you guys went overboard with this new relic

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

It's a RELIC WEAPON. It should be obtained by completing feats of strength. Slaying epic monsters. Completing an epic quest. Exploring me elands.

Not killing endless a mounts of low level trash

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So that said epic mob if was like so hard like A4S you would be happy to do even knowing that just 1% or less cleared A4S? Or wouldn't those guys in forums cry saying that boss was too hard and demand nerf? Or maybe after 6-12 months that you would be so overgeared and could finally kill it?

There isn't many options to make this kind approach if you want to relic take a while to be completed. Is either grind or a impossible mob to kill that just 1% would imagine to kill with their skills and dedication gating everyone else. But if this was the case you weren't on that 1% what you would do? Cry in forum? Give up on it?

Yeah... seems easy right? -_-

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Originally Posted by Aryalandi

Lol i suppose i am just one of "those people" who views this grind and thinks back to the ffxi days where a single relic was a year+ commitment complete with a 100+ million gil requirement and countless hours of harsh grinding and thinks.. people find ffxiv's grind bothersome...? -grabbyhands- bring the fates!

Yes it is time consuming, there could be a nice quest chain to do instead with a story and such that would be amazing.. but it is also sadly unlikely because square /is/ going to make these a deliberate pain in the backside to get every time.

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yes, but at that time, the weapon earn was the best you can get for age... that not the case there and will not be the case before 2-4 month before the next expansion.

I'm all for stuff that requires effort but i started the quest and have been grinding fates in western coerthas since the servers came up and haven't seen a single luminous crystal yet.
It gets to a point where bad RNG just goes to disheartening and makes you want to not play anymore

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Not a question of being a white knight but his/her points are valid no less. Those who complain there is nothing to do cause they don't want to engage in a myriad of things there are to do isn't the fault of SE per se.

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that's the thing about video games. if you want people to grind it, each individual piece has to be fun.

saying Kirin is something to do is ridiculous, the EX Primal fights is the thing you're doing. Kirin is a reward for doing that thing multiple times.

it is the fault of SE if certain parts of the thing to do is not fun.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

See you all in Alex NM.

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See you there :)

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It is literally going to take months of grinding to get this relic

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MMOs are time sinks. However your concern with it being outdated within the next patch is a very valid one. If they could say something on that, that would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Shiki_Lockhart

So that said epic mob if was like so hard like A4S you would be happy to do even knowing that just 1% or less cleared A4S? Or wouldn't those guys in forums cry saying that boss was too hard and demand nerf? Or maybe after 6-12 months that you would be so overgeared and could finally kill it?

There isn't many options to make this kind approach if you want to relic take a while to be completed. Is either grind or a impossible mob to kill that just 1% would imagine to kill with their skills and dedication gating everyone else. But if this was the case you weren't on that 1% what you would do? Cry in forum? Give up on it?

Yeah... seems easy right? -_-

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He's likely referring to Chimera or Hydra, those weren't raid tier difficulty they were just right. But seems everything nowdays should be cakewalk dificulty, as you are basically stating.

People claims they need their easy content because they don't have time for raids, yet just by roughly looking at this, I could never hope to have enough time to ever grind these relics, since the amount of time heavily surpasses the time I spend raiding.

Not that I would want to anyways since these grind tasks are massively boring.

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

Raid Savage. Skill-locked cutting edge interesting and challenging content. There you go. Unless you want that to be nerfed too...


You don't know any of that.

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Yeah, raid scene's half dead and my static needs the folk willing to run it. If relics were brought in at 3.0, it might have been less absurd, but this is stuff that is 5 months old, coupled with some of the most dull nonsense this game had to offer. The schedule of releases suggest a raise in ilvl for 3.2 and another raid tier being introduced.meaning an i210 weapon is going to be outdated in stats, if not feasibility.

If they were expecting this of players, this should have been out at around 3.0. Not when people are tiring of the content.

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Originally Posted by Evtrai

Except, following the trend that every bit of what people has predicted has happened, I would seriously doubt it's going to be any different...

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Personally, I'm of the opinion that the relic was cooked up last minute to give everyone complaining about the lack of things to do in 3.1 things to do. It is my hope that they will get more attention to detail in future patches. That would be my request to SE anyway, not that the grind is terrible or that it be nerfed. For all we know, it could end up being a weapon ten or twenty ilvls higher than savage drops by the end of 3.xx. Then the risk/reward ratio would be fine, right? And a nerf to the early steps would break the gear economy. IMHO, it's simply too soon to tell. I'm personally going to wait a patch to get more info on the expected progression.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

To get the relic, you have to do boring content an absurd number of times. All this for a weapon that will be outclassed in the shortest amount of time, until it is updated, to only match the current ilvl of content which will require ANOTHER absurd grind of boring content before getting outclassed in the shortest amount of time.

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Half of the relic weapons are already outclassed by their current i210 counterparts.