New Alpha Video

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

sometimes you have to flip "shit" to make people recognize about how stupid things they are complaining about.
http://thegogreenblog.com/wp-content...0/06/grass.jpg

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You can keep posting the same image.

You're still wrong, but feel free.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

I saw Tonkra flipping his shit and calling people "Not real final fantasy fan" because he didn't like them.

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at least it was amusing. i was just screwing around about it too, because some one said "what will they complain about next". then he basically told be to shut up, and i posted the same thing 2 more times. he missed the third post i think.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

If we just "dealt with it", we'd all be in random servers and coloring our equipment based on their stats.

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...what?

Also, if you think the devs actually listen to the English General Discussion board, you're funny.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

You're still wrong, but feel free.

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and i say you are wrong. huh? ;D ^ _ ^

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

at least it was amusing. i was just screwing around about it too, because some one said "what will they complain about next". then he basically told be to shut up, and i posted the same thing 2 more times. he missed the third post i think.

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oh really there is a 3rd one? Oh you really.. really got me ! ^^

*bluh

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

...what?

Also, if you think the devs actually listen to the English General Discussion board, you're funny.

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they only show up to temp ban you for like 5 minutes for somthing you posted 2 weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

they only show up to temp ban you for like 5 minutes for somthing you posted 2 weeks ago.

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Developer =/= Community Rep/Moderator.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Developer =/= Community Rep/Moderator.

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Hey, the power to ban has the power to change. its a lot more than what you or i got.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

...what?

Also, if you think the devs actually listen to the English General Discussion board, you're funny.

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So basically when they revamped the crafting system, they had it so that certain colors of equipment had certain stat bonuses. People made a fuss, whined, complained, bitched, moaned, and gave critique. They changed it.

When the servers where being merged, the initial plan was to do it semi randomly. People made a fuss, whined, complained, bitched, moaned, and gave critique. They changed it.


To think they don't listen to us is pure conjecture and shows even less faith in the dev team than I do. (Not that I'm completely against them or dissapointed in that much.) Once again, the whole point of these forums is because they needed a a place for us to give our input. If you think the English German and French forums are a formality, well, I honestly don't know what to say about that.

eh, well When everyone is saying this:

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1373070_o.gif

in every language of the world its bound to get noticed.

but half the time its just random bickering, hell im not even sure half the people even know what they really want...or rather i do, i just refuse to believe people just want a game with copied elements of every MMO in the last 20 years.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

i just refuse to believe people just want a game with copied elements of every MMO in the last 20 years.

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well the blue dots at each trainsition zone are no copy&paste from other MMOrpgs thats for sure :D :p

Just want to point out that at 2:54 the waterwheel. It isn't exactly rotating properly relative to the flow of the water.

Otherwise I like the rest. The birds almost sound like they are part of the background music, because it fits the earthy forest theme so well.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Bad game? Maybe not.

Worse game? Yes (in that particular aspect). I wonder if its a limitation within the new system they are porting - something about limited animation blendings. I have to feel it is a hard coded issue with the game, as it makes no sense to remove or at least tweak them. But hardcoded issue like that sucks XD, animation blending is really great for continuity of visuals. Still would play though.


I have 2 oranges, someone takes away 1 orange. I have less oranges. I always want more oranges. Follows definition of worse.

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I am not hungry forr 2, I'm a light eater, you can have mine.. FATTY!!! :p hehe

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

I'm glad this the first video game you've ever played, but there have been many games made before that don't have the best animations, especially ones as minor as "start and stop" animations, and can still be incredibly fun.

Your priorities are set wrong.

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I don't mean "start and stop" animation. I mean how the world turn around under the char feets during he standing still instead to turning around with the world. Like he is floating.

The music was fantastic, far more engaging than the current Grid theme in my opinion. The natural flow of the environment; the placement of buildings, the general layout, the small touches (The waterfall near the mail moogle) are all superior to what we currently have. Very pleased with what the team has done with the map redesign, and I hope the same quality holds true for the unseen areas of the game

However, as many others, I must bring up the animations; they're unnatural and jarring. It's not merely a case of being inferior to 1.0's animation set, it's also a conflicting aesthetic to the rest of the game world. It looks awkward and out of place, and for someone like me, that's a big deal. It reaches beyond the unsubtle stopping animations and creepy, almost doll-like pivot, as the battle animations we've seen share the same problems. Nothing seems to be fluid, have no transition, and honestly look laughable in some respects (The 90 degree, back breaking bend that happens upon every attack made against you)

I have concerns about how combat will work as well, honestly sad to see the slower paced, deliberate combat style thrown out for something else, but this is a bit off topic, and I haven't seen enough combat to fully pass judgement, so I'll just end it here.

From lv 20 to 21 we need 43505 exp in ARR
How much need we now?

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

If you are concerned about the animations, the second post in the Producer's Live asks specifically about it.



Go 'Like' it to improve it's chance of being asked to Yoshi-P. (as of this post, it only has 78 likes)

And please stop whining about it in this thread - you aren't accomplishing anything.

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If I could, I would like my own post :3
Though I'm guessing my wording was somewhat harsh/dickish which kept it from getting as many likes as it could have.

And if nothing else, the discussion is still going, which increases visibility and the chance that a community rep will see it, which has led to results in the past. If you want to talk about some other aspect of the video, go ahead I'm not stopping you.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Same reason most men find fat women unattractive yet there's men out there who find fat women very attractive, you don't have to understand it.

Aside from the uninspired generic feel of the music, it does look a bit too bright which could be due to the lightning not being optimized yet.

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This... not a fan turning the deep forest and lighting of Gridania into some sort of LotR-Shire with tall trees. Hopefully improvement to lighting will come with time, even if the music remains... (Right now it reminds me, to no surprise, of 1.0's alpha lighting, comparatively.)

That said, the sectioning looks pretty well done, and the city looks deservedly larger. Given that the whole of the Black Shroud has now become a Light-Brown Shroud, I can't really justify any complaints about the city itself.

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Originally Posted by Felis

From lv 20 to 21 we need 43505 exp in ARR
How much need we now?

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I don't have any characters at that level, but right now 25-26 is 27000, if that helps.
But it'll be hard to say what that really means if xp gets rescalled.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Just want to point out that at 2:54 the waterwheel. It isn't exactly rotating properly relative to the flow of the water.

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Are you sure about that? Check again, it is flowing/moving correctly :).

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Originally Posted by casker

This is sounding like cognitive dissonance to me.

So, the animations suck now, well, animations are stupid and significant anyway! Who needs animations!

When trying to rationalize how to deal with the animations, instead of demanding quality, just say they don't matter.

I think that is sad.

Y'all are walking down a dangerous path. A path that does not lead to the game being the best it could be. A path that leads to the game being crap. A compromise here, a compromise there...

They may have made improvements elsewhere (some of that is up to debate) but that doesn't excuse a massive downgrade to 2007 free korean mmo animation. I expect trash tier from Elder Scrolls Online maybe, but not Final Fantasy.

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You have no idea the power you are lacking to say "i don't like it change it" specially to a corporation like SE lol so don't say it so lightly video thread already has 171 likes ..your comment only 4 ..so yeah you are one of the very odd few that can't grasp whats been accomplished here by Yoshi-P and his team in youtube video has already 106,780 views and i assume most of them liked it :D too bad SE don't let us "like" those videos.

Simplest way it can be said is that 1.0 animations should have never existed in the first place, why? bcuz not everyone has 2,000$ rigs and those animations slowed down the gameplay experience example hamlet I HATED to do DoH bcuz getting on your feet after a synth took FOREVER in an event where buffs need to stay up is no good. just my opinion :)

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

This... not a fan turning the deep forest and lighting of Gridania into some sort of LotR-Shire with tall trees. Hopefully improvement to lighting will come with time, even if the music remains... (Right now it reminds me, to no surprise, of 1.0's alpha lighting, comparatively.)

That said, the sectioning looks pretty well done, and the city looks deservedly larger. Given that the whole of the Black Shroud has now become a Light-Brown Shroud, I can't really justify any complaints about the city itself.

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You hatin on LOTR music? your opinion and elexia's will forever fly out of the window and there's no going back

I am really baffled. There's all this talk about animation and how it's lacking. Yet it's appears exactly like I would expect it too. The only "animation" issue I see exists in also happens to exist in every other 3D FF game I can recall. It's definitely their in XIV now.

In the video characters don't have rotation animation, and in always face in same the direction the camera is facing. So when you rotate the camera you character also rotates. Pressing left or right causes your character to run to the left or right if standing still. They do not rotate. They also don't turn their heads either.

So what's the problem. This is how you'd expect to play with a mouse and keyboard? Right?

From a purely game play perspective, how would enhancing the detail of animations improve game play? Would it cause annoying animation lock? Animation sequences will break out of an existing animation and straight into another all the time. This is how you expect it to function.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Holy balls...that song is incredible... :O



Let me direct you to: http://youtu.be/LJAOSFCDOMY?t=16s

"All content shown is under development and subject to change."

Personally, the removal of that "bubble of detail" is more than enough to make up for the pivoting. The game looks leaps better than 1.0, so I'm not going to sweat stuff like "I don't turn right."

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Only left? :o

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Originally Posted by Warlock

You have no idea the power you are lacking to say "i don't like it change it" specially to a corporation like SE lol so don't say it so lightly video thread already has 171 likes ..your comment only 4 ..so yeah you are one of the very odd few that can't grasp whats been accomplished here by Yoshi-P and his team in youtube video has already 106,780 views and i assume most of them liked it :D too bad SE don't let us "like" those videos.

Simplest way it can be said is that 1.0 animations should have never existed in the first place, why? bcuz not everyone has 2,000$ rigs and those animations slowed down the gameplay experience example hamlet I HATED to do DoH bcuz getting on your feet after a synth took FOREVER in an event where buffs need to stay up is no good. just my opinion :)

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Almost any update will get a couple hundred likes regardless of anything. And I don't know why you seem to think that offering feedback somehow amounts to being unable "to grasp whats been accomplished by Yoshi-P." Separate issues. Just because someone likes something or supports something doesn't mean they can't offer feedback or point out stuff that looks bad, and offering feedback doesn't mean I hate the game as a whole. If I didn't support this game I wouldn't even be here. If we don't offer feedback then we might as well take down the forums. "I don't like it change it" is precisely the point of these things.

I know you want to take a "SE is a giant corporation, you are nothing" stance against me because you are butthurt but SE has shown receptiveness to the forums in the past. Read that thread and there are tons of replies mentioning how the animation is lacking, so it's not just me.

IMMERSION


blue dots = bad
char spinning with no foot movement when camera is moved = bad
saloon doors / swinging doors that swing one way = bad

jump = good

But, what I really wanna see is a combat video

"All that glitters is not gold, gilded tombs do worms enfold"

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

IMMERSION


blue dots = bad
char spinning with no foot movement when camera is moved = bad
saloon doors / swinging doors that swing one way = bad

jump = good

But, what I really wanna see is a combat video

"All that glitters is not gold, gilded tombs do worms enfold"

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What the....

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Originally Posted by casker

Almost any update will get a couple hundred likes regardless of anything. And I don't know why you seem to think that offering feedback somehow amounts to being unable "to grasp whats been accomplished by Yoshi-P." Separate issues. Just because someone likes something or supports something doesn't mean they can't offer feedback or point out stuff that looks bad, and offering feedback doesn't mean I hate the game as a whole. If I didn't support this game I wouldn't even be here. If we don't offer feedback then we might as well take down the forums. "I don't like it change it" is precisely the point of these things.

I know you want to take a "SE is a giant corporation, you are nothing" stance against me because you are butthurt but SE has shown receptiveness to the forums in the past. Read that thread and there are tons of replies mentioning how the animation is lacking, so it's not just me.

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Why am i a butthurt? i am perfectly fine with how an alpha video looks like. More than saying there is a "lack" is the constant beating on the "it should be 1.0 clunky all over again" dead horse which is another fact you and the 4 that liked your comment seem to not be able to compute, those animations locked you on place ,were clunky and on top of that you need a strong expensive rig to play it fine with settings at max

I think they did do a good job with what I've seen from the video. The only critique I would give at this point is more life in the city with NPC's and such.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I0OiFwEfL0&t=2m54s

"Four likes don't make you a conqueror"
"It's better than zero likes."

I say what I want regardless of whether it will get me likes or not, so please save your ad populum argument. And check the thread anyway, there are plenty of people who agree with me through out so don't act like its just me and 4 other people.

You also act like the animation is the sole reason the game ran so clunky. Nope. Bad coding, poor optimization, and bad server infrastructure and lag were the culprits.

The movement animations don't even lock you in place, either. You can pull a straight 180 and its mostly smooth and responsive. The movement animations cancel when you put in a different movement.

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Originally Posted by casker

The animations don't even lock you in place, either. You can pull a straight 180 and its smooth and responsive. Animations cancel when you put in a different movement.

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Did we play the same game because I really don't remember my animations being cancelled when I tried for something else.

And if we're still on the subject of the camera panning and the character not moving....rest assured that it's fine. The Gridania alpha footage was done before current alpha phase, no doubt to not have tonnes of character models in town.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Did we play the same game because I really don't remember my animations being cancelled when I tried for something else.

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Some abilities lock you because of the animations. Movement just transitions based on your input. It's not like you have to sit through every animation, and it won't play an entire animation if you interrupt it. Just tried it in GW2 and it's pretty much the same. An animation only fully goes through if you aren't putting in any more inputs.

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Originally Posted by casker

Some abilities lock you because of the animations. Movement just transitions based on your input. It's not like you have to sit through every animation, and it won't play an entire animation if you interrupt it. Just tried it in GW2 and it's pretty much the same. An animation only fully goes through if you aren't putting in any more inputs.

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That means there is still animation lock. And some animations lock you through the whole motions. Try it with Chaos Thrust. Bloodletter. Simian Thrash. Magic spells. There is STILL a lock that is painful. Even if you spam other inputs after it.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

That means there is still animation lock. And some animations lock you through the whole motions. Try it with Chaos Thrust. Bloodletter. Simian Thrash. Magic spells. There is STILL a lock that is painful. Even if you spam other inputs after it.

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Yeah...there is animation lock. In the battle animations. I'm not talking about those.

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Originally Posted by casker

Yeah...there is animation lock. In the battle animations. I'm not talking about those.

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Ooo, I get what you meant. Sorry, I misunderstood your post.

Yea, animations didn't have anything to do with stuff outside of combat (as long as I could see) - it was there to disguise the bad coding and stuff under it, at least as I could tell.

Actually, testing it out some more, gw2 is more responsive. But it still has far better animation than 2.0 from what we've seen, because it still does have good rebound animations and returning to rest and what not, so simply having animations in and of themselves isn't the problem.

I haven't gone through the previous 28 pages but one thing that stands out from the video is the lack of dynamic NPCs. I think the game would benefit from having NPC's wander about town and interact with other NPC's.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Ooo, I get what you meant. Sorry, I misunderstood your post.

Yea, animations didn't have anything to do with stuff outside of combat (as long as I could see) - it was there to disguise the bad coding and stuff under it, at least as I could tell.

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Nah, my fault. I am not the most clear writer.

But now we are getting into the territory of animation lock discussion which I am kind of iffy on.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

That means there is still animation lock. And some animations lock you through the whole motions. Try it with Chaos Thrust. Bloodletter. Simian Thrash. Magic spells. There is STILL a lock that is painful. Even if you spam other inputs after it.

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The thema is movement animation.
Test it yourself. Press ingame W then S and look how much time your char need to run in the other direction.