Ifrit Extreme....What's Different?

JP latency seem like EU latency ... Look at 40 second on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVEiHcHTFZU#t=0m41s

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

No, your right, the lag in those JP videos couldnt possably be because JP players also somtimes play with less then awsome PCs, as all JP players are uber awsome and have uber awsome PCs, this can not possably be a "myth" as everything JP is automaticly AWSOME!!!. (sarcasm)

Second note, for the people who thumbs uped that post, I feel like you should be scoulded like when a dog pisses on the floor, not carpet, its not that bad. More like a dog pissing on tile. Its forgiveable but an anoyance becuase now someone has to come behind you and clean up your mess and correct you, because you should know better.... bad thumbs up, very bad thumbs up.

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Are you serious?? Do you want me to link the video in question? Here: http://youtu.be/JR_hIFlwnyA

The lag in the US videos can't possibly be for the same reason?? OR maybe..here's a clue..perhaps everyone has latency because the server is junk and the game is so poorly optimized. Every. Single. Player. Has. Latency. Hilarious you bother to deny that. Just look at the video. They are running out from behind the rocks well before the skill visibly goes off. Are you watching the DRG? He/She is activating a skill from the front and running back behind the mob before the skill even goes off. How would that be possible without that "latency" we always blame. It wouldn't be.

My point is there is net latency, or lag. Our lag is worse obviously because we live farther away. But then there's the delay with skills, or with abilities (like Garuda's AoE) that are due to the game's shoddy hardware/poor optimization. That is universal. Everyone deals with it, and everyone learns how to play around it. JP has it. US has it. EU has it. That has nothing to do with ping, because I can do the same thing on my game as that jp player can on his/her game. I bet you can do the same thing as well, despite having superior hardware/inferior hardware. Saying JP players have no latency is just false. Some is caused by net connections, some is caused by hardware. We ALL deal with the latency caused by hardware, if that's the word for it, which has more to do with SE's hardware than ours honestly. The latency caused by net connections will vary by region.

Your tirade was silly, really. It's like you didn't even bother to think about what I said before you spit it out. Heck go to the JP forums and come back to me saying "JP has not latency". Bet they've raged about it the same as we have. Cmon man, seriously.

All the latency tears...they sustain me.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

All the latency tears...they sustain me.

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It's funny how the latency excuse disappeared for awhile then all of a sudden it pops right back up.

In the ten or so hours that I've spent so far with Ifrit Extreme I can honestly say I've only seen one `latency` issue that killed me when I was the equivalent of about 40 feet away from an eruption that still hit me. That is one eruption in all the hundreds now that I've had to run from and avoided successfully. Any that I didn't avoid successfully was due to my own mistake or lost gamble or the poor positioning of another player. I am not one to call BS often and quite frankly get irritated with people who constantly blame things like lag to cover for their mistakes. It makes me think they're incapable of self identifying their own mistakes and will therefor continually repeat them. That or they're just stupid. That or they're lying to save face.

Latency and lag or whatever is not going to be the deciding factor in this confrontation. It has nothing to do with the 13 nail phase which seems to me so far to be the ultimate and truest test of this fight on top of everything else about it which leaves little room for error and sloppy play. This isn't Ifrit Hard; it isn't a fight you need to farm and fight the RNG. You have to kill it one time for one weapon. Anyone who unlocks it and never defeats it will not have been defeated by latency, they'll have been defeated by Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by DarthTaru

Anyone who unlocks it and never defeats it will not have been defeated by latency, they'll have been defeated by Ifrit.

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Thats deep man.

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Originally Posted by DarthTaru

In the ten or so hours that I've spent so far with Ifrit Extreme I can honestly say I've only seen one `latency` issuethat killed me when I was the equivalent of about 40 feet away from an eruption that still hit me. That is one eruption in all the hundreds now that I've had to run from and avoided successfull y. Any that I didn't avoid successfully was due to my own mistake or lost gamble or the poor positioning of another player. I am not one to call BS often and quite frankly get irritated with people who constantly blame things like lag to cover for their mistakes. It makes me think they're incapable of self identifying their own mistakes and will therefor continually repeat them. That or they're just stupid. That or they're lying to save face.

Latency and lag or whatever is not going to be the deciding factor in this confrontation. It has nothing to do with the 13 nail phase which seems to me so far to be the ultimate and truest test of this fight on top of everything else about it which leaves little room for error and sloppy play. This isn't Ifrit Hard; it isn't a fight you need to farm and fight the RNG. You have to kill it one time for one weapon. Anyone who unlocks it and never defeats it will not have been defeated by latency, they'll have been defeated by Ifrit.

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You must be JP.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

You must be JP.

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No, he's clearly NA that just happens to live in Japan across the street from the servers.

I wonder when they will learn the difference between latency, lag and animation lock...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

I wonder when they will learn the difference between latency, lag and animation lock...

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When they finally learn that neither makes the fight impossible.

Setup : PLD WAR WAR DRG DRG DRG WHM WHM, ZERO BLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9FwrItH9fQ

Strange that all drg use Relics, WAr still using Garuda

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

Setup : PLD WAR WAR DRG DRG DRG WHM WHM, ZERO BLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9FwrItH9fQ

Strange that all drg use Relics, WAr still using Garuda

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Thanks for all the help Leo! Appreciate it =)

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Originally Posted by Ventus

Thanks for all the help Leo! Appreciate it =)

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NP, here is JP strat, hope somebody can translate :

《WS情報》

1回目火炎後、怒りの炎に包まれたあとは
左右の角折り状況によって各WSの発動パターンが追加または変化

柱出現中はエラプションとバルカンバーストのみ

・光輝の炎柱
　①マップ中央に円状サラミ4つ展開
　②外周にそって半円のサラミを複数展開
　③イフリートの足元周辺と中央当たり以外全域にサラミ展開
　④イフリートの足元周辺以外全域にサラミ展開
　⑤マップ全域にサラミ展開

　上記パターンのいずれかで発動
　HP85%以上→①②
　怒りの炎後(角両方折れ)→①②③
　怒りの炎後(角1本折れ)→①②③④
　怒りの炎後(角折り無し)→①②③④⑤

　回避方法は
　盾はイフを外周沿いに配置、他はイフ後ろまたは内側に立ち
　外周から少し内側で全員が戦闘できるようにすることで
　全域以外のパターンであれば移動なしもしくは少し移動することで回避可能
　サイクロン後など不意に中央展開がくると被弾しやすいので常に立ち位置注意

　サラミとサラミの境界に立つと複数ヒットするので注意
　回避できないと思ったらサラミ中央で一発被弾で耐える

・クリムゾンサイクロン
　飛び上がってマップ端へ着地し、逆端へ突進、落ちてくる場所は8方位のいずれかまたは複数
　①東西南北いずれかから1匹出現逆端へ突進
　②東西南北いずれかから時計回りに3匹出現、時計回りに順番に逆端へ突進
　③東西南北いずれかから時計回りに4匹出現、時計回りに順番に逆端へ突進
　④東西南北いずれかから時計回りに4匹出現、同時に逆端へ突進(回避不可)

　上記パターンのいずれかで発動
　HP85%以上→①
　怒りの炎後(角両方折れ)→②
　怒りの炎後(角1本折れ)→③
　怒りの炎後(角折り無し)→④

　真イフ時より当たり判定がかなり幅広い(イフとイフの隙間は完全NG)
　WS発動位置によって落ちてくる方角が概ね決まる(?)

　被弾すると「熱傷」追加効果　75ダメージ/3s 180s

　さらにサイクロン後ヘイトリセット、誰かをランダムでターゲット
　必ずインシネレートを放つ

　回避方法は
　イフが飛んだら時計回りに走り出し順番に来るイフの突進に合わせて外周を走る
　ただし完全に対角線上に1匹目のイフが落ちてきた場合は回避困難なため
　一度半時計周りに引き返し、一回被弾後時計回りに走ったほうが無難
　(ムリに時計回りに走ると連続被弾するため)

・エラプション
　①5人ターゲットで順番に地割れ発生
　②同時2人ターゲットで追尾3連地割れ発生
　③6人ターゲットで順番に地割れ発生
　④同時3人ターゲットで追尾3連地割れ発生(爆発がちょっと早い?)

　上記パターンのいずれかで発動
　HP85%以上→①②
　怒りの炎後(角両方折れ)→①②
　怒りの炎後(角1本折れ)→①②③
　怒りの炎後(角折り無し)→①②③④
　(たぶんこうだと思うけど自信無し)

　回避方法は
　真イフと同様に基本あとだし行動で地割れが起こったら走って避ける
　イフは外周誘導で
　　他　イフ　盾
　　　　他
　のように盾以外を2方向配置して中央と外周に分かれて逃げる
　最初のエラプがひとつ=順番エラプションなので
　一度自分にターゲットが来たらイフの位置へ戻って良い
　来てない場合はすぐ戻らないようにする

・インシネレート
　TP使用のWSではなくクリムゾンサイクロン直後に
　すぐもしくは爪を一回挟んで発動
　被弾すると被弾者とその周囲に「熱風」200～250ダメージ/3sec 30秒継続

　回避方法は
　ターゲットされてる人がインシネレートをしてくるまで外周を走り続け振り切って避ける
　それ以外の人は中央待機(リセットされても敵視緑なためケアルや内丹などでヘイトを上げない)
　その後盾がタゲを取る
　真イフと違いイフの胴体に埋まるように立つとイフ側が位置調整するため
　すり抜け回避はやや難しい

　もし食らったらリジェネもらって離れておくとか、一回死ぬとか

・バルカンバースト
　真イフ同様周囲500ダメくらいノックバック
　真イフと違いTP使用のWSではなく通常攻撃のひとつとしてたまに使用
　直後にWSが来ることが多いため注意

・爪(通常物理攻撃)
　前方範囲
　真イフと違い埋まるように立つとイフ側が位置調整するため
　位置調整時にイフが回転して盾以外のメンバーへ爪被害がでることがあるので注意


《モード遷移と行動パターン》

1.HP85%以上
　通常：爪、バルカンバースト
　WS:クリムゾンサイクロン、エラプション、光輝の炎柱

2.一回目の柱4本出現中(HP85%↓)
　85%わったら中央に柱4本出現、制限時間50秒
　柱出現後22秒後くらいあたりから5人へ順番にエラプション
　地獄の火炎1回目

3.HP60%以上
　1回目火炎直後に怒りの炎に包まれてモードチェンジ(体が光る)
　各WSのパターン変化または追加

4.二回目柱出現中(HP60%↓)
　60%わったら外周に柱8本出現、制限時間65秒
　柱出現後22秒前後くらいあたりから7人へ順番にエラプション
　地獄の火炎2回目

5.HP35%以上
　3と同様の行動パターン

6.三回目柱出現中(HP35%↓)
　35%わったら柱13本出現、制限時間75秒
　柱出現後22秒前後くらいあたりから7人へ順番にエラプション(1週目エラプ)
　柱出現後42秒前後くらいあたりから7人へ順番にエラプション(2週目エラプ)
　地獄の火炎3回目

7.HP35%未満
　3と同様の行動パターン

　※柱出現後イフのHPを一定以上削ると強制的に火炎発動

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

Strange that all drg use Relics, WAr still using Garuda

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Maybe he was the one they were doing the battle for?

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Are you serious?? Do you want me to link the video in question? Here: http://youtu.be/JR_hIFlwnyA

The lag in the US videos can't possibly be for the same reason?? OR maybe..here's a clue..perhaps everyone has latency because the server is junk and the game is so poorly optimized. Every. Single. Player. Has. Latency. Hilarious you bother to deny that. Just look at the video. They are running out from behind the rocks well before the skill visibly goes off. Are you watching the DRG? He/She is activating a skill from the front and running back behind the mob before the skill even goes off. How would that be possible without that "latency" we always blame. It wouldn't be.

My point is there is net latency, or lag. Our lag is worse obviously because we live farther away. But then there's the delay with skills, or with abilities (like Garuda's AoE) that are due to the game's shoddy hardware/poor optimization. That is universal. Everyone deals with it, and everyone learns how to play around it. JP has it. US has it. EU has it. That has nothing to do with ping, because I can do the same thing on my game as that jp player can on his/her game. I bet you can do the same thing as well, despite having superior hardware/inferior hardware. Saying JP players have no latency is just false. Some is caused by net connections, some is caused by hardware. We ALL deal with the latency caused by hardware, if that's the word for it, which has more to do with SE's hardware than ours honestly. The latency caused by net connections will vary by region.

Your tirade was silly, really. It's like you didn't even bother to think about what I said before you spit it out. Heck go to the JP forums and come back to me saying "JP has not latency". Bet they've raged about it the same as we have. Cmon man, seriously.

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Sorry to inform you but it is a fact that, altho JP players do have server latiency, it is in fact not the same. I agree that server stability is jsut as bad for everyone but because the physical distance between the server and the ISP is lesser for JP players then anyone else, they will have a faster reaction between their PC and the Servers. Not sure how this is even up for debate, its like saying gravity dosent pull down. Laws of physics would determain that a greater distance travled at the same pace would require more time. Explain to me how, your therory proves laws of physics wrong again? Nevermind the fact that the developers admited to latiency issues for NA and EU players, but explain to me how my Internets speed surpases that of JP internet speed to the point where it can cover over 10x the distance in the same amount of time, especially considering JP internet infostructure is much stronger then NA. And for your info, I have no issues fighting ifrit, but I do not disclaim lag issues soo to make lesser players feel even worse simply to make my self feel better >.> I think the game has enough elitiest , you can park your high hourse outside in the designated "d-bag" section.

Actually we don't really have so much lag to justify an advantage by japanese players. Instead, by official interview, we now have an official problem: packet loss

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Finalfantasy14.eu (14EU) : Have you done any tests on the latency for the version 2.0? I suppose that you've noticed that the Garuda Battle has not really been taken on by European players because of latency. French players think that the Ifrit Extreme is impossible to complete due to latency issue, and they are afraid not to be able to do the relic quest before 2.0 hits.

Yoshida : We have completed the tests and research, and we did find out that the whole issue is based on the access route: there's some packet loss, and this is the cause for the lag European players face. We are going to make sure not only French players, but all European players can have a great experience for the 2.0 version so please wait for an announcement we will be making in the future, we can't address it at the moment but we're definitely taking steps to make sure this will be solved, please be reassured.

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http://forum.finalfantasy14.eu/viewt...hp?f=20&t=2338
Yep, it isn't lag but network structure. 2.0 bitches

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

http://forum.finalfantasy14.eu/viewt...hp?f=20&t=2338
Yep, it isn't lag but network structure. 2.0 bitches

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>the whole issue is based on the access route
>it isn't lag

Do you know what you are talking about?

While latency isn't directly linked to packet loss issue, it is indirectly. The longer is the route, the more nodes, the more chances for packet to be lost. Having PL when connecting to a server geographically located near where you live is very much unlikely. Having PL when connecting to a far away location on the other hand...

I agree with Aceofspades message also, while latency isn't the sole issue and doesn't prevent a good party to kill Ifrit EX, it's still an issue and it affects EU people way more than NA.

All the people saying latency keeps them from killing Ifirt are just bad losers :S

In fact, Ifrit is pretty easy.

You responded by yourself. We have packet loss because signal get a longer route, not "because EU lag". You said yourself they aren't directly connected.
they are somewhat connected, yes. But not directly, and they are not the same

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

All the people saying latency keeps them from killing Ifirt are just bad losers :S

In fact, Ifrit is pretty easy.

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We talking of a different ifrit here

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

Sorry to inform you but it is a fact that, altho JP players do have server latiency, it is in fact not the same.

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If a JP player has a 50ms latency and a foreigner has 300ms (I get ~130 on the west coast of the US, but I'll give others the benefit of the doubt), that's only a quarter of a second difference, right?

I really don't think that's significant enough to be noticeable in a slow paced game like this, on top of the animation lock and general sluggishness.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

All the people saying latency keeps them from killing Ifirt are just bad losers :S

In fact, Ifrit is pretty easy.

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We talking of a different ifrit here

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Oh sorry, didn't know people were still fighting Hard mode.

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Originally Posted by Kowen

I really don't think that's significant enough to be noticeable in a slow paced game like this, on top of the animation lock and general sluggishness.

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Get a Watch and stop the time once in JP, NA and EU you WILL see a significant difference!
Do you count the 300ms two way for one single confirmation? Positioning is a bit more complex than just a simple hello/yes, Question/answer from Client/server.

It may be a quarter second difference on average, but even on the West Coast there are times I can't outrun cracks and will have 2 explode on me literally right after I see them.

This doesn't occur all the time as cracks are usually not a problem, but it does occur some times.

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Originally Posted by Kowen

If a JP player has a 50ms latency and a foreigner has 300ms (I get ~130 on the west coast of the US, but I'll give others the benefit of the doubt), that's only a quarter of a second difference, right?

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I just pinged one of the Gameservers from Switzerland, Europe. I get betwenn 290ms and 320ms. It's in the middle of the day not much going on so I will test that again in the evening I'm assuming it will be worser.
For a FPS this would make playing it useless. No Idea about FFXIV thought. Never tried out Ifrit. But seeing things like dead bodys floating around or people falling dead to ground far away from any Mobs or attacks there must be something else going on. Or it's just depending on the time. Which I'm looking Forward to the ping tests in the evening.

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Originally Posted by Kowen

If a JP player has a 50ms latency and a foreigner has 300ms (I get ~130 on the west coast of the US, but I'll give others the benefit of the doubt), that's only a quarter of a second difference, right?

I really don't think that's significant enough to be noticeable in a slow paced game like this, on top of the animation lock and general sluggishness.

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It's not as simple as that with XIV. Because we all know how the client/server relationship is already crap, latency just make that even worse. It's amplifying everything.

Even in Japan, with a latency <40ms, you can still feel that XIV is not as responsive as other games. With 300ms, everything becomes a nightmare. We played FF XI with 300ms and it was working somewhat well, even if the game is slow paced, you don't have the same feeling as in XIV.

Another good example would be Phantasy Star Online 2. Servers are in Japan, latency is exactly the same as in XIV, the game is really fast paced (way more action) and despite all that, everything is perfectly responsive. You can do combos that requires precise timming (<500ms), dodge all kind of things easily etc.

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

NP, here is JP strat, hope somebody can translate :

《WS情報》
WS Information

1回目火炎後、怒りの炎に包まれたあとは
左右の角折り状況によって各WSの発動パターンが追加または変化
After the 1st flame, Ifrit glows read
Depending on the incap situation of the left/right horns the WS pattern gets added or changed.

柱出現中はエラプションとバルカンバーストのみ
When the nails are out only uses Eruption and Vulcan Burst.

・光輝の炎柱
Radiant Plume
　①マップ中央に円状サラミ4つ展開 - 1) From the center of the map 4 radiant plumes in circle shape
　②外周にそって半円のサラミを複数展開 - 2) From the outside edge several radiant plumes in circle shape
　③イフリートの足元周辺と中央当たり以外全域にサラミ展開 - 3) Radiant plumes around everywhere except Ifrit's feet and center area
　④イフリートの足元周辺以外全域にサラミ展開 - 4) Radiant plumes everywhere except by Ifrit's feet.
　⑤マップ全域にサラミ展開 - 5) Radiant plume on entire map

　上記パターンのいずれかで発動
Above patter will happen with either condition.
　HP85%以上→①② - HP Above 85% > 1 or 2
　怒りの炎後(角両方折れ)→①②③ - After Ifrit glows (both horns broken) > 1,2,3
　怒りの炎後(角1本折れ)→①②③④ - After Ifrit glows (only 1 horn broken) > 1,2,3,4
　怒りの炎後(角折り無し)→①②③④⑤ - After Ifrit glow (no horn broken) > 1,2,3,4,5

　回避方法は
　盾はイフを外周沿いに配置、他はイフ後ろまたは内側に立ち
　外周から少し内側で全員が戦闘できるようにすることで
　全域以外のパターンであれば移動なしもしくは少し移動することで回避可能
　サイクロン後など不意に中央展開がくると被弾しやすいので常に立ち位置注意
To avoid
Tank to place Ifrit on the outside edge and others stand behind or inside
By making it possible to fight this way you only need to move a little to dodge or don't even need to move at all. After cyclone you have to make sure your standing position or could end up dying when the plume comes in center area.

　サラミとサラミの境界に立つと複数ヒットするので注意
　回避できないと思ったらサラミ中央で一発被弾で耐える
When standing right between two radiant plumes you get multiple hits so be carefule.
If you think you can't dodge stand in center of one radiant plume and try to stay alive with that one damage.

・クリムゾンサイクロン
　飛び上がってマップ端へ着地し、逆端へ突進、落ちてくる場所は8方位のいずれかまたは複数
Crimson Cyclone
Jumps up and lands on edge of the map and charges towards the other end of the map. There are 8 landing positions and or multiple.

　①東西南北いずれかから1匹出現逆端へ突進 - 1) pops and charges towards other end of the map
　②東西南北いずれかから時計回りに3匹出現、時計回りに順番に逆端へ突進 - 2) 3 pops in clock wise order in either east/west/south/north corner and charges in clockwise order
　③東西南北いずれかから時計回りに4匹出現、時計回りに順番に逆端へ突進 - 3) 4 pops in clock wise order in either east/west/south/north corner and charges in clockwise order
　④東西南北いずれかから時計回りに4匹出現、同時に逆端へ突進(回避不可) - 4) 4 pops in clock wise order in they all charge towards other end at same time (can't avoid)

　上記パターンのいずれかで発動
Above pattern happens with following condition
　HP85%以上→① - HP85% and above > 1
　怒りの炎後(角両方折れ)→② After Ifrit glow (both horns broken) > 2
　怒りの炎後(角1本折れ)→③ After Ifrit glow (1 horn broken) > 3
　怒りの炎後(角折り無し)→④ After Ifrit glow (no horns broken) > 4

　真イフ時より当たり判定がかなり幅広い(イフとイフの隙間は完全NG)
　WS発動位置によって落ちてくる方角が概ね決まる(?)
The range is much larger than Ifrit (Hard) and standing between Ifrit and Ifrit is no good.
Depending on WS start position the landing position is decided (?)

　被弾すると「熱傷」追加効果　75ダメージ/3s 180s
If you get hit you will get DoT damage for 75 damage / 3 seconds for 180 seconds

　さらにサイクロン後ヘイトリセット、誰かをランダムでターゲット
　必ずインシネレートを放つ
Also after the Cyclone it resets hate and randomly targets someone, and uses Incinerate

　回避方法は
　イフが飛んだら時計回りに走り出し順番に来るイフの突進に合わせて外周を走る
　ただし完全に対角線上に1匹目のイフが落ちてきた場合は回避困難なため
　一度半時計周りに引き返し、一回被弾後時計回りに走ったほうが無難
　(ムリに時計回りに走ると連続被弾するため)
To avoid
Once Ifrit jumps run clockwise and look at the Ifrit's order and run along with it.
However if Ifrit is directly accross from you it's hard to avoid so it's better to run anti clockwise first to dodge (Running clockwise in this situation you will get hit by multiple)

・エラプション
Eruption
　①5人ターゲットで順番に地割れ発生 - Targets 5 people and effect starts in order
　②同時2人ターゲットで追尾3連地割れ発生 - Targets 2 at same time 3 additional eruptions follow
　③6人ターゲットで順番に地割れ発生 - Targets 6 and effect starts in order
　④同時3人ターゲットで追尾3連地割れ発生(爆発がちょっと早い?) - Targets 3 at same time and 3 additional eruptions follow (eruption seems faster?)

　上記パターンのいずれかで発動
Above pattern happens with following condition
　HP85%以上→①② - HP85% and above > 1, 2
　怒りの炎後(角両方折れ)→①② - After Ifrit glow (both horn broken) > 1, 2
　怒りの炎後(角1本折れ)→①②③ - After Ifrit glow (1 horn broken) > 1, 2, 3
　怒りの炎後(角折り無し)→①②③④ - After Ifrit glow (no horns broken) > 1, 2, 3, 4
　(たぶんこうだと思うけど自信無し) - (I think it's this but not sure)

　回避方法は
　真イフと同様に基本あとだし行動で地割れが起こったら走って避ける
　イフは外周誘導で
　　他　イフ　盾
　　　　他
　のように盾以外を2方向配置して中央と外周に分かれて逃げる
　最初のエラプがひとつ=順番エラプションなので
　一度自分にターゲットが来たらイフの位置へ戻って良い
　来てない場合はすぐ戻らないようにする
To avoid this
Just like Ifrit hard more run away once you see the cracks if the setup is like
other ifrit tank
other
Then aside from the tank have 2 placements and run center or outside
If the first eruption is only one then it's eruption in order so if that target came to you already you can go back to ifrit's position, if it didn't shouldn't go back right away.

・インシネレート
Incinerate
　TP使用のWSではなくクリムゾンサイクロン直後に
　すぐもしくは爪を一回挟んで発動
　被弾すると被弾者とその周囲に「熱風」200～250ダメージ/3sec 30秒継続
It uses right after crimson cyclone and isn't TP based WS or uses after the claw.
When you take the damage that person and people around will get sear damage for 200-250 damage / 3 seconds which last 30 seconds.

　回避方法は
　ターゲットされてる人がインシネレートをしてくるまで外周を走り続け振り切って避ける
　それ以外の人は中央待機(リセットされても敵視緑なためケアルや内丹などでヘイトを上げない)
　その後盾がタゲを取る
　真イフと違いイフの胴体に埋まるように立つとイフ側が位置調整するため
　すり抜け回避はやや難しい
To avoid this
The person being targeted keep running the outside till Incinerate starts and dodge it, for others run in center and wait (even if it resets the enmity is green so don't cure and such to gain enmity) after the tank takes the target. Unlike Ifrit Hard mode standing on top of Ifrit, Ifrit will adjust position so it's hard to dodge by running through.

　もし食らったらリジェネもらって離れておくとか、一回死ぬとか
If you take damage get regen and stay away or die once.

・バルカンバースト
Vulcan burst
　真イフ同様周囲500ダメくらいノックバック - Just like Ifrit hard mode takes about 500 damage + knock back.
　真イフと違いTP使用のWSではなく通常攻撃のひとつとしてたまに使用 - unlike Ifrit hard it's not TP bases but uses as regular attack once in a while.
　直後にWSが来ることが多いため注意 - Right after it uses WS a lot so be carefule.

・爪(通常物理攻撃)
Claw (regular physical damage)
　前方範囲 - Front cone shaped aoe
　真イフと違い埋まるように立つとイフ側が位置調整するため
　位置調整時にイフが回転して盾以外のメンバーへ爪被害がでることがあるので注意 - Unlike Ifrit Hard mode when you stand on top of Ifrit it adjust position so sometimes when it does the adjustment and Ifrit turns around it could hit other members with the claw damage so be careful


《モード遷移と行動パターン》
Mode and movement pattern

1.HP85%以上 - HP85% and above
　通常：爪、バルカンバースト - Regular - Claw, Vulcan Burst
　WS:クリムゾンサイクロン、エラプション、光輝の炎柱 - WS: Crimson Cyclone, Eruption, Radiant Plume

2.一回目の柱4本出現中(HP85%↓) - After the first 4 claws (Under HP85%)
　85%わったら中央に柱4本出現、制限時間50秒 - Once it breaks under 85% 4 nails pops in center time limit is 50 seconds.
　柱出現後22秒後くらいあたりから5人へ順番にエラプション - once the claw pops after around 22 seconds there will be eruption targeting 5 people in order
　地獄の火炎1回目 - First Hell Fire

3.HP60%以上 - Above HP 60%
　1回目火炎直後に怒りの炎に包まれてモードチェンジ(体が光る) - Mode changes by Ifrit glowing red
　各WSのパターン変化または追加 - Individual WS pattern change or get added.

4.二回目柱出現中(HP60%↓) - 2nd nails pop (Under 60% HP)
　60%わったら外周に柱8本出現、制限時間65秒 - Once you break 60% 8 nails pop on the outside area - time limit is 65 seconds
　柱出現後22秒前後くらいあたりから7人へ順番にエラプション - After 22 seconds from nails pop there will be eruption targeting 7 people in order
　地獄の火炎2回目 - 2nd Hell Fire

5.HP35%以上 - Above 35% HP
　3と同様の行動パターン - same pattern as #3.

6.三回目柱出現中(HP35%↓) - 3rd nails pop (under 35% HP)
　35%わったら柱13本出現、制限時間75秒 - Once you break under 35% HP 13 nails pop - time limit is 75 seconds
　柱出現後22秒前後くらいあたりから7人へ順番にエラプション(1週目エラプ) - After around 22 seconds there will be eruption targeting 7 people in order (1st eruption)
　柱出現後42秒前後くらいあたりから7人へ順番にエラプション(2週目エラプ) - After around 42 seconds there will be another eruption targeting 7 people in order (2nd eruption)
　地獄の火炎3回目 - 3rd Hell Fire

7.HP35%未満 - Under HP35%
　3と同様の行動パターン - Same as pattern #3

　※柱出現後イフのHPを一定以上削ると強制的に火炎発動
*When the nails are up and you deal certain amount of damage to Ifrit it will use Hell Fire automatically

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Sorry I'll try to clean it up later, but that should be it for now :)

Good luck

** please try to give credit to wherever Leo got the info from, don't think it's post on the forums so maybe blog post??
** would be nice if you guys can always link to the source so I can check other info if anything new is added/etc.

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

here is original post :

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=388376

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Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Get a Watch and stop the time once in JP, NA and EU you WILL see a significant difference!
Do you count the 300ms two way for one single confirmation? Positioning is a bit more complex than just a simple hello/yes, Question/answer from Client/server.

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people actually get 300 ms? I live in Kansas and average in low 100s

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Sorry I'll try to clean it up later, but that should be it for now :)

Good luck

** please try to give credit to wherever Leo got the info from, don't think it's post on the forums so maybe blog post??
** would be nice if you guys can always link to the source so I can check other info if anything new is added/etc.

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here is original post :

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=388376

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Originally Posted by Krausus

people actually get 300 ms? I live in Kansas and average in low 100s

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1.839 postings and not once noticed this one?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Network-Delay

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

1.839 postings and not once noticed this one?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Network-Delay

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However in 2011 was popular to blame latency issues on why they couldn't beat Ifrit at all, but it died off when people just simply got better at it, now that there's another Ifrit "requirement of some kind (hard for loot/Extreme for Relic)" it's all of a sudden:

"Only JP will beat it cuz of latency"

~.~

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Originally Posted by Elexia

However in 2011 was popular to blame latency issues on why they couldn't beat Ifrit at all, but it died off when people just simply got better at it, now that there's another Ifrit "requirement of some kind (hard for loot/Extreme for Relic)" it's all of a sudden:

"Only JP will beat it cuz of latency"

~.~

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Just tell me: Where have i said such nonsense?
I replied to correct some things that are not true, pure physics - nothing more!

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Originally Posted by OctaviusEvergreen

Please get over your elitist "I'm a better player than you LOLZ" attitude and realise that Yukiko never once stated that latency prevents her from dodging. She was simply stating (like many people have said over and over again in this thread) that the battle IS made slightly more difficult than it is for those living closer to the server due to latency issues. Get your head out of the sand.

LATENCY ISSUES:
Do they exist? Yes, they do.
Do they make the battle harder? Slightly, of course.
Does it prevent anyone with enough skill from winning the battle? Absolutely not.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Just tell me: Where have i said such nonsense?
I replied to correct some things that are not true, pure physics - nothing more!

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Indeed, the thing is though it's just funny how all of a sudden it springs back up. Everyone knows there's a latency (and animation) problem with this game, yet it somehow didn't prevent people from making ifrit their bitch for over a year after the in initial 'omg latency makes eruptions hit me from across the field!" cries of agony, but now that we needed to do it for Relic, it's suddenly becoming a 'prevalent problem.'

That's why you see people poking fun at people who blame latency or even mention it, because for the longest no one said anything about latency in ifrit being a problem in beating him until we need to beat him again for a different reason xD.

Most problem is the position check between client and server

Client: "Char moved out of the AoE range"
Server: "No, he is still in range. Eat the damage!"

I hope it is better with 2.0

Should be, since they said the massive amount of shaders is also part of the problem more so than server latency in regards to a lot of issues.

Watch the JP videos of Ifrit X and watch how fast they can use skills in succession, then try to do it on your client. They get them off so much quicker its insane.

This isn't just about dodging Ifrit skills etc... you can do that with insight np but there's nothing that can make up for how much quicker they can push through combos, buffs, etc. I'd assume the best JP DRG or MNK etc blows the best US/EU out of the water by a pretty decent margin.

You can also see this while gathering next to a JP, how their swings are closer together than yours are.

Hopefully this imbalance will be fixed in 2.0 because anything that is "very very challenging" for JP players may really be impossible for NA/EU if it remains like the current client.

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

Watch the JP videos of Ifrit X and watch how fast they can use skills in succession, then try to do it on your client. They get them off so much quicker its insane..

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You do realize this is also tied to your PC's performance, right?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You do realize this is also tied to your PC's performance, right?

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I have a really nice computer, i run this game on minimum settings, JP swing 8 times in the time that I swing 7

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

I have a really nice computer, i run this game on minimum settings, JP swing 8 times in the time that I swing 7

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Sorry, had to jump in here for this but...

If you have a really nice PC why are you running minimum settings? I call bullshit.

He is the guy that demands server to be segregated between the JP and the rest of the world, his view is extremely biased.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post749756

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Sorry, had to jump in here for this but...

If you have a really nice PC why are you running minimum settings? I call bullshit.

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He could have turned them down to ensure maximum framerate all the time. He could also have turned them down to ensure that system load wasn't a factor in the percieved lag during his test.

Don't really see what bullshit there is to call.