Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

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Originally Posted by BlackOprheus

It is so frustrating to see all these NEW beautiful headgears and hairstyles being released and it has been almost two years since they released Viera and Hroth and yet we cannot wear none of these new hairstyles and only a few of the new headgears. With regard to Vieras. they were able to pull it off with the Fending mask in The Hero's Gauntlet where the rabbit ears are poking out on the top of the helm. So if they can do that already, why the inconsistency? It is understandable if they dont conform pre ShB hairstyles and headgear to Vieras and Hroth but every hairstyle and headgear should be wearable by ALL classes since ShB launched. It is saddening and frustrating to see that this is not the case.

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I concur...It makes no sense on why things like the new glamour hats or most of the new dungeon headgear cant be worn seeing as they're developing it alongside everyone else

Now, people keep harping back to the statement that headgear will be limited for the newer races (which is fine, IMO...as long as I can wear my glasses, Im partially good....I still wanna wear the calfskin hat seeing as I've seen pictures of it modded all over twitter for hrothgars and UGH....it looks so good on them!). Im fine for most of t he headgear, but the lack of hairs still boggles my mind. They mentioned wanting to give Viera legacy hairstyles and then backtracked to say that they wanted to give them more racial unique hairstyles, but my question is....why? Why have to develop an entirely new style and putting more work on your team rather than just fitting the originally intended legacy styles to Viera...? Someone mentioned that they speculate that they want to make hrothgars more faces

Since our hairstyles are tied to our faces

More faces = More hairstyles, but it still doesn't even address the elephants in the room

1. Hrothgar are still limited to 2 hairstyles which is freaking lame

2. They would still need to buy fantasias just to change their *hair*. I, for one will not be spending 10$ of my actual money to change something as small as my hairstyle. If I buy another fantasia, I will just go back to being a femroe (which I dont want to do because I freaking LOVE my hrothgar). It'll make my money have more bang for my buck :/

Changed to the pigtails again today. Gritting my teeth and dealing with the stupid flowers on the hairbands for now. My god SE, can we please at least have normal elastic bands instead of flowers??

What I have done to get settled on a Viera appearance is to look at real rabbits breeds. I ended up using the Veena, face 4 base and making her a Lilac Rabbit with the thick Hotot eye rings. I had a Thrianta breed inspired Rava made up, too, but moon bun won over sun bun. It was fun creative exercise.

It’s weird, after bouncing through a frightening amount of fantasias, I feel both Viera and Hrothgar have the best unique, base options of the available races at the point you build your avatar. It’s just that the Aesthetician might as well not exist to us while being a key factor to everyone else. I’m just going to start treating Modern Aesthetics like free gil from those too based to play big cats or amazon buns.

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Originally Posted by MorionQ

What I have done to get settled on a Viera appearance is to look at real rabbits breeds. I ended up using the Veena, face 4 base and making her a Lilac Rabbit with the thick Hotot eye rings. I had a Thrianta breed inspired Rava made up, too, but moon bun won over sun bun. It was fun creative exercise.

It’s weird, after bouncing through a frightening amount of fantasias, I feel both Viera and Hrothgar have the best unique, base options of the available races at the point you build your avatar. It’s just that the Aesthetician might as well not exist to us while being a key factor to everyone else. I’m just going to start treating Modern Aesthetics like free gil from those too based to play big cats or amazon buns.

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They can be so versatile, even with the same faces. Just changing the colours (and clan I guess) . https://i.imgur.com/V8ZDkHx.png (no idea if that link will work)

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Originally Posted by flipwizardmagoo

Changed to the pigtails again today. Gritting my teeth and dealing with the stupid flowers on the hairbands for now. My god SE, can we please at least have normal elastic bands instead of flowers??

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They could've at least added more alts and given you a few choices of flower colors like they do with hairbands on others XD

I'll voice again that not having all the hair and hats is fine for me. I love Viera faces! I love the racially themed hairstyles! As someone most people on this forum would call backwards and old fashioned, having racial locks to armor sets or aesthetics was always something I liked as it added a lot of flavor.

I'd rather Viera get a secondary slot for their head that allows for coloring their specific decorations: ie the diadems and flowers. Also, add more of those. A lot more.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I'll voice again that not having all the hair and hats is fine for me. I love Viera faces! I love the racially themed hairstyles! As someone most people on this forum would call backwards and old fashioned, having racial locks to armor sets or aesthetics was always something I liked as it added a lot of flavor.

I'd rather Viera get a secondary slot for their head that allows for coloring their specific decorations: ie the diadems and flowers. Also, add more of those. A lot more.

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We could still have the racially themed hairstyles and the other hairstyles, though. All of the other races do. Same with the racial gear- and viera/hroth didn’t even get their own racially exclusive hempen set like the other races. I’ve seen it suggested that they may intend to dump as many racial hairs in cc for the expansion as they intend to make collectible styles for everyone else. I guess that’s an alright alternative, but if that’s the case I really hope they take into consideration styles that will fill the style gaps we currently have.

As for a new slot in cc for accessories and dyes....unless they make a change like that to the cc in general I don’t see it happening. They’re barely willing to allocate resources to these races as it is, so I don’t think they’d do something like that. If anything we will see an increase in baked in accessories in different but predetermined colors, like the other races have with bows and hairpins. I’d be happy to see this over nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by HollyJollyPaca

They could've at least added more alts and given you a few choices of flower colors like they do with hairbands on others XD

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The hair bands and ribbons having color options is actually a remnant of 1.0’s customization. We haven’t gotten any variety of that type since.

It would be nice it they would at least say something on the matter. I'd prefer if they just said there's no plan to fix this whatsoever as opposed to being left in the dark with no info.

Is there a good avenue to pester Yoshi for an updated answer?
It's been a long time since I've seen anyone in an interview ask him about this, and it has to really be someone who follows up until we get some real clarity.
No letting him hand-wave it away "we're working on it!" or whatever.

I don't know, some part of me thinks the only way they could possibly justify n o t h i n g for all of Shadowbringers, is because they decided updating the character system for 6.0 is a more practical thing to do, and they'll announce that in May or whatever.
But, probably not lol.

I'm not sure if this is of any relevance or just coincidence, but in the fanfest page under 'keynote address' they used the screenshot of Hroths and Viera, so I'm hopeful it may be a foreshadow for something coming their way.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I'm not sure if this is of any relevance or just coincidence, but in the fanfest page under 'keynote address' they used the screenshot of Hroths and Viera, so I'm hopeful it may be a foreshadow for something coming their way.

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Ooooh link????

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Ooooh link????

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https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/2021/na/

It's from the last fanfest, hence why I'm not sure if it was intentional or coincidental, but I, for one, think it's too convenient they chose that photo

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I'm not sure if this is of any relevance or just coincidence, but in the fanfest page under 'keynote address' they used the screenshot of Hroths and Viera, so I'm hopeful it may be a foreshadow for something coming their way.

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Dont psych yourself up to much man.
I think thats just an old picture from Shadowbringers.
Still...can be argued that they could have used any other picture....so...

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I'm not sure if this is of any relevance or just coincidence, but in the fanfest page under 'keynote address' they used the screenshot of Hroths and Viera, so I'm hopeful it may be a foreshadow for something coming their way.

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This is how desperate it is getting, that one single small picture from last fanfest is like "omg IMAGINE if they actually do...."

One single sentence wouldve been enough "we are working on it, we havent forgotten". *eyes fantasia*

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

"we are working on it, we havent forgotten". *eyes fantasia*

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That would mean its happening; locking them into a promise.
And if they say that and suddenly they cant do it, backlash would be worse.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

That would mean its happening; locking them into a promise.
And if they say that and suddenly they cant do it, backlash would be worse.

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They have said both legacy hairstyles and race specific hairstyles would be implemented in time, though. And I believe them on the racespecific hairstyles. I just believe "in time" can mean 7.0 at this point. It is the complete lack of any response to vieras and hrothgars lack of hairstyles/hats that bother me.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

They have said both legacy hairstyles and race specific hairstyles would be implemented in time, though. And I believe them on the racespecific hairstyles. I just believe "in time" can mean 7.0 at this point. It is the complete lack of any response to vieras and hrothgars lack of hairstyles/hats that bother me.

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Oh you meant hairstyles lol.
I was about to go off on a completely different tangent XD

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Dont psych yourself up to much man.
I think thats just an old picture from Shadowbringers.
Still...can be argued that they could have used any other picture....so...

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Good point. That picture could mean anything, but maybe Im just holding onto false hope (is that the right word), but the second thing you said is also correct: they could have gone with anything from any fanfest...or even a drawing of yoshi P w/ a stick body. IDK

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Good point. That picture could mean anything, but maybe Im just holding onto false hope (is that the right word), but the second thing you said is also correct: they could have gone with anything from any fanfest...or even a drawing of yoshi P w/ a stick body. IDK

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It's either that, or the cynic, admittedly more realistic thought - "ohh look, they're shamelessly using the 2 races they've been completely neglecting as promotional material to get more views!"

Viera and Hroth looking for any signs that we’re gonna get something:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...qyvo1_1280.jpg

Every patch, we be sitting with our faces pressed to the screen for some sort of hint or even the miraculous to happen. Fanfest, please bless the lil kittens and kits who just want to be pretty. uwu

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Originally Posted by HollyJollyPaca

Every patch, we be sitting with our faces pressed to the screen for some sort of hint or even the miraculous to happen. Fanfest, please bless the lil kittens and kits who just want to be pretty. uwu

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Wasnt there in one of the "art liveletters" or whatever they are called that they actually showed different hairstyles for viera? One really cute short with lopsided ears? I wonder where those styles went?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Wasnt there in one of the "art liveletters" or whatever they are called that they actually showed different hairstyles for viera? One really cute short with lopsided ears? I wonder where those styles went?

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Yeah, but idk if we will actually get any of those styles. Kinda seemed like they were just showing off concept art and those got chopped. Edit: more hair found in the old thread-:https://i.imgur.com/62n1naI.png

https://i.imgur.com/swQVOoJ.png

I think they’re both cute but I don’t think they’ll ever be able to implement the lop ears, even if they use the hairstyle.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Wasnt there in one of the "art liveletters" or whatever they are called that they actually showed different hairstyles for viera? One really cute short with lopsided ears? I wonder where those styles went?

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Old threads have art of bunny boys too. This was pre Stormblood from https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ew-Race-Yes-No

https://i.imgur.com/TXmxKJC.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Old threads have art of bunny boys too. This was pre Stormblood from https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ew-Race-Yes-No

https://i.imgur.com/TXmxKJC.jpeg

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Lol reading some of the beginnings of that thread is pretty sad/funny.
“No new races in Stormblood! They need to focus on character creator and give us more options! New races will take away from that!”

....and we got neither that expansion. The same stuff we hear now when the missing genders get brought up. It’s almost like they aren’t gonna touch character creator either way, even if it desperately needs an update.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Viera and Hroth looking for any signs that we’re gonna get something- (Snip)

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"Ah yes! And If you look here- we see the Key Notes! The Key Notes feature the new races of last patch! But then on the SAGE PAGE you see art work of a Viera- which clearly means that Viera are the mains of SAGE- If we take that into consideration paired with the fact that the two races had a few NPC shots of their kind in the trailer... and if you combine the clues and add in a dash of rage from the community...

ALLL SIGNS POINT TO NEW THINGS FOR VIERA AND HROTHGAR!!!!!!!"


2 minutes into Key Notes...When all hopes are Dashed

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...xr17o1_400.gif

"NOT LIKE THIS...EVERYTHING POINTED TO YES....."


Pretty much how I am imagining that will go! LOL

Serious Note though!! I really really just want some information- Is something being done. Or not. That's all.

Hey all, they added a submission form for the upcoming Live Q&A for Digital Fanfest! Be sure to drop the question there so we can try to get an answer for everyone!

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

Hey all, they added a submission form for the upcoming Live Q&A for Digital Fanfest! Be sure to drop the question there so we can try to get an answer for everyone!

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Which one of us is gonna take one for the team and do a face reveal to get answers? :P

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

Hey all, they added a submission form for the upcoming Live Q&A for Digital Fanfest! Be sure to drop the question there so we can try to get an answer for everyone!

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If you are referring to the newly posted thing on lodestone...
Its only for 40 people to participate. and your question is hand picked. You have to be available for a Zoom meeting.( not a big deal save i believe its late at night for some people) and You are limited to 200 characters. Pretty sure anything Viera and Hrothggar are going to be glossed over or chucked out the door unless you say something very specific and even then it would be dismissed.

I considered submitting:

What is your plan to provide better transparency of future works in progress? This coming from the disparaging treatment and negation of answers around Hrothgar and Viera.

but realized that it'd A. Not get picked. and B. would probably come off as bullying yoshi p.

Alternatively, it might not get picked if they plan on addressing it at some point in Fanfest anyway.

However if someone does ask about it I would advise being as concise as possible about what you actually want to know, leaving little wiggle room for it to be misunderstood or easily derailed. Like in my case I specifically want to know about hair implementation, so I would craft a question about that rather than a general question about the races getting updates.

Someone who wanted to specifically know if they intend to fix the hrothgar fantasia issue should probably ask about that and only that. That is actually one issue I’m super curious about...as far as I know they never addressed it as an issue they are working on a solution to, even though anyone can see it’s completely unfair and should be fixed.

A thousand percent agree!!! you have to be very exact and concise.

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Originally Posted by Abaigeal

"Ah yes! And If you look here- we see the Key Notes! The Key Notes feature the new races of last patch! But then on the SAGE PAGE you see art work of a Viera- which clearly means that Viera are the mains of SAGE- If we take that into consideration paired with the fact that the two races had a few NPC shots of their kind in the trailer... and if you combine the clues and add in a dash of rage from the community...

ALLL SIGNS POINT TO NEW THINGS FOR VIERA AND HROTHGAR!!!!!!!"


2 minutes into Key Notes...When all hopes are Dashed

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...xr17o1_400.gif

"NOT LIKE THIS...EVERYTHING POINTED TO YES....."


Pretty much how I am imagining that will go! LOL

Serious Note though!! I really really just want some information- Is something being done. Or not. That's all.

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Just the whole thing that the viera in the sagepic doesnt have a new hairstyle should really tell you all you need to know.

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Originally Posted by Abaigeal

you have to be very exact and concise.

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Yep. Otherwise you get this from Yoshi P and the translator (from left to right).

https://media.giphy.com/media/zkSFsZpQMZuG4/giphy.gif

Seen it happen more than once during a live Q&A. lol

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Originally Posted by Abaigeal

What is your plan to provide better transparency of future works in progress? This coming from the disparaging treatment and negation of answers around Hrothgar and Viera.

but realized that it'd A. Not get picked. and B. would probably come off as bullying yoshi p.

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Also realize, the Viera and Hrothgar Questions have been non-stop. YoshiP has been a good sport and has answered every question thrown at him about it, but you know even this wonderful man will have a limit. When it becomes the only question people ask no matter how many times you've answered it, thats when Questions about Minfilia's favorite type of Sandwich get answered instead.

Plus...transparency....feels like an odd question to ask when they have been transparent with us.
I think you need to reword this somehow....like, maybe something more relating to..."can you the Devs develop a Roadmap System where you share your Plans on what you have in store in upcoming patches? Something like we have this idea/feature planned, and we hope to get it done by X patch"
That would make more sense then asking about Transparency. To me at least

The questions in the community have been nonstop. The questions that actually make their way to Yoship have been maybe once every 6 months since launch and the answers are always vague, at best, and usually revolve around the other genders.

Concrete answers have been given to 100% hat support (not happening) and that more hair is coming, someday. I think people, myself included, are now wanting to know when that someday is planned to be. Is it something we can expect in 6.0? Will it be a big update all at once, or should we expect one or two every now and then? Do they intend to keep hrothgar locked out of the aesthetician for their manes? I think these are questions that could have direct answers and would go a long way in easing the tension. He may not be the right person to ask (lead character designer and team probably have a way better idea of what’s going on with this) but since he’s the only one who regularly does interviews, I would like him to do his best, even if he can’t spend too much time or go into too much detail.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Plus...transparency....feels like an odd question to ask when they have been transparent with us.

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Have they though? The last person that claimed they address this all the time couldn't find a source newer than a year old, and in that video they asked us to "please just wait a little bit longer". Now I don't know what they consider "a little bit longer", but a year is definitely being generous and still nothing.

People are now expecting/hoping we'll finally see something next expansion but the fact that this wasn't communicated in any way beforehand, and we really don't even know for sure if we actually will, isn't what I'd call transparent.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Also realize, the Viera and Hrothgar Questions have been non-stop. YoshiP has been a good sport and has answered every question thrown at him about it, but you know even this wonderful man will have a limit. When it becomes the only question people ask no matter how many times you've answered it, thats when Questions about Minfilia's favorite type of Sandwich get answered instead.

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I was under the impression they haven't addressed the Viera and Hrothgar issue at all, so I'm a little surprised to hear that. Do you remember when they did that? So I can look it up.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Have they though? The last person that claimed they address this all the time couldn't find a source newer than a year old, and in that video they asked us to "please just wait a little bit longer". Now I don't know what they consider "a little bit longer", but a year is definitely being generous and still nothing.

People are now expecting/hoping we'll finally see something next expansion but the fact that this wasn't communicated in any way beforehand, and we really don't even know for sure if we actually will, isn't what I'd call transparent.

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They told us what to expect with the Viera and Hrothgar, that they would have limited hair options, they told us about the headgear issue, they told us that this "may be the last time they could develop new races, so they wanted to both give something thats been requested for a long time, and something they wanted to do that was also requested" not a 100% verbatim retelling, but its what was said.
People every chance they got would try to ask about Male Viera and sometimes Female Hrothgar, and they have addressed this saying that they barley had enough time to do what they did in the 1st place, and that there are resource issues and technical issues atm. If they could implement them in the future, they would.
I call that pretty transparant. And YoshiP keeps answering these questions even though he already answered them.

Also, we still have another fanfest or 2 left before the release of the game, they haven't revealed to us everything to expect out the gate, and they wont till the planned time.
So this lack of transparency Im seeing sounds more like you want answers beforehand, before the planned reveals during the time that they actually talk about these things. Its not like he can just break the news now.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

The questions in the community have been nonstop. The questions that actually make their way to Yoship have been maybe once every 6 months since launch and the answers are always vague, at best, and usually revolve around the other genders.

Concrete answers have been given to 100% hat support (not happening) and that more hair is coming, someday. I think people, myself included, are now wanting to know when that someday is planned to be. Is it something we can expect in 6.0? Will it be a big update all at once, or should we expect one or two every now and then? Do they intend to keep hrothgar locked out of the aesthetician for their manes? I think these are questions that could have direct answers and would go a long way in easing the tension. He may not be the right person to ask (lead character designer and team probably have a way better idea of what’s going on with this) but since he’s the only one who regularly does interviews, I would like him to do his best, even if he can’t spend too much time or go into too much detail.

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I think some of these will be answered soon honestly. If no "Missing Genders" customization options is definitely something that should have been worked on.