choice. If you don't like it go play male aura.
Your problem is with biology not with square enix. Fierce females (whatever that means) is as much of a percent in our human population as female body builders are, almost non-existent.

You're an extremist, when you say highlander hyur females are not fierce enough, that clearly shows how far to the extreme you want to take your personal agenda.
I challenge you, go make a fierce female request thread and let's see how much support it gets. If you're so proud and think that's what the fans want go ahead and make one. I'll be happy for you if that's what people want.


Manipulating this thread and turning it into a request for your obscure want of "fierce females" is what has many reading all of this distanced. Everything about viera and XII makes perfect sense. What I find obscure is your need for a "fierce" race when they just added aura. Take your extreme definition of fierce somewhere else. If what you want is to actually play a dragon I suggest you play something else
http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/...pspvpz6xwc.png

Viera race already have 2 subgroups Rava and Veena, like all the races of Eorzea so they would fit perfectly, pls SE for 4.0 give us viera

Rava
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20080302054606

Veena
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100506192346

not sure if this is a cannon for the subgroups but ff wiki says there are those 2 groups

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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I agree with all of the things you wrote here. Reading through his posts is getting more and more ridiculous by the day. He basically doesn't want this race to be added to the game because he thinks that the entire game revolves solely around him and SE shouldn't implement them just because of that particular reason.

I challenged him to make his own thread, I told him that I would support him even. He replies back to me, telling me that he doubts that I would support him. I find this very funny because he acts as if he knows me lol.

Anyways, I gave you a +1, love all of your comments/arguments so far. Thank you for the support :)

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Originally Posted by Soralis

Viera race already have 2 subgroups Rava and Veena, like all the races of Eorzea so they would fit perfectly, pls SE for 4.0 give us viera

Rava
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20080302054606

Veena
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100506192346

not sure if this is a cannon for the subgroups but ff wiki says there are those 2 groups

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There's also the third group, Feol, who is lighter-skinned, blonde, and shorter eared.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120703194902

Personally, I would prefer the FFXIV team to make a new race, rather than copy and paste a race from another game (as it would just make them appear lazy to me). Currently, they've only made the Au Ra, female Highlander (but with eyebrows), female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te (the original 1.0 races were designed by Tanaka's team and were mostly a copy paste from FFXI, but altered to be mostly human). I also do not play this game for the cute things.

Beastmen glamour would be neat.

Rava: Highlander face, Elezen body. Rabbit ears. Different feet
Veena: (female) Roegadyn face, Elezen body. Rabbit ears. Different feet.
Feol: Midlander face, (since it's drawn) Midlander body. Short rabbit ears. Different feet.

oh thx mimilu for the info about the 3rd subgroup, they look amazing, i just googled them, really cool background

I just want to know, where on Hydalen is the continent of Ivalice?

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Originally Posted by Dree-Elle

I just want to know, where on Hydalen is the continent of Ivalice?

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Where ever SE wants it. :D

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Originally Posted by Dree-Elle

I just want to know, where on Hydalen is the continent of Ivalice?

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Nowhere. Ivalice has been confirmed to not be on Hydaelyn. Likewise with Vana'diel.

viera existed long before mi'quote
people don't want them because they're ' cute ' .
people want them because they appear in other ff titles.

there's plenty of references of this nature in the game already.
i don't see what the big deal is

fran isn't the only notable viera from ff lore, but she's the most recognized.
we wouldn't ( and shouldn't ) be forced to look like fran if they're ever added.

why do people who play other mmos expect this one to magically bend to the will
of every other mmo out there anyway? final fantasy has a fanbase that was here
before it became the next big mmo.

it's sort of wild to watch people outside of that always freak out about stuff just because
they're so thirsty for their WoW, league, wildstar, or skyrim experiences

if you want that, then just play that

i don't disagree that it would be nice if there was some diversity
maybe even some more dynamic gender options

if we're going to attack dimorphism, we might as well go full force.

I just don't want them because they're brining nothing new aside from weird feet (you can already purchase rabbit ears and claws from the Gold Saucer) :T

i can respect your opinion, but i do not agree.

a lot of people have brought up the gold saucer ears
but even if i got those, i would not be a viera
i'd be a lalafell with bunny ears

it's great that people can be dismissive about it but, there is lore
behind viera, and it would be nice if people could respect that.

and yes, maybe they'd be a little pretty, like they are in FFXII, but they were also known for being warriors,
which was one of my favorite aspects about them, besides their ability to communicate
with the forest ( er, jungle )

the dev team doesn't have to reinvent the wheel just because some people are having mmo fatigue. they just added dragon people / hyurs with scales on their faces + i've had friends say that they couldn't get into the game because they didn't like the medieval vibes, but i don't hear anyone decrying ab how unoriginal any of that is, because it's what's always been popular in the genre as a whole ; dragons, old english or a derivative, political/military influences, sexual dimorphism-the gang's all here.

if you're going to make an argument about things being the ' same ' then don't be hypocritical about it.
it's incredibly transparent. :(

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Originally Posted by Giruvegan

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There is lore behind Viera in other games, Ivalice is not even located in the same universe as Eorzea, let alone the same planet. They have people on hand to write lore for FFXIV, pre existing lore from another game would likely be changed entirely.

@Ghastly, no, the developers shouldn't listen to every whim the player's ask for because it's extremely fragmented. There is no one side to the argument on here (see: housing demolition and horizontal gear progression), they should be calling the shots. Besides, if they did we'd see nothing but playable children of each of the races for each expansion pack. You also seem to be quite aggressive when discussing bunny people, I suggest you cool down a little... I'm not about to grab a knife, jump into FFXII somehow, and butcher the Viera. This forum is for discussion and for both sides of the argument, if you're looking for a circlejerk look elsewhere, developers need to see both sides to the coin.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

There is lore behind Viera in other games, Ivalice is not even located in the same universe as Eorzea, let alone the same planet. They have people on hand to write lore for FFXIV, pre existing lore from another game would likely be changed entirely.

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they literally just put uretan-yensa in 3.0 and gave them a different name but you want to pretend like the writers fitting in viera would be impossible or a terrible imposition? lmao, c'mon man.
stop this.

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Originally Posted by Giruvegan

nowhere anywhere did i say that that other people couldn't have opinions.
what i did do is bring up the hypocrisy of these opinions.
you seem pretty intent on having a circle jerk with yourself.
i'm not into internet arguments because it's not 2001 anymore.
you don't have to like my tone. i'm not here for you.

& i didn't come here to say what i'm saying to offend you or anyone else.
get over yourself.

maybe instead of pretending to be offended by some imaginary insults you could actually add some discussion to the thread.
it looks like you attempted it, but you were hoping that i'd get angry first. what? so i could look ' irrational ' and ' angry '
when i replied?

so very transparent.

don't try to detract anything i'm saying if you can't follow my train of thought.

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I... was replying to Ghastly, not you.

Edited my post to make it more obvious, I thought it would have been obvious with the @Ghastly but I suppose not.

oman, i am so srry.
i should probably go to sleep
i completely missed it : s

i edited and replied tho.

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Originally Posted by Giruvegan

they literally just put uretan-yensa in 3.0 and gave them a different name but you want to pretend like the writers fitting in viera would be impossible or a terrible imposition? lmao, c'mon man.
stop this.

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Sort of. Urutan-Yensa and Gnath certainly are very similar, however the Gnath were designed to look more like insects, whereas the Urutan-Yensa are more humanoid in appearance.

http://i.imgur.com/hQT2zNy.jpg
It's the hat they wear and their five fingers.

http://i.imgur.com/e1Qf1XP.png

Goblins, Qiqirn and Mamool Ja (amongst other monsters) were copy and pasted from FFXI, though. However I think those were put into FFXIV back in the 1.0 days.

Well, Ivalice doesn't need to be in Hydaelyn for their fauna to crossover, apparently...

http://i.imgur.com/LFv8M2a.png

I remember recognizing more designs (yes, I know that Mandragora and friends are a staple in Final Fantasies, but I just thought to point them out as well) when I first started playing XIV (some from Ivalice, some from other Final Fantasies).

With Dissidia, Fabula Nova Crystalis and others implying that there is cross-seeding of worlds (it is hinted that the universe of Final Fantasy VII is the future of Final Fantasy X, for example), you hardly need a reason for similar things to appear in Hydaelyn.

Ivalician Moogles would be a more fun choice.

if ivalician moogles were a char creation option i would pick them instantly, yes u could say just go with lalafel as some of u seem to tell people here to go with elezen when they actually want a viera

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Are you talking about yoshida? The producer who wants every player to clear every instance because the game is made for all? The same person who goes out of his way to include bosses/beasts straight from FFXII and uses terms like sky pirates in his lore, made his art team draw viera concepts, and created an instance in uldah asking fans to share with him ideas because he wants us to be a part of it? Maybe you want us to go back to 1.0 where every decision revolved around not having a female roegady, not having a male miqo'te and bad decisions all around.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Maybe you want us to go back to 1.0 where every decision revolved around not having a female roegady, not having a male miqo'te and bad decisions all around.

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The sad truth is that the majority of the people who play FFXIV would not notice or care about the disappearance of female Roegadyn and that the lack of male Miqo'te would not change or hinder anyone from the playing the race, since the race itself was designed with a certain demographic in mind.

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That's a thing that bothered me. The second Sky Pirates was mentioned (as a quest name), people automatically assumed Balthier and Fran would appear in Void Ark. Also, multiple race concept arts were drawn, not just the Viera. There was the wolfman, as well as this.

http://i.imgur.com/4pdmz7A.jpg

Does this mean we'll be getting those in 4.0 as well? Because they were drawn?

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your defense is to split hairs, state the obvious, & toss out some generalities? it's pretty clear that the design was influenced by them. even if their obvious ' crab person ' appearance doesn't refresh a memory, their clothing and <click>ing are dead giveaways.

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(other monsters) were copy and pasted from FFXI, though[....]back in the 1.0 days.

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there are bestiary easter eggs from different numbered ff's all over eorzea. it's almost like something a franchise would do. or something. i'm glad another beta kid got to tell everyone they've been playing since beta, even though no one asked.

that doesn't get old at all. :rolleyes:

if i sound snippy now, it's b/c the people that are arguing against this don't seem to have any real counters. these same people love to pull rank and sound like an authority, but, for once, i truly know what i'm talking ab and i'm getting a bit insulted by these flimsy comebacks.

Point I was making is "since it's drawn, then it must be a 4.0 race!" (basically, pedantic) I already posted a link waaaay back on the first page where Yoshi-P talks about the Viera and then calling them Miqo'te with longer ears.

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A couple months ago, you showed off the new race, the Au Ra… but you also showed concept art of the Viera, who appeared in Final fantasy XII and other games. Why did you decide against their inclusion as a playable race?

The issue with the Viera is that, if you look at them, they're basically humanoid save for their long rabbit ears and their heels. We already have a mostly humanoid race with animal ears in the Mi'qote. When we looked at those initial Viera concepts, it just seemed like a Mi'qote with bunny ears instead of cat ears. It simply wasn't different enough. Especially when we did the male designs… they didn't look beastly enough, they were just a little too cute. We wanted to make something that was original to the Final Fantasy series, and to do that, we decided to step away from the Viera.

I was actually strongly against showing the Viera concept art at the event we unveiled the Au Ra at. I knew that people would be like “why didn't you include them?!” [laughs] We feel we have a good thing with the Au Ra, though. If you don't like them, though, let us know and we'll take it into consideration with the next race we bring in.

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What does the last sentence say?

Giruvegan called you out just now for nitpicking on something you have no argument against. Some would argue that what made roegadyn and miqo'te special was that they only had one gender. Should we go back to those days? Yoshida contradicts himself heavily when he decided to make female aura into more of a hyur.

What yoshida is bringing up is an excuse, not a reason. He wanted dragon/reptiles and it was the second most requested race type in that race poll. Your argument has no basis, it's an excuse (proven by what they did to female aura).
This thread is about the viera and they have the highest chance of any race possibility. You can't argue against this. If you have another preference let them know in another thread. Discussing the viera more you're giving us more exposure though. And more points as to why they should be included.

Did you know that FF has started a trend of racial types which became mainstays? Hyur, Hume, Mithra, Miqote, now Viera who are used in multiple games such as FF Tactics.

Back to the last sentence that Yoshida said. We, the viera fans are not happy that you ignored the majority of your fanbase. We want them as the next race.