!! Fix Healer Rescue

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I absolutely want Rescue to stay and think unique abilities should be encouraged, but I agree with this. "Use arms length" is the worst argument I've ever seen to justify Rescue remaining in the game. Even more hilarious are the arguments that you can just split second predict a Rescue and kb immune it. I don't think people realize nonsense like that would encourage any Dev reading this to simply laugh and remove Rescue immediately.

Rescue should stay because it's a unique ability that encourages raid awareness and thinking outside the box for creative uses. It can legitimately save a player used well. The situations where it has been used maliciously (outside of statics for fun) are so rare many players never even encounter it and mistaken uses are hardly a big deal, mistakes happen that kill people all the time regardless of Rescue. The only thing I'd change is making it more instant when used, the animation delay makes it hard to use it as a quick reaction save.

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I do agree that healers should have something like rescue since it's a unique skill that healers with good awareness can make use of, but I also think that they should change how rescue works considering its trolling potential and general disruptiveness. The worst part about rescue in its current state is that it basically denies the target any control over their character's positioning, and makes them go where the healer wants them to go, and sometimes that's into a deadly aoe that they wouldn't be in if the healer just didn't use the skill

I would rather they changed rescue to a short buff, say 6 seconds, where if the targeted character takes fatal damage with the buff up, it automatically "rescues" them by resurrecting them on the spot with no weakness but they lose all their gauge.

At least, I prefer that over being passive aggressively rescued because the healer doesn't like my pull speed, or that they don't understand melee uptime, or the fact that I use proximity markers to pop TBN.

The chance of me making a butter finger mistake and pulling the tank towards me by mistake is just to damn high.
So, I do not even have it out on my hot-bar .
The tank should know where to be and the DD ... *shrug* .

Speaking of movement abilities hampering other people's DPS, they should remove RDM and DRG jumpbacks because the people who fall off the edge cut into my broil casts.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

My statement acknowledges that enemies have draw in effects as well. I never said they don't have them.

I understand what you're saying, and I get why it is frustrating. My point is that this does not warrant deleting the skill, or placing a toggle on it. The only thing obvious about your immunity is that it prevents exactly what it says it does. What is obvious to me is that you're making a bigger deal out of this than needs to be, and I provided an option that would assist you. Instead of seeing it as a viable option, you dismiss it and proceed to chastise the game's healers and saying they are of low IQ when all they are doing is trying to keep you from dying. At the bare minimum it shows they are paying attention to not only the mechanics, but also their party member's positions. This is not easy to do, and all you can exhibit is a massive amount of unappreciation because your uptime is clearly more important than anything else.

No one is forcing you to do anything. If you want to be dismissive, then I will return in kind and say if you don't want to be rescued, then don't give the healers a reason to rescue you.

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All I'm really saying in response to you is that Arm's Length isn't a good solution to this. I've always been in favor of making Rescue into a toggle; that way everyone gets what they want out of the situation. Too many Healers seem to dismiss this option, though, because apparently yanking people around is their birthright and no one should be allowed to say no. So, fine, if you know where I should be standing so much better than I do then you'd better not screw up.

An ability that's as absurdly intrusive as Rescue should only be used on people who want it. There's a reason this topic keeps coming up; people DON'T LIKE being forcibly repositioned by other players.

Please no, I've been saved many times when I didn't position properly while doing a new normal raid or an alliance roulette I'm unfamiliar with, I use it when I heal with varying degrees of success, sometimes I save people from the last CT boss, sometimes I'm too late, sometimes I misclick and immediately aplogize, the responses are always positive, I don't remember many times where it became game-hindering if any at all.

In frontlines, it is too valuable to be deleted, overall I think the benefits vastly outweight the misuses, if someone is clearly abusing it they can be reported, if it's a minor misuse with good intentions then that's just one of many ways players make minor mistakes in the game

If I may, "But what about Statics who use it properly!" Statics have communication. Random PUGs don't.

TL : DR As someone who's been on all aspects of the Rescue fight, I don't think we need a toggle or to get rid of the skill, but the skill does need some workarounds. Some ideas for this: Adding a small minimal cast time - something as fast as Esuna (0.94 seconds) or faster. Just SOMETHING to make it more valuable to healers and less valuable and fun for trolls who like to use their instant casts to be well...trolls.

I've been with healers that make this an AMAZINGLY wonderful skill to have used on you when you are legit being dumb or lagging or need it to be used on you because you won't make it out of a massive mechanic and you're just 2 seconds from death... Healers that used it to drag me forward into the Boss area because someone pulled early and I was about to get warped to A in the Crystal Tower Atmos fights or the others where we're broken up and someone's Impatient so that way I stay with my Alliance Group. I've also had it drag me off nearly falling off the edge countless times in Bismark because I lagged just a little too much and almost walked off the edge. <--- All of these... were about 95% static groups.

I have also been on the 'hurry and pull more' spectrum on a low level tank that wasn't geared to do a double pull or purposely targeted and pulled into the lava by a trolly Healer, or dragged off the edge in titan for S&G because "it's just old content no need to take it so seriously." OR MY FAVORITE, Being dragged along after you were left behind to clean up because the healer was in such a rush, during a metered pull by the game, because you literally just finished the animation of being bounced to the next platform in the Twinning, but you're still actually moving and getting ready to pull. OR HAVING MORE than enough time to run myself with sprint to the safe spot, or because my healer panicked and didn't realize I popped my mitigations and could take the AoE I was standing in... (Plz trust your tanks!) <--- All of these were 100% Random encounters.

This makes the timing and use of Rescue FAR different between static groups and random PUGs you get in DF. Most of my bad experiences have happened in groups with Randoms in it where they absolutely refused to communicate.

Here's a few of my idea: Add an actual cast time to it. Not instant. Will it put a damper on quick rescues? Sure. And we're not talking a LENGTHY cast time. Something short perhaps would do well. Maybe half the time it takes to cast Esuna. Esuna is 0.94 seconds. This would give PLENTY of time for a tank to pop Arm's Length to dodge it. Most of Esuna's cast time is literally the animation to cast Esuna. Maybe adding that to Rescue would be great. A small, maybe 0.50 Second cast time so there's some visual cue that Rescue will be cast and a way to kick the latency bug.

Do people regularly pay attention to healer castbars? I don't, that's all I know. I have my doubt someone could pop arms length in half a second, and a troll could still use a swiftcast on it to bypass that entirely.

I have run thousands of instances. I have maybe been inappropriately rescued once or twice. But it didn't make so much of an impression on me that I can remember specifics. Most of the time I don't see the ability being used at all.

From my perspective it seems strange that some people are being rescued so often they feel victimized by the ability.

Is there something that some people are doing, which I am not, that makes other people feel they need special rescue attention?

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Originally Posted by ctcc42

I have run thousands of instances. I have maybe been inappropriately rescued once or twice. But it didn't make so much of an impression on me that I can remember specifics. Most of the time I don't see the ability being used at all.

From my perspective it seems strange that some people are being rescued so often they feel victimized by the ability.

Is there something that some people are doing, which I am not, that makes other people feel they need special rescue attention?

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I'm guessing you always run away from AoE markers, instead of just taking the hit and self healing with Second Wind or Bloodbath so you won't lose any uptime.

For people who enjoy trying to maximize their efficiency Healers can become a pretty annoying obstacle.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I'm guessing you always run away from AoE markers, instead of just taking the hit and self healing with Second Wind or Bloodbath so you won't lose any uptime.

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I do this all the time and I don't even recall it happening once. Either the healers on Crystal don't bother slotting rescue or they recognize a DPS can handle an AoE or two.