FFXIV/WOW cross over event?

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Just because I haven't played Wow doesn't mean I am ignorant to it. This doesn't add anything to Blizzard. PSO2 didA "crossover" with FFXIV which only released in japan is back in 2014. They released some in game content and even a fight based on Urth's fount trial. FFXIV hasn't done any content with a nod or allusion to PSO2.

Making money off BFA, Wow classic and other WoW IPs under the umbrella doesn't relate at all with a crossover where both companies likely require a gain, you yourself used examples like Microsoft with Minecraft and the Sony v Disney Spider-man deal, in which those were wins for both parties.

The fact that every Wow player can play FFXIV due to sharing the same platform BUT not every FFXIV player can play Wow since Wow doesn't exist in PS4 version is a huge caveat for a deal between the two.

Making money off the umbrella DOES relateto thissince that is brand recognition and allows them to try it out without the risk of a ton of money if it fails. Which btw both companies are getting a gain. Blizzard gets the current/returner/new players to experience the XIV content and and SE gets the current/returner/new players to try out the WoW content. You can die on that hill saying PS4 people don't get to experience the same way, but I'm willing to bet everyone who has a PS4 in their house has a PC/Laptop capable of running WoW. I ran it back on my brother's absolutely shitty laptop and was able to hold a solid 30 FPS and this was back in 2008.



I addressed that already; but sure, Let's put it on repeat. FFXIV has a playerbase that doesn't have access to WoW. And said player-base iirc holds a considerable margin percentage and thus, is a market that Blizzard can't profit from with a WoW collaboration.



It's interesting people insist in throwing arguments with game examples that are one-time purchases with a limited number of DLC. Even more so when the game's you're asking to do a crossover live off the same economic model, sub time.

I used SF x MK because how that would be very profitable for BOTH but it hasn't happened and likely never will. They are iconic franchises in gaming history and while Tekken 7 has sold more than SFV, Tekken isn't yet as iconic as the two.

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Yeah, and Yoshi-P said the ONLY reason we didn't get it here is because PSO2 wasn't released here. He was asked by RPGGamer about this in an interview at this E3 and he was just as shocked that the game is coming out since it's being backed mainly by Microsoft. So expect that in the future.

Okay so by your argument the Monster Hunter collab wasn't a gain, because Xbox doesn't get XIV, and heck if you want to go further the event for MHW didn't even come out on PC until December yet came out on PS4/XB1 6 days before XIV got theirs. "But it still came out!", yeah but is it fair?

Also keep in mind the deal for Spiderman's rights AREN'T FAIR. The original deal was fair, but Disney wanted to squeeze more money of it, and pushed their luck which caused Sony to pull out and renegotiate the terms to be better in their favor. The only reason Disney agreed is that it WOULD make them money even if the deal wasn't fair.

Making money off the umbrella DOES relate to this since that is brand recognition and allows them to try it out without the risk of a ton of money if it fails. Which btw both companies are getting a gain. Blizzard gets the current/returner/new players to experience the XIV content and and SE gets the current/returner/new players to try out the WoW content. You can die on that hill saying PS4 people don't get to experience the same way, but I'm willing to bet everyone who has a PS4 in their house has a PC/Laptop capable of running WoW. I ran it back on my brother's absolutely shitty laptop and was able to hold a solid 30 FPS and this was back in 2008. Even if they didn't word of mouth and interest grows if the content is good, which considering how many people started playing Monhun after that collab I'd say is a good judgement on the effect of it.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Just because I haven't played Wow doesn't mean I am ignorant to it. This doesn't add anything to Blizzard. PSO2 didA "crossover" with FFXIV which only released in japan is back in 2014. They released some in game content and even a fight based on Urth's fount trial. FFXIV hasn't done any content with a nod or allusion to PSO2.

Making money off BFA, Wow classic and other WoW IPs under the umbrella doesn't relate at all with a crossover where both companies likely require a gain, you yourself used examples like Microsoft with Minecraft and the Sony v Disney Spider-man deal, in which those were wins for both parties.

The fact that every Wow player can play FFXIV due to sharing the same platform BUT not every FFXIV player can play Wow since Wow doesn't exist in PS4 version is a huge caveat for a deal between the two.




I addressed that already; but sure, Let's put it on repeat. FFXIV has a playerbase that doesn't have access to WoW. And said player-base iirc holds a considerable margin percentage and thus, is a market that Blizzard can't profit from with a WoW collaboration.



It's interesting people insist in throwing arguments with game examples that are one-time purchases with a limited number of DLC. Even more so when the game's you're asking to do a crossover live off the same economic model, sub time.

I used SF x MK because how that would be very profitable for BOTH but it hasn't happened and likely never will. They are iconic franchises in gaming history and while Tekken 7 has sold more than SFV, Tekken isn't yet as iconic as the two.

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To be fair though, Ono and the guy behind Tekken are long time friends and the guy who is behind Tekken made Tekken because he liked Street Fighter. At least one of the reasons anyway, so they were gonna partner up sooner or later. It's not the same with MK and SF. Actually a WoW X FFXIV is likely to happen since both devs respect each other. It'll more like a SFxTekken if it did happen due to both companies relationship with each other.

Never played WoW, but I like the idea of two of the biggest giants in the genre collabing. As far art style jank... Well we passed that point long ago with glamour anyway.

Whether or not its practical from a business standpoint though I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

[FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][SIZE="3"]I don't like WoW (I actually kind of hate it if you want to ues that term) and thus I play this game. And love it. I just don't want to have influences of WoW here.

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Oh boy you are far too late for that one. WoW was (and probably still is) Mr. Yoshidas role model. You can see that FF-XIV basically plays like a carbon copy. In SE's defense: so do most modern MMOs because it's what the majority seems to expect.

Personally, I don't think a crossover event would make much sense.
Both games essentially play the same, there wouldn't be anything new to bring like in the Rathalos encounter.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Oh boy you are far too late for that one. WoW was (and probably still is) Mr. Yoshidas role model. You can see that FF-XIV basically plays like a carbon copy.

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Thankfully it isn't a carbon copy.

No titanforging, no endgame gear raining from open world mobs and bosses, the relic isn't near-mandatory to raid, no facebook mission table tied to the main game, a far better and indepth craft and gathering system, not locked to 1 class and 2 DoH/DoL per character, no 10-20 reskins of the same mount/minion and so on. Those are the things that drove me from WoW and is why I still play ff14.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Thankfully it isn't a carbon copy.

No titanforging, no endgame gear raining from open world mobs and bosses, the relic isn't near-mandatory to raid, no facebook mission table tied to the main game, a far better and indepth craft and gathering system, not locked to 1 class and 2 DoH/DoL per character, no 10-20 reskins of the same mount/minion and so on. Those are the things that drove me from WoW and is why I still play ff14.

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Well lets just say that the FF-XIV team seemed to pay attention to what WoW was doing and avoided a few controversial things. THANK GOD.
I was more referring to the meat of the actual gameplay though than reward structures. My WHM doesn't play that much differently compared to my priestess and savage vs mythic raids mostly feel the same.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Hates on the state of WoW. Plays a game that is literally a clone of WoW.

Checks out.

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literally a clone of WoW

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

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I kinda feel bad for you. If you honestly, truly believe that FF XIV is not a clone of WoW, I don't know what to tell you. This game is literally Wrath of the Lich King era WoW, but with less of a focus on end game and a longer GCD.

If you want to explain that, we can discuss it. If you're just gonna keep that condescending tone, I'm just gonna shrug and walk away. I don't find them to be any more alike than any given pair of MMOs, and WoW wasn't the first, so giving them credit for that is factually incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

I kinda feel bad for you. If you honestly, truly believe that FF XIV is not a clone of WoW, I don't know what to tell you. This game is literally Wrath of the Lich King era WoW, but with less of a focus on end game and a longer GCD.

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It has some WoW influences, sure, but even WoW was influenced by other games that came before and after. So I wouldn't really call FF XIV a carbon copy of anything since even its WoW influences were ideas largely thought up before its existence or even WoW's. WoW is what made the MMORPG genre what it is today though for the most part since they improved upon them, but it is as I said...not all of its features or ideas were unique. MMOs learn from each other and that is how we got here. Lately, however, I feel that WoW could and should be influenced by FF XIV and other games since its currently a lame duck. They stopped listening to people ages ago.