"Return to Ivalice" Stormblood's 24 Man Raid

Why would anyone be excited for what is going to be old, outdated content the moment it releases? SB made acquiring good gear quite easy, and so there isnt even any need to "catch up" on anything. Look at the party finder - barely anyone interested in the Ex Primals anymore. O2S down for a large part of the playerbase, and those with ambitions to get higher have statics, and those who dont care dont need weak catch-up gear.

This baffles me.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

Why would anyone be excited for what is going to be old, outdated content the moment it releases? SB made acquiring good gear quite easy, and so there isnt even any need to "catch up" on anything. Look at the party finder - barely anyone interested in the Ex Primals anymore. O2S down for a large part of the playerbase, and those with ambitions to get higher have statics, and those who dont care dont need weak catch-up gear.

This baffles me.

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Because story, something new, nostalgic references and glamours are more interesting than fixating on just Omega content? Let people be people man dont be a stiff.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

Why would anyone be excited for what is going to be old, outdated content the moment it releases? SB made acquiring good gear quite easy, and so there isnt even any need to "catch up" on anything. Look at the party finder - barely anyone interested in the Ex Primals anymore. O2S down for a large part of the playerbase, and those with ambitions to get higher have statics, and those who dont care dont need weak catch-up gear.

This baffles me.

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This is been going for 4 years and it's Staple for the game now. The exciting thing bout it it's that this isn't any "extra" content, as someone in Reddit pointed out, they are getting Matsu to actually LINK both worlds together. So take it as part of the FFXIV lore. This isn't your typical 24 man raid.

Agrias armour for tanks or riot!

Been wanting it forever, don't rob me of this chance!

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Originally Posted by Mature

This is been going for 4 years and it's Staple for the game now. The exciting thing bout it it's that this isn't any "extra" content, as someone in Reddit pointed out, they are getting Matsu to actually LINK both worlds together. So take it as part of the FFXIV lore. This isn't your typical 24 man raid.

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Link being a fairy tale (as far as we currently know).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Link being a fairy tale (as far as we currently know).

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The FFT story is a fairytale. Ivalice itself is a landmass located north of Othard.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

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Why are you even playing XIV? This baffles me.

I love the fact they handed over the WHOLE raid to Matsuno san something that didn't happen with pasts raids.

Could this be the return of the Matsuno!?

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Originally Posted by Mature

I love the fact they handed over the WHOLE raid to Matsuno san something that didn't happen with pasts raids.

Could this be the return of the Matsuno!?

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I hope he creates Final Fantasy XVI......imagine
No more final fantasy roadtrips around las vegas (FFXV)

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

Why would anyone be excited for what is going to be old, outdated content the moment it releases? SB made acquiring good gear quite easy, and so there isnt even any need to "catch up" on anything. Look at the party finder - barely anyone interested in the Ex Primals anymore. O2S down for a large part of the playerbase, and those with ambitions to get higher have statics, and those who dont care dont need weak catch-up gear.

This baffles me.

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Better stop playing all video games because they all become old content.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The FFT story is a fairytale. Ivalice itself is a landmass located north of Othard.

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How far north (also when was that said)?

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...kfurt_13-1.jpg

It was from someone who made a translation during the broadcast. It was posted in Reddit. How north it was, there was no mention, it simply said "sands north of othard"

We know that Rabanastre/Dalmasca is in Ilsabard (the cloud covered area next to Othard), Gaius at one point asks a soldier where he's from and he replies Dalmasca (I believe, it's been a while), and Livia was also known for her fearsome reputation in Dalmasca.

It's slightly different than saying where Ivalice itself is (and it'd still be a different Ivalice from the Ivalice Alliance games) but we've known some areas with the same name as the Ivalice areas exist in Hydaelin, we just don't know EXACTLY where yet.

Got a question.

Return To Ivalice. Is this just a raid or is there going to be an actual explore-able Rabanastre city for normal PVE story?

I thought it was simply a raid series but the patch notes are confusing me.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

Got a question.

Return To Ivalice. Is this just a raid or is there going to be an actual explore-able Rabanastre city for normal PVE story?

I thought it was simply a raid series but the patch notes are confusing me.

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It's the raid series for 4.0, like Mhach is for 3.0 and Crystal Tower for 2.0.
I am curious though as to which patch notes made you confuse.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

We know that Rabanastre/Dalmasca is in Ilsabard (the cloud covered area next to Othard), Gaius at one point asks a soldier where he's from and he replies Dalmasca (I believe, it's been a while), and Livia was also known for her fearsome reputation in Dalmasca.

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Although you're right about Ilsabard being that clouded area north west of Othard (and thus where FFXIV's version of Rabanastre/Dalmasca are), it was not Gaius who asked those soldiers where their birthplaces were, it was actually Nero (he was trying to locate an Ala Mhigan spy, and the English version does not include the FFXII reference, the other soldier merely replies "Othard" - it was only in other languages that this was stated). The scene in question was the cutscene at Castrum Occidens that played when you took an airship for the first time and Gaius and his tribunes were first introduced.

Either way, given the aforementioned statement that the FFT story is "an old Garlean legend", it seems to me this is just going to be a raid version of the Minstrel's Ballad, where the events are so far in the past no one is alive who even remembers it other than as cultural memes, instead it all takes place in the player character's head, their imagination filling in the blanks about what happened then. But either way, we'll find out soon enough whether I'm right or horribly wrong. ;)

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

It's slightly different than saying where Ivalice itself is (and it'd still be a different Ivalice from the Ivalice Alliance games) but we've known some areas with the same name as the Ivalice areas exist in Hydaelin, we just don't know EXACTLY where yet.

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True, and it's not just FFXII areas that are name referenced in Hydaelyn, there's the Crystal Tower, World of Darkness and soon Forbidden Land Eureka from FFIII (as an ancient Allagan power station, alternate dimension and a former Ala Mhigan training ground respectively), as well as Gold Saucer and Costa del Sol from FFVII (as a amusement part/casino in Thanalan run by Godbert and a resort town owned by a rich Ul'dahan in La Noscea respectively) and even some places from non FF games are showing up (Palace of the Dead from Tactics Ogre ~ Let Us Cling Together).

All these places are NOT their 'original' forms, they're all lore specific to FFXIV's lore and merely reference those past FF games in name and enemies/situations only without directly being those places. And I believe the 'Return to Ivalice' raid is going to be the same.

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Originally Posted by Rasler_Heios

It's the raid series for 4.0, like Mhach is for 3.0 and Crystal Tower for 2.0.
I am curious though as to which patch notes made you confuse.

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Return to Ivalice
In the world of FFXIV, the Final Fantasy Tactics story is a well-known fairy tale known by anyone from Garlemald. Keeping the FFT story as a base, it also has an essence of FFXII. Return to Ivalice has been designed in such a way that those who do not know either of these can also enjoy it as well. Players will enter Rabanastre as the first part of their journey.

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My mistake it was the recent live letter news. It says players will enter Rabanastre as part of the journey. Which makes me think an explorable city. So if it is a raid and it keeps the base story. What would the raid be like? Full city under siege or something, or the Garamsythe Waterway? The vague wording(imo) seems more like an actual city with npcs and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

My mistake it was the recent live letter news. It says players will enter Rabanastre as part of the journey. Which makes me think an explorable city.

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I was actually wishing that it will be an explorable city before the recent LLP38.
Anyways, the first raid dungeon/area will be named Rabanastre, that's what I take from what you quoted, like Void Ark for the Mhach series.

Walking around in Rabanastre crafting and fishing..gah.. I didnt know how bad I wanted this. XD

Does anyone got a date or has it been announced after stream when is it coming out?

I understand it says early October. Will that be Tuesday the 3rd? Or Tuesday the 10th?

Can't remember when past ones were released (was it October as well?)

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Originally Posted by Mature

Does anyone got a date or has it been announced after stream when is it coming out?

I understand it says early October. Will that be Tuesday the 3rd? Or Tuesday the 10th?

Can't remember when past ones were released (was it October as well?)

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10th is my vote

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

10th is my vote

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I think it might be on the 3rd instead due to the timing of next live letter and the number of weeks since last big patch.

Can only get so excited for another hallway. Hope the gear looks FFT like and not something ugly.

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Originally Posted by Recaldy

Can only get so excited for another hallway. Hope the gear looks FFT like and not something ugly.

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Matsuno is in charge of the whole thing so I have faith that he will create a proper FFT gear. I'm betting on Medieval stuff.

I really hope that we fight Gafgarian and that we get to see Worker 8 and Mustadio.
So much hype for this

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Originally Posted by jackass1203

I really hope that we fight Gafgarian and that we get to see Worker 8 and Mustadio.
So much hype for this

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That could be cool, but is a 24 man dungeon, so bosses will be huge to make them visible, I don't think we will have human-size enemies, aside trash mobs (like the ninjas on Cyrstal Tower).

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Originally Posted by Mature

Matsuno is in charge of the whole thing so I have faith that he will create a proper FFT gear. I'm betting on Medieval stuff.

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unless they change how it works it' infact another hallway I love this game but after years of playing it I don't get exited for dungeons or 24 man raids anymore they are all the same easy boring bland content trashmob>boss>mob>boss>mo>boss>boss scripted and easy requires no teamwork despite being 24 man raid trials. reduce the amount of mobs and hp they take and intead of 24 you take 8 and the experience is exactly the same. The only true 24 is labyrinth and wiping city of mach because they are actually fun requires everyone to work together.

^tbh as long as it's fun and entertaining that's all that matters to me. Difficulty level should be on par with CT I'm hoping

Usually on a Tuesday, so probably like Oct 10th, or 17th.

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Originally Posted by Mature

^tbh as long as it's fun and entertaining that's all that matters to me. Difficulty level should be on par with CT I'm hoping

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I'd hope for it to be around the same difficulty as the Shadows of Mhach storyline (specifically Weeping City and Dun Scaith, where the bosses have interesting mechanics and the third boss is a decent challenge). The CT series only had one or two actually interesting bosses in them. Angra Mainyu and when she didn't melt due to high ilvls, Scylla.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I'd hope for it to be around the same difficulty as the Shadows of Mhach storyline (specifically Weeping City and Dun Scaith, where the bosses have interesting mechanics and the third boss is a decent challenge). The CT series only had one or two actually interesting bosses in them. Angra Mainyu and when she didn't melt due to high ilvls, Scylla.

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the most memorable for me was cerberus That mechanic that you had to shrink and fight inside his stomach while the party is fighting outside was just freaking mind breaking me the first time it happened I was screaming of joy at seing something new happening.

It's easy to criticize the design but what would you do if they let you create a ffxiv raid?
And just throwing random ideas isn't design. Give a blueprint from A to C and let's judge it. This goes in general to anyone complaining about ffxiv raids.

Sometimes I wish the devs would come here and challenge people: What would you do?
If it's not broken don't break it with bad ideas from complainers

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

...Sometimes I wish the devs would come here and challenge people: What would you do?
If it's not broken don't break it with bad ideas from complainers

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It is easy, mainly because if things fall short they don't have to pay the price. I think the runs have been amazing, it's just that after a while people run it so much it seems easy.

I am excited for it, I've had a blast on them since the beginning. The players on the other hand make the runs a bit difficult. Bone Dragon from CT for example. Very easy fight but no one wants to follow the basics, and that causes a bit of a problem. KB also took people time, and even then people would wipe due to laziness.

Scylla was done really well, and I still smile whenever I see Amon. They've all been very interesting and amazing in their own way, and I am excited for this one.

Though it would be something to see people who complain go "Here's my idea" just to be on the other end of it all. Learning that a single persons ideas maybe aren't the best but being critical in a helpful way is better than going "omg what where they thinking? seriously.."

Anyways, took a break but now I'm back ready to see what's coming up!

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

the most memorable for me was cerberus That mechanic that you had to shrink and fight inside his stomach while the party is fighting outside was just freaking mind breaking me the first time it happened I was screaming of joy at seing something new happening.

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That was neat, but the fight itself wasn't really all that interesting. Especially when you compare it to Ozma and (especially) Scathach.

And here I am hoping we get some sort of blog updates regarding RTI soon lol

Hopefully we get a bit more inside into this raid at TGS! just keep an eye

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Originally Posted by Mature

Hopefully we get a bit more inside into this raid at TGS! just keep an eye

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Hopefully, though LLP39 is scheduled next week and that one is part2 of the 4.1 features which include this Return to Ivalice raid.

I have a feeling that Elidibus might play a role in the Ivalice story as well. Would make sense since there is a character named Elidibus in Tactics iirc.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaHero69

I have a feeling that Elidibus might play a role in the Ivalice story as well. Would make sense since there is a character named Elidibus in Tactics iirc.

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Well all the Ascian names come from Ivalice. As well as Zodiark.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaHero69

I have a feeling that Elidibus might play a role in the Ivalice story as well. Would make sense since there is a character named Elidibus in Tactics iirc.

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I doubt it, since his role is more important to the MSQ. Altima, on the other hand...