Chocobo dyeing R&D Thread - Post your results here!

Wow! These Chocobos look awesome!

Lol. Now I don't know what color I want anymore!

Thanks for posting pictures guys. I'd love to see more.

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Originally Posted by MikuHatsune

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...275c775485.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rorichan

What did you feed him?!?

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Live hyurs probably... That thing looks menacing.

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Originally Posted by MikuHatsune

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...275c775485.jpg

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Originally Posted by Damifino

2) Feeding them beyond the "starts to grow new feathers" announcement either has absolutely NO effect, or is capped at some point. we will know in a few hours as one of our guys has fed the pineapples and stopped at the first "new feathers" announcement.

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Iff hummer comes back with a result from his 80 berry binge we'll truly know if there's some sort of cap or not. So far from what's posted, feeding 20 berries nets a raptor blue, 30 berries+ 10 pears nets an othard blue. So the 'new feathers' being a cap may not be true, since this probably goes beyond that. But if it is then these amounts could of been halfed for the same effect.

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Originally Posted by Damifino

OK, above somewhere is a post with a screenshot of 3 birds ... the one on the left is mine, and it's honey yellow ... this tells us TWO things:

1) Only one food is affecting the bird (Mine was only fed pineapples)
2) Feeding them beyond the "starts to grow new feathers" announcement either has absolutely NO effect, or is capped at some point. we will know in a few hours as one of our guys has fed the pineapples and stopped at the first "new feathers" announcement.

The question then remains, did you feed pineapples first or last (actually a moot question, the pineapples were the only thing that affected your bird)

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cant really remember which ones i stuffed first, might've been pines or plums.

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Originally Posted by Damifino

OK, above somewhere is a post with a screenshot of 3 birds ... the one on the left is mine, and it's honey yellow ... this tells us TWO things:

1) Only one food is affecting the bird (Mine was only fed pineapples)
2) Feeding them beyond the "starts to grow new feathers" announcement either has absolutely NO effect, or is capped at some point. we will know in a few hours as one of our guys has fed the pineapples and stopped at the first "new feathers" announcement.

The question then remains, did you feed pineapples first or last (actually a moot question, the pineapples were the only thing that affected your bird)

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The real question is how many successive "starts to grow new feathers" announcements did you receive? It might be that "starts to grow new feathers" is what triggers the color change. Based on this, it might be an RNG-based system.

Got exactly what I wanted first try, a Slate Grey choco ^.^

http://i.imgur.com/jqQV9cU.jpg

Not sharing what I did to get it though :P

Jkjk, I fed 21 O'ghomo berries (darken blue), 7 Xelpatol Apples (darken red), and 7 mamook green things (darken green). Only a couple darker shades of grey/black available, I'd assume adding a couple more of each would give you charcoal grey, then a couple more of each on top of that for soot black?
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Originally Posted by ZReport

The real question is how many successive "starts to grow new feathers" announcements did you receive? It might be that "starts to grow new feathers" is what triggers the color change. Based on this, it might be an RNG-based system.

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Well, if the guy in our FC comes up honey yellow after stopping at the FIRST "new feathers" then it won't really matter how many I saw, but I'm pretty certain is was the 3rd feeding out of 10.

1 Pear
25 Apples
2 Plums
10 Pineapples
13 Valfruit

= Pumpkin Orange.
http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...05f9623f97.jpg

http://imgur.com/rZOgMiF

salmon pink, fed 4x valfruit, 3x doman, 8x o'ghomoro, and 3x cieldalaes pineapple

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Originally Posted by Chaud

Got exactly what I wanted first try, a Slate Grey choco ^.^

http://i.imgur.com/jqQV9cU.jpg

Not sharing what I did to get it though :P

Jkjk, I fed 21 O'ghomo berries (darken blue), 7 Xelpatol Apples (darken red), and 7 mamook green things (darken green). Only a couple darker shades of grey/black available, I'd assume adding a couple more of each would give you charcoal grey, then a couple more of each on top of that for soot black?
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As we are now learning, your bird was probably only affected by ONE food, the question is, which one, and how many? And the terminology is "deepen" not darken. Still not certain exactly what that means.... that's why we're posting here.

I'm all for single food experimentation and stopping at the "new feathers" announcement, so we can know the real deal here.

So, after wanting to end my life after my berries not taking any effect, I decided to try out the 6 hour window and see what I could do.

I fed an initial 3 berries and waited 3 hours (I took a nap) and now I fed him 27 more berries and 10 pears to get Orthard Blue (fingers crossed).

If the color is correct after this, that means that you can effectively add more fruit any time in the 6 hours window and still get the intended result, however, I failed to try and alter the ordering of the final fruit to see if it had any effect.

Fc mate made got ash grey
6 or 7 darken blue, 3 lighten red, 3 lighten green, 6 darken green

http://imgur.com/68THsmL

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Originally Posted by Chaud

Got exactly what I wanted first try, a Slate Grey choco ^.^

http://i.imgur.com/jqQV9cU.jpg

Not sharing what I did to get it though :P



Jkjk, I fed 21 O'ghomo berries (darken blue), 7 Xelpatol Apples (darken red), and 7 mamook green things (darken green). Only a couple darker shades of grey/black available, I'd assume adding a couple more of each would give you charcoal grey, then a couple more of each on top of that for soot black?
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Nice. I did the same, but did 30/15/15 So I will see if I get a darker one.

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps346f641f.png

For those curious. Just to reiterate, I did 10 of each 'lighten'

I'm going for white. So, I've decided to feed it Blues until it gets the 'Begin to grow new feathers!' message. Let's see what happens. I had to give it 4.

[16:23]Sage devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
[16:23]Sage's plumage will change in 6 hours.
[16:23]Sage devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
[16:24]Sage devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
[16:24]Sage devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
[16:24]Sage is beginning to grow new feathers!
[16:24]Sage's plumage will change in 5 hours and 59 minutes.

Doubtful. Seems pretty clear that multiple fruits are causing large differences (look at 2 apples versus three apples and some berries) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...view?sle=true#

However some fruits are from opposite ends of the spectrum. If you use a fruit that increases blue and another that lightens it you're not going to see much of a change, if any. Plums and Pineapples for example probably won't result in much blue growth if eaten at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Damifino

As we are now learning, your bird was probably only affected by ONE food, the question is, which one, and how many?

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Eh, I'm gonna have to express my Disagreeance with that idea. I read the posts you're referring to, but prior to that I read that for example Darkening blue adds a small amount of blue and reduces a decent amount of red and green, Lightening blue might reduce a small amount of blue and add red and green. I feel like that lines up better with all the different colors we are seeing after a single session, because this idea supports what we are experiencing with people getting the same results with different combinations.

Either way, I certainly don't feel we're at the point where "probably" is applicable towards the idea of being affected by a single food.

So, based on what has been discovered so far if I put a lot of the "lighten" feed into my chocobo it would result in a Snow White plumage?

I'm shocked we haven't seen more people trying to math this out and posting results on the forums. I'm using values posted into the google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...view?sle=true# without having attempted this at all myself. I wish I knew more about this system (IE how many fruits until it says new feathers are growing) and what order which fruit were given to result in that



We can math this out by representing our colour variables as RGB OR CKMY. Since the Google doc displayed values in RGB, I picked those for my variables.

216R + 175G + 80B = Desert Yellow //Let's represent Various Colours Algebraically
180R + 158G + 130B = Gobbiebag Brown
193R + 109G + 31B = Pumpkin Orange
178R + 85G + 39B = Sunset Orange

Now, let's assign variables to the Fruit, and speculate on their effects
xenophus (X) = ?R
Doman (D) = -?R
Mamook (M) = ?G
Valfruit = -?G
O'ghomoro (O) = ?B
Cieldales (C) = -?B

Now, Take colour changes where only 1 Fruit was used, and isolate the effects of the Fruit.
Desert Yellow + O'Ghomoro Berry x11 = Gobbiebag Brown
216R + 175G + 80B + 11O = 180R + 158G + 130B
36R + 17G + (-50)B + 11O = 0
-11O = 36R + 17G - 50B
11O = 50B - 36R - 17G
O = 4.5B - 3.3R - 1.5G


Desert Yellow + Xelphatol Apple x11 = Pumpkin Orange
216R + 175G + 80B + 11X = 193R + 109G + 31B
23R + 66G + 49B + 11X = 0
-11X = 23R + 66G + 49B
X = -2R -6G -4.5B

Now take these Values, and see if they successfully create another known colour.
Desert Yellow + Xelphatol Apple x22 + O'Ghomoro Berry x3 = Sunset Orange
216R + 175G + 80B + 22X + 3O = 178R + 85G + 39B
216R + 175G + 80B + 22(-2R -6G -4.5B) + 3(4.5B - 3.3R - 1.5G) = 178R + 85G + 39B
216R + 175G + 80B - 44R - 132G - 99B - 9.9R - 4.5G + 13.5B = 178R + 85G + 39B
216R - 44R - 9.9R + 175G - 132G - 4.5G + 80B - 99B + 13.5B = 178R + 85G + 39B
162.1R + 38.5G -5.5B != 178R + 85G + 39B

So, while unsuccessful, I've learned a few things. Either I'm representing the Variables wrong by speculating with RGB, I did my Math wrong, OR, prior conclusions about feeding no longer working after it indicates new feathers are growing is correct. Also, if people are lying about their submissions, all of this data is grossly incorrect.

Another possibility however, is that where I am strictly using addition/subtraction, each fruit could be a multiplicative factor. IE, 1 X = R * 0.95.

Ran out of time, got to go. Hopefully this encourages more math to help us find good answers.

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Originally Posted by FadingMoon

Fc made got ash grey
6 or 7 darken blue, 3 lighten red, 3 lighten green, 6 darken green

http://imgur.com/68THsmL

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I wanted blue, but I suppose this is good for science.

I also got Ash Grey but with very different feeds: 12 berries > 10 pineapples > 6 berries (18 berries total).

I got "grows new feathers" everytime after the first 3 berries feed.

http://i.imgur.com/F8ef4Cv.png

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Originally Posted by Hulan

Basically if you look at the RGB value as three numbers like so: [R, G, B], the current theory is that the effects actually work like this:

LIGHTEN BLUE: [=, =, +B]
DEEPEN BLUE : [-R, -G, =]

LIGHTEN RED: [+R, =, =]
DEEPEN RED : [=, -G, -B]

LIGHTEN GREEN: [=, +G, =]
DEEPEN GREEN : [-R, =, -B]

Thus, to bring out blue, you have to use both the Lighten and Deepen fruits.

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This theory seems to make the most sense so far given results people have been getting.

I have fed 22 berries (deepen blue) and 7 pears (deepen green)... based on the RGB values for the default Desert Yellow and this, I suspect I'll end up with a shade of blue.

Results in ~ 2 hrs. I will post when I see it.


Based on this, people going for the coveted black and white chocobos should spam 2 of the dark fruits (deepening) for black and all 3 light fruits (lightening) for white (mainly blue and green, only a little of the red).

If my math is correct, for Blood Red the color scheme is 139, 52, 34. Thats a deviation from the base color of -77, -123, -46. It just so happens that 77+46 = 123
DEEPEN BLUE : [-R, -G, =], DEEPEN RED : [=, -G, -B]

So assuming a 6 point shift for each snack, that should take 7 deepen red, 13 deepen blue.

Please correct me if I am misremembering something from earlier in the thread, I will try to test this tonight and will have results tomorow.

I just wanna say this thread is so much fun! I've just stayed on it all day and kept clicking refresh. XD

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Originally Posted by KilgoreT

Nice. I did the same, but did 30/15/15 So I will see if I get a darker one.

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same, i did 25/10/10. Will post results here in 2½h

Put my bird in for another 6 hours w/5 Apples, not touching this time until the timer is up :), I got the message about growing new feathers on the first feed.

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Originally Posted by Vivillon

I'm actually a little torn, but I think I am going to mess with it to try and get Celeste Green.

I'm going to guess that I need to lighten red one more, darken green one more, and darken blue a few more times. Time to grow the fruit and test it!

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Well, if the RGB values I'm looking at are correct, the only real difference between Apple Green and Celest Green is that Celest Green has a ton more Blue. To raise just the value of blue, I think you want to lighten green, lighten red, and darken blue. I would do like, 4 of each and see what happens?

Also, remember that someone got Celest Green by doing 28 lighten reds and nothing else. That pushed up the value of blue a ton (because it was very low), the green some (because it was already really high), and lowered the red a bit.

5 Valfruit (lighten green) gave Salmon Pink

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ps67214f2d.jpg

Desert Yellow + 5 Valfruit (New Feathers message) = Salmon Pink
Salmon Pink + 2 Valfruit (New Feathers message) = ? (waiting)

Did some maths for the two colours created using only O'Ghomaro Berries (Deepen Blue) as it was a good constant from the spreadsheet. And all it does it makes working out the movement a lot harder.

First we have Gobbiebag Brown, created using 11 berries to get a total change of [-36,-17,+50] This means each feed was worth [-3.2, -1.5, 4.5]

Now we know there isn't a cap because the Raptor Blue has been created using 21 Berries for a total of [-132, -55, +108] Making each feed worth [-12, -5, 9.8]

So all of a sudden the food has become worth more as you add more in one go. Does this mean the more you put into one go the higher return you get from it?

Well this is not what I had in mind lol, hopefully when I get more blue fruits to grow, I can get it purple! (Shared the rest of my blues with FC mate). So here is Blood Red, took 14x Valfruit, 14x O'Ghomoro Berries, and 14x Xelphatol Apples in this order. I did 1 of each in a row till 14 had been used.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...e2d002a0eb7837
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...02588582_n.jpg

Some of these results seem very odd. Has anyone tried replicating someone else's feed, but in a different order? I wonder if people are hitting some sort of cap, or there's some randomness involved.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Did some maths for the two colours created using only O'Ghomaro Berries (Deepen Blue) as it was a good constant from the spreadsheet. And all it does it makes working out the movement a lot harder.

First we have Gobbiebag Brown, created using 11 berries to get a total change of [-36,-17,+50] This means each feed was worth [-3.2, -1.5, 4.5]

Now we know there isn't a cap because the Raptor Blue has been created using 21 Berries for a total of [-132, -55, +108] Making each feed worth [-12, -5, 9.8]

So all of a sudden the food has become worth more as you add more in one go. Does this mean the more you put into one go the higher return you get from it?

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I actually did this exact same math and came to the same conclusion. It doesn't add up. I think it might be more basic than adding/subtracting RGB values. I have a feeling that feeding a specific fruit sets you on the specific color scale of the dye that's currently in game. From there, further feeds raises or lowers your color on the same scale. I also have a feeling the color change doesn't take effect until you get a "starts to grow new feathers" message.

I think we also need to consider whether people are taking those color samples from the "examine" window, or standing out in the sun, or in the dark. It's near impossible to determine actual RGB value results when there's not a common lighting arrangement.


One thing is obvious, the examine window looks nothing like the color when the bird is out in the sun, or at night either for that matter. Also, measuring it in the shade of a stables will produce a wholly different picture.

We really need to agree on a common lighting scenario, and preferably one not involving the examine window.

Science is king, yes, but we need controls to determine results.

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Originally Posted by LeonBlade

So, after wanting to end my life after my berries not taking any effect, I decided to try out the 6 hour window and see what I could do.

I fed an initial 3 berries and waited 3 hours (I took a nap) and now I fed him 27 more berries and 10 pears to get Orthard Blue (fingers crossed).

If the color is correct after this, that means that you can effectively add more fruit any time in the 6 hours window and still get the intended result, however, I failed to try and alter the ordering of the final fruit to see if it had any effect.

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Seeing this person's results will tell us a great deal more, I believe.

This thread is awesome! Can anybody tell me if I can feed my chocobo as many fruits as I want at once or do I need to space things out a bit?

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Originally Posted by AmalahRose

This thread is awesome! Can anybody tell me if I can feed my chocobo as many fruits as I want at once or do I need to space things out a bit?

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I fed mine all at once.

Okay I think I figured out how exactly this works based on information from this thread and playing around with RGB and testing with my Guild it can be really confusing but once you figured out how it works it's pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by Damifino

I think we also need to consider whether people are taking those color samples from the "examine" window, or standing out in the sun, or in the dark. It's near impossible to determine actual RGB value results when there's not a common lighting arrangement.


One thing is obvious, the examine window looks nothing like the color when the bird is out in the sun, or at night either for that matter. Also, measuring it in the shade of a stables will produce a wholly different picture.

We really need to agree on a common lighting scenario, and preferably one not involving the examine window.

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I think the colour values were taken from the dye window as opposed to the chocobos themselves, this gives you a fairer idea of the RGB values of that colour as it is unaffected by light or shadow.

I am trying to try for ceruleam blue
72 red, 80 green, 95 blue is ceruleam blue
-216 red, 175 green, 80 blue is original color
which equals
-144 red, -95 green, 15 blue

I will be using 24 deepen blue, 8 lighten green, and 3 lighten blue
that should give me -144 red, -96 green, and + 18 blue, if they do have a value of 6 each
so i'll see how it goes
though I currently have seeds in my garden so cannot these until they are picked

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Originally Posted by Rorichan

What did you feed him?!?

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

Well this is not what I had in mind lol, hopefully when I get more blue fruits to grow, I can get it purple! (Shared the rest of my blues with FC mate). So here is Blood Red, took 14x Valfruit, 14x O'Ghomoro Berries, and 14x Xelphatol Apples in this order. I did 1 of each in a row till 14 had been used.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...e2d002a0eb7837
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...02588582_n.jpg

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Here is how I got it.

Anyone got Rose Pink yet?

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Originally Posted by Damifino

I think we also need to consider whether people are taking those color samples from the "examine" window, or standing out in the sun, or in the dark. It's near impossible to determine actual RGB value results when there's not a common lighting arrangement.


One thing is obvious, the examine window looks nothing like the color when the bird is out in the sun, or at night either for that matter. Also, measuring it in the shade of a stables will produce a wholly different picture.

We really need to agree on a common lighting scenario, and preferably one not involving the examine window.

Science is king, yes, but we need controls to determine results.

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Replying to my own goop here .... but OK ... following along with this, I suggest the South Thanalan desert in the sun.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Did some maths for the two colours created using only O'Ghomaro Berries (Deepen Blue) as it was a good constant from the spreadsheet. And all it does it makes working out the movement a lot harder.

First we have Gobbiebag Brown, created using 11 berries to get a total change of [-36,-17,+50] This means each feed was worth [-3.2, -1.5, 4.5]

Now we know there isn't a cap because the Raptor Blue has been created using 21 Berries for a total of [-132, -55, +108] Making each feed worth [-12, -5, 9.8]

So all of a sudden the food has become worth more as you add more in one go. Does this mean the more you put into one go the higher return you get from it?

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8 Berries resulted in the gobbiebag brown color. I originally posted it, and has miscounted what I had left in my inventory. I updated my post not a minute later, but apparently it never got corrected.