You know, SE should learn a lot from World of Warcraft. At least in that game, Blizzard cares about the raid content
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You know, SE should learn a lot from World of Warcraft. At least in that game, Blizzard cares about the raid content
should just stop replying to them
just baiting
Or maybe SE should be allowed to develop the game with concept they want to, not to follow WoW steps to only be shamed for this couple of years later because that's what this player base will inevitably do at some point.
FF14 isn't perfect or something and there are tons of things they can and should improve (and they do, although sometimes slower than wanted), but if you love WoW raid system so much - maybe FF14 raiding just isn't for you. This game's primary focus never was in raids nor raiders, it was and is in story and social interactions outside of dungeons (as much as it's unpopular on the west).
I don't know if you know this,
Yoshi P had mentioned that SE had benchmarked WoW a lot since the ARR. Of course, it's hard to find MMORPG that didn't benchmark WoW...
So I think there's no point of saying SE should learn a lot from WoW... the basic game system is already from WoW.
That being said,
I think this is the priority that most of the players probably agree with.
Endwalker>Ultimate>Bozja savage
To make people calm down and bring peace back,
SE might need to clarify that they had to choose Edenwalker instead of Ultimate reluctantly, and Bozja savage has nothing to do with Ultimate in terms of costs.
But if that's not the case, like they really did choose Bozja savage over Ultimate... then.. i dunno.. just sad...
And the real problem is the bad decision making that put the dev team in this situation. They shouldnt plan the 2nd ultimate to be released in 5.5 to begin with.
Even without the pandemic, developing a new ultimate at the end of the expansion likely to have conflict with the new expansion since it’s known that ffxiv dev team has always been understaffed. And unlike some other contents such as eureka or bozja ultimate is not something you can release an unpolished version to meet the deadline and patch it later.
And personally what frustrates me most is they didnt announce it when 5.4 was out. They are fully aware that a lot of players formed static, pushed for week 1 and grind for BiS for ultimate. If the fight is 70% done now it would be pretty obvious they were also behind back then.
As many rightfully mentioned here, people who care about ultimate raid is a minority and their sub doesnt matter, why dont they announce it earlier to save those people’s time and money.
I don't think its even remotely possible to cut Bozja savage without cutting Bozja. They haven't cut Ultimate, merely delayed it because of the effects of the pandemic. It pretty much-delayed everything by 4-6 months. I'm sorry but delaying Ultimate which is made for 1% of the player base or cutting or delaying the next expansion is the right call. They literally said they couldn't do it in time because of the covid delay and getting Endwalker ready. If they had delayed Endwalker further, the majority of the player base would have up to a year without content and those of you moaning that you don't have Ultimate would have long unsubbed and vanished onto the next thing, or would be criticising the devs for the content drought. Essentially its a no brainer, bring a new expansion or 1 tiny bit of content, the tiny content lost. I hear a lot of people moan about casuals, and the content being made for them, but funnily enough, they are the ones that actually keep the game alive while Most HC raiding flit in do the content and then leave. In terms of value to the health of the game, it comes down to the bigger group, and the "casuals" are always going to win on that front. I class myself as semi-casual as I clear most savage tiers and despite everything, have managed to keep a constant sub bar 1 or days since ARR launch. In terms of content in this game, I can safely say there is A ton of it, the problem for a lot of players who call things "Garbage" is that the content is not to their liking. I often wonder though, if they fed back what exactly they didn't like about it to this forum, other than saying "its garbage" maybe the devs would have some basis to actually adjust the things people don't like.
Why is it that toxic threads like this always persist for DAYS..
Can we not just make a post about how dissatisfied we are about what we are dissatisfied with, instead of asking rediculous questions like this? :L
@OP: as far as i gather, ultimate wasnt "cut", it just wasn't ready by whatever internal deadlines they had set for content between internal matters and covid delays (going so far as yoshi bringing out the ShB project manager in person to explain exactly how his job works and what it entails, including scheduling deadlines and other overheads).
so it has simply been given the time it needs to get completed properly, which will be by 6.1
I'd say only people who are invested enough (certainly more than the average player) would even bother loggin in here in the first place(I'm no exception lol), so I understand why tensions can be a bit on the high side. I don't really mind. The overwhelming majority is decent people in real life I'm sure.
Same with the players you meet in game. Almost all I meet are really nice. I just think in this echo chamber people conflate what the vocal minority says with what the majority of players are like.
And as much as it sucks to loose your preferred content, imagine YoshiP would have cut parts of the MSQ to preserve Ultimate. Imagine [that] shitstorm. lol
SE can't please everyone so they went with what mathematically makes sense. I'm not saying I always like it myself but it's the most sensible thing to do when you think about it, unless I'm forgetting a few details.
I love how some of you are giving reason to FFXI players with this type of argument, the excuse of social interactions and history is bad when all this was achieved by FFXI.
You are trying to say that FFXIV is a simulator of social interactions like Second Life instead of an MMORPG like GW2, Wow, BDO, PSO2.
The problem is ... why should we trust? It is not that the content that has been removed to be able to put another type there returned, since Stormblood has not seen a second dungeon per patch
?????
Blizzard's errors with Wow come from very different situations, blaming the content of "Raid" is having no idea and what's more, the raid content along with the PVP are the reasons why people continue to play the game.
Yeah, I know - I miss having 2 dungeons / patch.
But like, I've waited the entire expansion for some possibility of any new hairstyle for Viera, and even thought they mentioned how we'd be getting them - just been absolute silence on that front. So trust isn't exactly at highest for me either.
Just quick question i dont know if people have asked this haven't read all the posts, But i have seen people say if there will be not 3 ultimate they are cutting it or something like that what i want to know? is it confirm that we would get 2 ultimate in Ew or are people just assuming that just because we got 2 in the past or something. because if that the case it feels like the tank and healer thing before the shb and people got mad because what the they assumed was wrong
It helpful to think about what kind of content Ultimates are, what they require from a development perspective, and what is happening in Endwalker.
Ultimate's are finely tuned raid fights, require a ton of playtesting, a ton of math, and have to be perfectly adjusted.
Endwalker is giving us a stat squish, where various fights throughout the entire game will need to be rebalanced, new stat values calculated, etc.
So its likely the same people working on both of these projects.
Rushing out Ultimates would mean delaying that stat squish, and they clearly don't want to wait until 7.0 to do that. Even if they did, that would just mean delaying the next Ultimate, so just kicking the can down the road.
Nothing to do with Bozja.
I never said ultimates was the same as savage. The way this post read is they should have cut bozja 48 man for ultimate. I don't see the point of making this post with the 48 man already out. The way it was explained said that it either you get your ultimate and delay the expac or get the expac out and push(or in some ppl eyes cut) the ultimate. I personally would have made the same decision in forcing on the expac. Bozja is here and it not going anywhere and there are ppl who was looking forward to the 48 man bc they enjoyed BA.
Also, the OP tried to insult me by calling me a casual and I'm not going to take that. As I said in my post I am doing the ultimates, I do raid and do pretty much 90% to 99% of all content they offer. So to try to insult me as he did I'm going to be vocal about it. There are all types of players in this game and that why I like it. I don't hate hardcore players or casual players. Also the OP doesn't seem like he has any empathy or sympathy for those who are affected by the pandemic. This isn't your normal game development year, we are still in the middle of a pandemic and also coming off one of the worst years the world has seen. So maybe instead of thinking about only himself he should be thankful we got any content at all this past year and we getting a expac in the fall. But hi as I said in my posts you, him and everyone else has the right to voice your complaints and tell into the void of the internet but the toxicity of this post will do only land on deaf ears bc it coming from a OP who sounds like a entitled little brat that is crying and bitching that he didn't get his way.
P.S your English was just fine so no worries
How about instead of cutting content (like bozja and ultimates) we cut OP
Like people have said, there is the little problem of the surge in Covid-19 in Japan recently. So of course there will be sacrifices, and it is harder to make Ultimates than it is to make Bozja.
Yoshi P did say that they will do two ultimates per expansion back in SB.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._bad_news_for/
As I mentioned on the previous page, these aren't likely two competing assets.
Development of the new Ultimate most likely impacted progress on the upcoming stat squish far more than Delubrum Reginae. In fact I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if entirely different people worked on the fights.
Ultimate's don't really require much in the way of new graphical assets, it's more of a balancing project.
Also the last Ultimate came in patch 5.11, not 2 years ago, barely over 1 year.
There's no need of cutting any contents. I also think that making delays may solve the problem. But they could have delayed Bozja savage not Ultimate. Casual players basically DO NOT participate in Bozja SAVAGE, and the same goes for Ultimate.
The HC raiders overwhelmingly want Ultimate more than the Bozja savage, and there's no doubt about that.
Then, don`t you think it's pretty obvious which one to choose, right?
Need to note that these are based on the assumption that the cost that is to be spent on Bozja savage and Ultimate is the limited common factor that is available for only one of them.
Not many of HC raiders are angry about Endwalker having priority over Ultimate. They are angry about Bozja SAVEGE having priority over Ultimate.
Endwalker is not only for casual players. It's a way too big content to say that it's only for casuals. It basically is THE GAME itself. So I think making confrontation between casual players and hc players about Endwalker is completely inappropriate.
In addition, like LyraleiManagem said, Unless they release 3 ultimates in EW then it is virtually cancelled. There isn't much chance...but we'll have to wait and see about that.
So the delay isn't really a delay.. it'll more likely be a cancellation
Also, aside from that, having the delay announcement at this point is absolutely not understandable. They could have announced it way earlier. So many statics are formed. So many players were preparing for the Ultimate since December. It's not like it takes such short period of time to develope ultimate content. They probably did know that the Ultimate isn't going to make it on time way earlier. SE said only 70% were done. That means they probably knew it's not going to make it way earlier than that. They eventually wasted people's money and time, and they could have prevented that.
I think these are the reasons that people are mad at SE, and all of these sounds reasonable and pretty much make sense to me overall.
The new 48 man is much longer, many more fights, requires essence and duty actions to be taken into consideration, design of new judge set for rewards. The only thing it doesn't have is an exclusive transition that ultimate get.
And yes, if we don't get 3 ultimate next tier, it's considered cut content. This new 48 content made no sense what so ever. It just forced more HC players who focuses mostly on raid to do casual content like Bozja.
As I've already said, I have no intension of insulting anyone! I just simply thought that you didn't try the ultimates. I really love the ultimates, so i'm so glad to hear that you are doing them!
The situation really isn't great.. I said lots of things about the ultimates and priorities... But the undeniable fact that really matters is that Covid is screwing us up.;;
P.S Thanks!
I wish you stop talking like you know how much work goes into designing content for this game and what the dev team during behind closed doors. You, not a designer, shoot you most likely never code anything in your life. You don't know what they doing, what they prioritizing, who working on what, or how long it takes to make stuff for this game. You just sound like a know it all, who actually doesn't know anything about game design or MMO design. Most of Bozja may been done by another team or a mix of ppl. They can't force all the time in the development just for ultimates, if they did the game be even more drier and you most likely never get a expac. So before you shart shooting your mouth how about do a little research and see whats goes into making your beloved ultimates. As many have told you if you not happy move to another game. You seemed to really like what WoW is doing so go there for a while and take a break from FFXIV.
I think you right. It just makes me mad when ppl talking about what makes content when they have no clue what goes into what makes said content and the amount of stress the team may be under especially during a pandemic. As a software developer, I know first hand the stress of making something under a tight deadline and then something comes up and throws everything out of the loop. It's not fun and something is out of the team's hands when that type of stuff happens. The OP sounds like a brat who had his toy taken away.
I don't think they'll remove Ultimate, but it's clear they won't have an Ultimate after every Savage tier. Moving forward to the third expansion of the Ultimate era, the only thing people can expect is to have at least one Ultimate in the next expansion, tentatively planned for the .1 patch. Anything more than that is not a given.
Vahlnir is referring to a specific content that's already been in development: the Dragonsong War Ultimate, which has not been cut, but pushed back to 6.1.
How many Ultimates there will be in the next expansion has not been revealed, and whether they're cut would depend on if they're already planned.
I think Blizzard cares too much about raid that they overtune them and then have to nerf and fix bugs during world first race or even after.
I think I remember the guild master of the world first guild Limit saying people who clear mythic after a certain point is not even playing the same content as like the top 3 (or whatever ridiculously low number) guilds because of the nerfs/changes that Blizzard makes.
COVID isn't a good excuse. My company managed to set up a VPN so we can work from home pretty fast. SE is a large multi billion dollar company, it's insulting to think that they're not able to set up a work from home setup like everyone else can.
To clarify:
Ultimate only has the one guy working on it. Each of the previous Ultimates were the same. If that one guy gets busy with something else, then work on the Ultimate just stops.
And it's not like anyone else can just go and pick up the slack. There are only 3 people on the Battle design team that have the skill and know how to make such mechanically tight encounters. All of them are senior members, and would also be working on the expansion.
Even if they were free, the other 2 guys wouldn't just go and "finish off" their colleague's work. That individual would have ideas about the encounter the others may not catch on to, or they add something that original designer disagrees with.