New Job: Viper

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

Dual/twinblades and you are done, huh? That seems quite the opposite of inspired, cohesive, synergistic and good design. That seems like they could have slapped dual blades on any job regardless of other design factors (which in fact they somewhat did here), and you still would have bought into it. That's incredibly undiscerning, and while good for you for being easily satisfied I guess, some of us just aren't into shovelware Korean MMO design. Maybe the game is changing and this is the target market now, but I may not be part of it if this is the new standard for class design.

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With this line of, and im being generous, logic.
Basically all and any Job, or class, and at this point in any game could be dismissed as "meh", no one here is inventing any wheel nor discorvering electricity my friend... You are quite transparent to your own biases it seems. Kinda confusing your personal taste for actual objectivity, careful with that.


And calling it a "korean shovelware" actually reminded me of Lineage 2, Blade Dancer is probably one of the best classes i have ever had the pleasure of playing in any MMORPG.
"New standard for class design" try harder.

Reading this thread is kind of insane to me the way that people seem to think they have the entire job rotation figured out from a short video that barely shows every skill. We won’t be able to know how to the job plays until we see the job actions trailer. Anyone who thinks they “know” the job plays like reaper based on this trailer is being completely disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Awful name

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We can't judge the name cuz we don't know enough about the class. If it's a melee poison or dot, or something that reduces the cds for a faster onslaught specialist then viper is a very suitable name and fits the class perfectly. All we know is they showed a little bit but really we have no real information about the class other than the weapons. So I can't say the name suits it or not....yet.

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Originally Posted by WeebAlert

Reading this thread is kind of insane to me the way that people seem to think they have the entire job rotation figured out from a short video that barely shows every skill. We won’t be able to know how to the job plays until we see the job actions trailer. Anyone who thinks they “know” the job plays like reaper based on this trailer is being completely disingenuous.

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Especially since this is par for the course with job reveal trailers. They reveal like its battle stance emote, then reveal a fragment of the kit. Usually its just the resource builder, with a few odds and ends here and there. To me it just looked like what happens if you put skillspeed on a rogue/ninja for their basic 1-2-3, then with some Blood of the Dragon looking buff activated.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

But it is inspired, cohesive, synergistic and really good.
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There is no way any of us could possibly know this, we have literally seen a half minute trailer for the job that gave no real information.

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Originally Posted by WeebAlert

Reading this thread is kind of insane to me the way that people seem to think they have the entire job rotation figured out from a short video that barely shows every skill. We won’t be able to know how to the job plays until we see the job actions trailer. Anyone who thinks they “know” the job plays like reaper based on this trailer is being completely disingenuous.

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Well since the 2 minute burst window seems to be staying we can make some pretty accurate guesses so far. It's blue aura burst will probably be on a 2 minute cooldown, it will probably have an ability similar to manafication that will allow it to burst in the opener since a lot of jobs have that now too. It's gauge spenders will be designed to be used in that burst window since they will be the higher potency skills. It will also most likely have a 1-2-3 or 1-2-3-4 standard combo to build gauge with a few oGCDs sprinkled in on different timers, though they will still have to line up to the 2 minute burst window.

Naah bruh the blue aura is definitely going to be like reaper's enshroud where you build up meter for your burst then spam a single gcd (or two if you're lucky) for 4 hits before ending it with a big finisher ala Reaper's Death Ball. The one thing that definitely would be on a two minute timer would be it's super flashy attack that gives you enough gauge to activate the blue aura in your opener.

The rest of it is pretty spot on though lmao.

I've been waiting for this for so long. I don't know if it will have any stealth or assassin-like features, but I hope so. I really want a more eastern assassin job in comparison to ninja.

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

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Knew I'd seen that stance before.

Funny that they talk about having a fast playstyle with it, yet the trailer makes it seem slow (I know they normally do this, but could have had a faster pace to point out the speed).

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The stance makes it seem a bit gawky, even if they're doing it as a legacy reference thing. Is there any chance it's a placeholder, or are they just having to scrape a bit to create something different to how ninja holds their daggers?

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

Was hoping for pirate with a pistol, but I'll take it. A bit of a shame the swords are sheathed on the back and not on the hip like in the trailer, but that's personal taste.

In the demo, you notice he uses an ability that combines the swords in an attack, and then stays in that stance with them combined, instead of just going back to two swords. I'm interested in seeing how that plays into that blue aura speed buff.

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They are probably gonna save that for their Lightning job. But up next will be the Blitz all job.

fall guys collab in 6.5.1

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

There is no way any of us could possibly know this, we have literally seen a half minute trailer for the job that gave no real information.

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It has dual swords AND twinblades in one.

Is already the best Job in existence in this game. Will be.

I'm really interested if it will have a poison DoT. Considering they don't want to have that many DoTs i guess it won't? The burst will probably have us combine the swords.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

It has dual swords AND twinblades in one.

Is already the best Job in existence in this game. Will be.

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ok

new job arer always dumped on even 8 months before the new contents go live the only bad thing that needs to be removed are the remaining trolls infesting the forums.

Dear Square Enix if you actually read this forums - can you please give Viper the dual blades from Attack on Titan for glamour. Better yet, a full collaboration with Attack on Titan would be amazing.

Probably could get a DoT that triggers alot of other things to occur.

Or act like a Heavy Sworded Monk.

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Besides a couple of The remaining dots are token Aoe dot/Single dot.

May as well have a token Viper DoT that Triggers a bunch of effects.

(which in turn will put them in a situation where if the Viper doesn't get to apply it cause of the upper limit. then we can pressure them to actually expanded the buff/debuff cap instead of removals which would practically be removing nothing at this point.)

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Probably could get a DoT that triggers alot of other things to occur.

Or act like a Heavy Sworded Monk.

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Besides a couple of The remaining dots are token Aoe dot/Single dot.

May as well have a token Viper DoT that Triggers a bunch of effects.

(which in turn will put them in a situation where if the Viper doesn't get to apply it cause of the upper limit. then we can pressure them to actually expanded the buff/debuff cap instead of removals which would practically be removing nothing at this point.)

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From the looks of the demo, it does look like it might have either a DoT or applied damage buff. The very first skill it uses leaves some sort of effect on the morbol, though the effect itself looked really placeholder-ish.

Delete this post plz

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Originally Posted by Iscah

And you made your first forum post in two years to tell us something irrelevant to the thread topic... why, exactly?

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Because it doesnt allow me to post.

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Originally Posted by Pathis

Because it doesnt allow me to post.

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You can only post here? :D Really???

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Originally Posted by george357

new job arer always dumped on even 8 months before the new contents go live the only bad thing that needs to be removed are the remaining trolls infesting the forums.

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Yeah we know: Reacting "meh" about the tiny information: bad. Reacting hyped about it: good. As the old saying goes: "Please be excited"

Back to topic:
Even if it doesn't turn out to be FF9-ish they should still have some of Zidane's attacks as skill names and animations (remade of course) imho. What do you think?

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Back to topic:
Even if it doesn't turn out to be FF9-ish they should still have some of Zidane's attacks as skill names and animations (remade of course) imho. What do you think?

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It'll definitely have a few easter eggs in there somewhere. If anything, a battle stance, victory pose, or weapon idle stance reminiscent of Zidane's, but I hope for far more nods than just those.