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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Or he'll make us kill him just for the greatest, "How does it feel to know you've doomed the world now?" comment with that damned smug grin on his face.

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Ha! That sounds just about right, doesn't it hero?

It seems like the "forces of chaos" we're dealing with are the masses of tempered from the towers since there are Garleans, beastmen, and even dragons amid the individuals being fought in the MSQ duties and Pagl'than.

I'm just further questioning what the heck the true nature/purpose of the towers is between their disturbingly organic interiors, the vaguely human-looking figures embedded in their walls, and Zenos' words at the end of the trailer, though.

The 6.0 locales they previewed make me think the Garlean royal palace has been converted into a central tower that the others are siphoning aether to both to bring about the Final Days from the resulting disturbance and to give Zenos the power he longs for...though I expect he's going to be beaten soundly regardless, which will cue him scurrying off to the moon to claim the whole of Zodiark's gathered power.

Possibly their purpose is to trigger the same type of sound and calamitous effect the mysterious Sound did in the ancient world (seen some stuff based on the light energy spectrum and their reddish beams/the reddish nebula around the world in Amaurot dungeon to suggest that), and stimulate the fear/desire for salvation that in turn can give rise to "primal" battery energy. Though it's an interesting thought that perhaps the purpose of the primals is to be destroyed and act as aether-bombs, as it is very consistent with how they were used in Eden. An effective, fast way to transition the aether of an area and easy to bait a "primal slayer" into doing it, too.

I hope that the reason Tiamat breaks out of her chains is due to Lunar Bahamut being the corpse of her beloved given new life, a last screw you to her to set her into a rage that finally overcomes her grief and despair, and not getting told off by Estinien over a fake version of her beloved.

I suspect Gaius is firing on Valens as he tries to flee after we destroy the weapon, the area surrounding Gaius looks like Welyt countryside we saw with Emerald weapon fight. I would prefer it if the male Au Ra lives as well as the female is clearly going to do something stupid and get in harm's way, and i suspect the male to protect her somehow and heroic sacrifice troupe, which I tire of at this point >_>

So Zenos has managed to walk out of the throne room, barely, still doing very little with him I see.

So we see the mystery light figure in front of the Keeper of the Lake, which is significant. We know this mystery character is going to have a big role in Endwalker, and we know that in Endwalker's 24-man we're going to be solving one of the big hanging myteries left on Eorzea. To me, that all points in one direction - whatever is hidden under Silvertear.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I hope that the reason Tiamat breaks out of her chains is due to Lunar Bahamut being the corpse of her beloved given new life, a last screw you to her to set her into a rage that finally overcomes her grief and despair, and not getting told off by Estinien over a fake version of her beloved.

I suspect Gaius is firing on Valens as he tries to flee after we destroy the weapon, the area surrounding Gaius looks like Welyt countryside we saw with Emerald weapon fight. I would prefer it if the male Au Ra lives as well as the female is clearly going to do something stupid and get in harm's way, and i suspect the male to protect her somehow and heroic sacrifice troupe, which I tire of at this point >_>

So Zenos has managed to walk out of the throne room, barely, still doing very little with him I see.

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Lol couldn’t agree more with your second point. I’m just tired of seeing all of the guys dying and the girl always having to be protected. If she’s being dumb let her die for it !

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I hope that the reason Tiamat breaks out of her chains is due to Lunar Bahamut being the corpse of her beloved given new life, a last screw you to her to set her into a rage that finally overcomes her grief and despair, and not getting told off by Estinien over a fake version of her beloved.

I suspect Gaius is firing on Valens as he tries to flee after we destroy the weapon, the area surrounding Gaius looks like Welyt countryside we saw with Emerald weapon fight. I would prefer it if the male Au Ra lives as well as the female is clearly going to do something stupid and get in harm's way, and i suspect the male to protect her somehow and heroic sacrifice troupe, which I tire of at this point >_>

So Zenos has managed to walk out of the throne room, barely, still doing very little with him I see.

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I'm not shocked Zenos is doing little. This is all Fandaniel's scheme, not his. Zenos just fits into whatever Fandaniel's goal is.

Zenos may end up outliving Fandaniel, but for now Fandaniel is the one pushing the plot forward and is the 'big bad' actually doing things.

I'm assuming Fandaniel is the one who left that pile of weapons there for Zenos to take his pickings from as a means of further appeasing him, as it still seems to be within the royal palace.

I just hope his schemes aren't so short-sighted as to have not taken into account a potential betrayal and are not at all actually reliant on Zenos' cooperation.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm assuming Fandaniel is the one who left that pile of weapons there for Zenos to take his pickings from as a means of further appeasing him, as it still seems to be within the royal palace.

I just hope his schemes aren't so short-sighted as to have not taken into account a potential betrayal and are not at all actually reliant on Zenos' cooperation.

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If Riastrad is correct in what Fandango's scheme is in that he has to die for the full scope of his plan to come into play, he may be counting on Zenos doing exactly just that as a contingency plan.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

So you wouldn't say... feel like you had a personal stake in revenging them, if say, Zenos killed one to see the fire in our eyes? Or Telophoroi boy.

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Great for a Dark Knight quest, maybe. Not so good otherwise. The trope "This time ... it's personal" just doesn't work for Zenos.

I am honestly kind of hoping that Zenos ends up being a red herring of sorts and that Fandaniel's endgame brings about something much worse as our final foe.

5.0's "twist" was pretty easy to see coming in advance, so if they do decide to veer away from the predictable outcome in 6.0, I pray it's more subtly foreshadowed.

Man, I was just excited because I caught Cuchulain in the trailer. The XII version, not the voidsent in VA. Like Adrammelech in CLL, my guess is it's someone using an Auracite to unleash/become him in the new Zone or 5.5s answer to CLL/DR. Part of me wants to see Ultima in her XII/TA appearance, even if RtI was a compromise on her XII/TA and Tactics looks.

EDIT: Now after checking the LL digests, Zadnor is not coming until 5.55, which is interesting, a little sad, because it's less time with the final relics. Also, the "Ifrit" is instead called "The Dalriada", which makes sense that a Legatus' Flagship wouldn't be named after A PRIMAL in the XIV 'verse. Hope we find out how the eff did they actually MAKE such a large ship.

I'm just hoping we see The Undying as the last boss of the 48 man.

Very excited to see what Tiamat'a role will be. I had legit forgotten all about her, but meeting her was one of my favorite scenes in HW.

Visually Zadnor looks a lot nicer than Southern Front. Can't wait to see how that story ends.

As for Allie, I'm guessing that's a fake-out and she's actually piloting G-Warrior, not Diamond Weapon.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Man, I was just excited because I caught Cuchulain in the trailer. The XII version, not the voidsent in VA. Like Adrammelech in CLL, my guess is it's someone using an Auracite to unleash/become him in the new Zone or 5.5s answer to CLL/DR. Part of me wants to see Ultima in her XII/TA appearance, even if RtI was a compromise on her XII/TA and Tactics looks.

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I would love 12’s Ultima tbh. Such a great design and her mechanics are very interesting. Would make for a fun fight i feel.

Looks like the first of the other content are being allowed to escape as well today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FIn5229QMo

NIER! (autotranslate is BAD, but...)

The tower at Paradigm's Breach.

And they revealed that we'd be up against the Red Girls as a major boss as well. I will say again that the keyword is "BREACH".


So, I'm dropping a link to the trailer so people don't have to google round for it if they come past here:

https://youtu.be/mB0p0UyvS-E

The shadowbringers trailer.

Wow.

(0:39) They sure know how to make ships, larger and larger, and yet still TINY compared to the giant in azislaw.
(0:47) okay, combat, now is that solo content, or is there another dungeon in that ship that we've not gotten a hint about?
(0:53) "every living being on this star" ... so yes, there's a backup calamity and frandango has apparently started it off, in world destruction mode, and not just "oops I did it again" mode.
(1:05) Okay, are we seeing IFRIT style weapons? Better, more awesome versions of the level 50 stuff? And is this timestamp us looking at the original crystal that first summoned ifrit?
(1:15) Hello young terminal, didn't we leave you locked in an endless loop of replication and destruction?
(1:21) If this space elevator is how we get our ship... that would just be strange, but it would make the nier raids part of the required storyline...
(1:35) more cloud deck footage, pretty much confirms we'll be jumping from one side to the other.
(1:54) Is this the "important member"
(1:58) Is this "Lunar ifrit" or the ORIGINAL? It seems to answer frandango's bidding, nither would be good to encounter... both of them are one instance of ifrit too much though. Normal, Hard, EX, Unreal, Eden, Lunar. Do we need 6 versions of the fight?
(2:02) Odin. That is all.
(2:07) Ravana. Are things so bad that WE are summoning ever primal we've ever met to try to put this down?

"gorge myself upon the darkened moon" ...

oooh, I shiver.

Any word on what the other new class will be? Whatever 2B is turned into a class maybe? Sword Tech or something?

The most fun rumor is that they just SAID it out right in the trailer.

"Deep down, you're a Slayer"

Because the clues are Band names, Death, and the Scythe.

Just a rumor, but I do love it.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

The most fun rumor is that they just SAID it out right in the trailer.

"Deep down, you're a Slayer"

Because the clues are Band names, Death, and the Scythe.

Just a rumor, but I do love it.

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But Slayer is the name of the accessories the new class would wear. Not sure that points to anything. And the WOL's reputation is that of a primal slayer too.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

But Slayer is the name of the accessories the new class would wear. Not sure that points to anything. And the WOL's reputation is that of a primal slayer too.

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Perhaps the name of the job is Heretic then?

Just realized I heard Arenvald's voice around the 2:09 mark, "Don't you dare! We came together, and we're leaving together!"

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Just realized I heard Arenvald's voice around the 2:09 mark, "Don't you dare! We came together, and we're leaving together!"

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It should be expect that Arevald is there with Fordola since both of them have been assigned to be part of the Anti-Primal task force as shown in the Summoner 5.0 Job quest with both of them acting as the Task Force's Tanks so the summoners can focus on attacking in the back. With Dark primals being the main power units of the enemy's side, the Anti-Primal Task Force should be deployed to the frontlines for this fight.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Just realized I heard Arenvald's voice around the 2:09 mark, "Don't you dare! We came together, and we're leaving together!"

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My transcription of the voiced dialogue in the trailer:

Alphinaud: Our adversary moves against us in unprecedented numbers, compelling us to answer in kind. The outlook, in short, is bleak.

Alphinaud: Yet though our foes are many, and we but few, we may still tip the balance in Eorzea's favor.

Raubahn: Given the enemy's capabilities, we will all need to play our part if we are to have any chance of success.

Raubahn: But if any here should give less than their best, it will be to the cost of every living being on this star.

Fordola: You've got a pretty narrow view of what it means to be a hero, do you know that? You think they're all forged in the fires of battle, that it's all about being brave and killing villains?

Estinien(?): I know you would never turn your back on those in need. Never close your eyes to their suffering.

Arenvald: What in Rhalgr's name happened here?

Fordola: The battlefield's littered with would-be heroes. At this rate, you lot'll be next!

Fandaniel: Destroy them! Destroy them all!

Arenvald: Don't you dare! We came together and we're leaving together!

Zenos: While I await you... I shall drink a sea of souls, and gorge myself upon the darkened moon.

Estinien is the only one I'm unsure about. Others tell me they hear Arenvald or Raubahn, but I'm 90% confident this is our Azure Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I am honestly kind of hoping that Zenos ends up being a red herring of sorts and that Fandaniel's endgame brings about something much worse as our final foe.

5.0's "twist" was pretty easy to see coming in advance, so if they do decide to veer away from the predictable outcome in 6.0, I pray it's more subtly foreshadowed.

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Zenos does look like a distracted red herring in all honesty. The way they emphasised that he sees himself as your "friend" (I had made a Golbez comparison before, but on reflection that's more Emet; Kain/Cecil may be a slightly closer analogy because of the rivalrous lens through which Kain viewed their friendship I guess) further suggests to me that he may change his tack later on. Not as a redemption plot or anything, but solely because Fandaniel threatens to rob him of the only thing he desires, meaning he could turn on him or whatever he is working with for that reason. Also, it's worth noting the stuff about the souls and moon is not in the German or French. There the focus is on his rage and hatred. He is a tool in the end, because Fandaniel is the one with the mystery background, and not him, end boss or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

Visually Zadnor looks a lot nicer than Southern Front. Can't wait to see how that story ends.

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Indeed, it'll make for a nice change of scenery. Apparently on the border of Dalmasca, so I doubt Gabranth will be offed any time soon. Certainly hope not, anyway! I also hope they tie all of it to the MSQ eventually and keep him around as something other than an antagonist.

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Originally Posted by HamiltonCalder

So we see the mystery light figure in front of the Keeper of the Lake, which is significant. We know this mystery character is going to have a big role in Endwalker, and we know that in Endwalker's 24-man we're going to be solving one of the big hanging myteries left on Eorzea. To me, that all points in one direction - whatever is hidden under Silvertear.

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I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but this stood out to me when someone showed it to me...

https://i.imgur.com/MG8703v.png

https://i.imgur.com/8kDKYXS.jpg


With that said, there's quite a few options as to who it might be, and with Hades narrating the 6.0 trailer, I have to wonder...

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

My transcription of the voiced dialogue in the trailer:

Alphinaud: Our adversary moves against us in unprecedented numbers, compelling us to answer in kind. The outlook, in short, is bleak.

Alphinaud: Yet though our foes are many, and we but few, we may still tip the balance in Eorzea's favor.

Raubahn: Given the enemy's capabilities, we will all need to play our part if we are to have any chance of success.

Raubahn: But if any here should give less than their best, it will be to the cost of every living being on this star.

Fordola: You've got a pretty narrow view of what it means to be a hero, do you know that? You think they're all forged in the fires of battle, that it's all about being brave and killing villains?

Estinien(?): I know you would never turn your back on those in need. Never close your eyes to their suffering.

Arenvald: What in Rhalgr's name happened here?

Fordola: The battlefield's littered with would-be heroes. At this rate, you lot'll be next!

Fandaniel: Destroy them! Destroy them all!

Arenvald: Don't you dare! We came together and we're leaving together!

Zenos: While I await you... I shall drink a sea of souls, and gorge myself upon the darkened moon.

Estinien is the only one I'm unsure about. Others tell me they hear Arenvald or Raubahn, but I'm 90% confident this is our Azure Dragoon.

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No, it's definitely not Raubahn or Arenvald. Aside from the accent differing, the difference is starker in the other language versions, in some cases significantly so. Comparing to this it does sound like Estinien is a match:

https://youtu.be/jYvbihm8uQ4?t=29

I'm sure people more familiar with his VA in the other versions could also help confirm it.

I have to say I find Arenvald's excitable, higher pitched JP voice pretty funny in comparison to Yorkshire lad Arenvald from the English one. English Zenos definitely has the creepiest tone of all the voice acting.

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

My transcription of the voiced dialogue in the trailer:

Alphinaud: Our adversary moves against us in unprecedented numbers, compelling us to answer in kind. The outlook, in short, is bleak.

Alphinaud: Yet though our foes are many, and we but few, we may still tip the balance in Eorzea's favor.

Raubahn: Given the enemy's capabilities, we will all need to play our part if we are to have any chance of success.

Raubahn: But if any here should give less than their best, it will be to the cost of every living being on this star.

Fordola: You've got a pretty narrow view of what it means to be a hero, do you know that? You think they're all forged in the fires of battle, that it's all about being brave and killing villains?

Estinien(?): I know you would never turn your back on those in need. Never close your eyes to their suffering.

Arenvald: What in Rhalgr's name happened here?

Fordola: The battlefield's littered with would-be heroes. At this rate, you lot'll be next!

Fandaniel: Destroy them! Destroy them all!

Arenvald: Don't you dare! We came together and we're leaving together!

Zenos: While I await you... I shall drink a sea of souls, and gorge myself upon the darkened moon.

Estinien is the only one I'm unsure about. Others tell me they hear Arenvald or Raubahn, but I'm 90% confident this is our Azure Dragoon.

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In French, it's him, without any doubt.

And I think he is probably talking to Tiamat, convincing her to help the mortal against Lunar Bahamut.

Zenos' words at the end of the trailer make me wonder if the towers aren't just messing with the moon but the aetherial sea/Lifestream below, as well.

That might actually explain the organic components to them since as we know souls normally only leave the Lifestream when new life is born, so perhaps some kind of faux-living mechanism would be needed to simulate that reaction and draw them out.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Zenos' words at the end of the trailer make me wonder if the towers aren't just messing with the moon but the aetherial sea/Lifestream below, as well.

That might actually explain the organic components to them since as we know souls normally only leave the Lifestream when new life is born, so perhaps some kind of faux-living mechanism would be needed to simulate that reaction and draw them out.

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Idk if he’s actually talking about the sea is the thing. He may just go around killing Garleans to get souls but i do want it to be the sea in hopes of him nomming hydy instead.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Idk if he’s actually talking about the sea is the thing. He may just go around killing Garleans to get souls but i do want it to be the sea in hopes of him nomming hydy instead.

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That would kind of go against his fundamental philosophy of preferring to not bother with the weak and also assumes he's evolved into some kind of soul-sucking monstrosity post-resurrection when everything thus far just suggests he's possessed of an Echo comparable to that of an unsundered Ascian.

I think it's more probable that he's going to use some variation of the Resonant technology to further infuse himself with more power that's being gathered from the towers as a side effect of their bringing about the second coming of the Final Days.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

That would kind of go against his fundamental philosophy of preferring to not bother with the weak and also assumes he's evolved into some kind of soul-sucking monstrosity post-resurrection when everything thus far just suggests he's possessed of an Echo comparable to that of an unsundered Ascian.

I think it's more probable that he's going to use some variation of the Resonant technology to further infuse himself with more power that's being gathered from the towers as a side effect of their bringing about the second coming of the Final Days.

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He already did bother with them though when he murdered the entire populares.

He mentioned the dark side of the moon, and considering Zodiark is on the moon and Elidibus was constantly seen there...how much you wanna bet the souls of the Ascians sacrificed to summon Zodiark are there just ripe for the taking?

Yes, curiously that is mentioned in the English trailer, but not the French one, where the focus is on his hatred and anger consuming all - I believe the theme is similar in the German one but I am not 100% about that one. I'd be interested to know what the JP one says. It sounds a bit like poetic embellishment that can be interpreted in many ways.

Regarding any souls consumed to summon Zodiark for their aether, one thing to bear in mind is that he too was sundered. It makes their status something of an unknown, but they could feasibly lie dormant inside him rather than the Lifestream. Frankly, if you want a potent source of soul energy, there is one inside the planet already (and which may extend outside of it into the heavens as well.)

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

He already did bother with them though when he murdered the entire populares.

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That was Elidibus who ordered Zenos' personal guard to eliminate the Populares, then Fandaniel took it upon himself to remove what little influence they might've still had.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Yes, curiously that is mentioned in the English trailer, but not the French one, where the focus is on his hatred and anger consuming all - I believe the theme is similar in the German one but I am not 100% about that one. I'd be interested to know what the JP one says. It sounds a bit like poetic embellishment that can be interpreted in many ways.

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That sounds...strange because Zenos has never really occurred to me as someone filled with rage and hate with how generally aloof he tends to be. Unless perhaps there's another side of him we still haven't seen...?

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

That was Elidibus who ordered Zenos' personal guard to eliminate the Populares, then Fandaniel took it upon himself to remove what little influence they might've still had.

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We literally see Zenos standing over their dead bodies with blade in hand at the end of 5.2 or whatever patch it is lol.

To be fair, the verb tense is "will"/"shall" in French - "my anger will consume the universe, and my hatred shall be without limit" - and something to the effect of "the only thing that boils the blood in my veins shall be the fuel of my hatred" in German - again not 100% sure on that one but it seems right. Yet either way the sort of feelings of emptiness and disconnectedness he experiences can frequently be paired with such emotions, but with the idea that he mainly expresses them through violence, which is the sole activity through which he experiences any sort of emotion. Also, I wouldn't put him past him to slaughter more indiscriminately if it comes to acquiring "fuel" for his plan. He has Fandaniel doing it for him at present but he may pitch in. It's more the lack of reference to the moon or sea of souls that stuck out to me in the other versions.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but this stood out to me when someone showed it to me...

https://i.imgur.com/MG8703v.png

https://i.imgur.com/8kDKYXS.jpg


With that said, there's quite a few options as to who it might be, and with Hades narrating the 6.0 trailer, I have to wonder...

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The light figure could be either Vernath (spelling) or just flat out Hydaelin as its at silvertear lake...

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Yes, curiously that is mentioned in the English trailer, but not the French one, where the focus is on his hatred and anger consuming all - I believe the theme is similar in the German one but I am not 100% about that one. I'd be interested to know what the JP one says. It sounds a bit like poetic embellishment that can be interpreted in many ways.

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On German he says "Mein eisiger Zorn, der das Blut in meinen Adern zum kochen bringt... soll der Brennstoff meines Hasses sein!"

That means something like "my cold anger, which makes my blood boil... shall fuel my hatred!"

...yes im way to tired for a better TL but tbh it does sound kinda weird in german...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

The light figure could be either Vernath (spelling) or just flat out Hydaelin as its at silvertear lake...

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Wouldn't surprise me too much.

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On German he says "Mein eisiger Zorn, der das Blut in meinen Adern zum kochen bringt... soll der Brennstoff meines Hasses sein!"

That means something like "my cold anger, which makes my blood boil... shall fuel my hatred!"

...yes im way to tired for a better TL but tbh it does sound kinda weird in german...

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Ah I see, not too far off then! Thanks.

All this talk of Zenos's hatred and anger reminds me of Zemus/Zeromus from Final Fantasy IV. Zemus being a man consumed by his hatred of humanity to the point of trying to exterminate them, and Zeromus being an immortal Grudge-like entity born of that same hatred. In turn, this makes me wonder whose memories of the Final Days Zenos possesses.

As an aside, can I just say how much of a trip it is to imagine Zenos talking about hatred or anger? I hesitate to say it's out of character for him, but it's pretty surprising to me.

As for the mysterious light figure—my money's on it being Venat. Hydaelyn Herself is likely a being on a much grander scale than that. But, and I'm going to sound like a broken record when I say this, I hope it's Minfilia.

I'm expecting Venat, assuming it isn't somebody entirely new.

The more i think about it the more its true... Zenos is rather cold, maybe dislikes stuff, looks down on you... but hate, anger...? he never seemed the type for it. He murdered his father in cold blood, without even hesitating a second he slit his throat and just as cold he returned to life - heck he literally went "ehh might as well resume the hunt" lol

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Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

I'm expecting Venat, assuming it isn't somebody entirely new.

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Same here. While talking with her, I'm expecting us to start getting Echo flashbacks of the summoning of Hydaelyn or of our past self's interactions with her.