Fix Sumnmoner

More mistifying is the pitifully short range of the pets' aoe moves or the cooldowns on them. Not to mention Enkindle's cooldown that's another level of silly.

But they repeat that a lot in this game. The ninja's mug and assassinate have pretty low potency, but for some reason an execute ability only usable at 20% health not only does as much damage as a second step of an ability chain, but has a 1 minute cooldown to boot. A monk's Howling Fist is a slightly stronger rockbreaker on a similarly long cd.

They just seem fond of placing inane cd's on unremarkable abilities for no reason whatsoever.

For once I agree with something Akiza said. Back in the first year of ARR, Yoshi-P was asked if they had plans to put more emphasis on the pet. His answer back in 2013, was that he did not have any plans for this as they did not want to confuse new players. Fast forward one year, and ninja was said to have such high DPS/utility because of the complexity of the class. So apparently some classes are designed for less skilled players and others are supposed to be designed for more complex players? Is that what I'm hearing? I think (or I at least hope) that SE is finally listening to the player base about SMN. Some people have asked for crazy drastic changes. I for one think that the damage from the summoner will always be DoT based, and I'm totally fine with that. I do hope it's changed to elemental DoTs just fore lore sake. I also would like to see a much heavier focus on the pet. The summoner should have more abilities like enkindle where the summoner commands their pet to use an ability.

They just need to fix dot tracking.

SMN vs any world boss = shooting in the dark as to whether your dots will show up or not.

They need to fix a lot more than DoT tracking unless they want to be forced to design endgame content around the Summoner every time they think about adding new content.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

They just need to fix dot tracking.

SMN vs any world boss = shooting in the dark as to whether your dots will show up or not.

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This tends to affect every class with DoTs, not just even arcanist.

Yeah, WoD is a nightmare for any class with important dots to track. Summoner for festers and a monk who needs to know about demolish uptimes.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

They just need to fix dot tracking.

SMN vs any world boss = shooting in the dark as to whether your dots will show up or not.

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I'm not sure if this applies here, but you can filter target settings so that only your debuffs show on the Target Bar. That doesn't fix your problem?

Or is it like DRG's Disembowel where Disembowel doesn't stack therefore if another DRG throws disembowel up yours disappears?

SMN/MNK should definitely be stacking though..

You can filter the settings so that only your debuffs show on the target.... But if its not on those first 30(?) they still wont show. Plus you cant see if virus has been used or not so can end up wasting it. Also cant see other debuffs like trick attack or foes requiem so its hard to see when you maximise damage

omg. 2 of the most infamous people in the forums joining up. /shock

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Originally Posted by Sequora

For once I agree with something Akiza said. Back in the first year of ARR, Yoshi-P was asked if they had plans to put more emphasis on the pet. His answer back in 2013, was that he did not have any plans for this as they did not want to confuse new players. Fast forward one year, and ninja was said to have such high DPS/utility because of the complexity of the class. So apparently some classes are designed for less skilled players and others are supposed to be designed for more complex players? Is that what I'm hearing? I think (or I at least hope) that SE is finally listening to the player base about SMN. Some people have asked for crazy drastic changes. I for one think that the damage from the summoner will always be DoT based, and I'm totally fine with that. I do hope it's changed to elemental DoTs just fore lore sake. I also would like to see a much heavier focus on the pet. The summoner should have more abilities like enkindle where the summoner commands their pet to use an ability.

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I agree it seems weird. One of the hardest classes to optimize and the worry is on not making the pet too complex/significant? People who don't care about being good can just keep their Pet on Sick if it's too complex, since they already do with how simple it is anyways.

The only major thing will be the balance of pets taking too much/too little, as if there is great emphasis on the pet and it dies....well, people think there are a ton of SMN threads popping up now, that'll make the forums explode.

Don't want to have the pets tanking fights either (Ramuh EX)

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Originally Posted by scribble92

You can filter the settings so that only your debuffs show on the target.... But if its not on those first 30(?) they still wont show. Plus you cant see if virus has been used or not so can end up wasting it. Also cant see other debuffs like trick attack or foes requiem so its hard to see when you maximise damage

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I can, I assume, still see antibody up as a buff on my target if virus has been used every time (maybe it's not every time, but I have no reason to doubt) and I currently filter out all but my own debuffs, though I'm considering going back to showing all... It would be nice if SE could allow us to blacklist or whitelist certain things. QoL change for heavensward????? :D

I did a 24 smn ct2 run. It was a lot of fun but annoying when your dots wouldnt apply to the boss because of the sheer number. Stupid limit XD

I need Ruinga (Ruin III). AoE burst.

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Originally Posted by scribble92

I did a 24 smn ct2 run. It was a lot of fun but annoying when your dots wouldnt apply to the boss because of the sheer number. Stupid limit XD

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The dots do apply and do damage. You just can't see them as the interface only supports a certain display cap of debuffs. You can test it so that when you apply all your dots and they don't show up, do a fester and you'll see you get a full potency fester.

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

The dots do apply and do damage. You just can't see them as the interface only supports a certain display cap of debuffs. You can test it so that when you apply all your dots and they don't show up, do a fester and you'll see you get a full potency fester.

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There are two limits though.

The first is the DoT display limit that's 30. The second is the actual DoT limit on a mob which was roughly 60 or so and at that point you can't apply DoTs anymore until some fall off. Many times have I seen a Fester do no damage if I couldn't see any of the DoTs to begin with even though I just used all of them.

Yeah, I suppose the cap still exists I just haven't been that unlucky (and that reminds me of those horrible open world Odin farms). Either way it's one more annoyance summoners need to put up with ;(

It's why I hate WoD on SMN.

Noone plays SMN in WoD, so typically its not that bad, with only the occasional dot loss, and never dot drop.

...But I still play BLM anyway so I can afk.

Loool, from LLP.

http://imgur.com/snkHrdL

No new egis. Rather than making any changes to them or adding more, they thought it would be more interesting to focus on the player rather than the pet. So much for being a pet class.

At least we might get carbuncle reskin? Yay?

Please tell me I heard that wrong...and they didn't just say no new pets.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Please tell me I heard that wrong...and they didn't just say no new pets.

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As I stated in my post. No new egis. They want us to focus on the player rather than do anything to the egis.

So instead of new pets Summoner and Bahamut do fusion

Sounds like they're getting WoW's Demonology Warlock treatment(Metamorphosis), where you change form.
You take on the power of Bahamut for some time and then switch back.
Instead of more summons they went for becoming a summon yourself?

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

As I stated in my post. No new egis. They want us to focus on the player rather than do anything to the egis.

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Oh I know, it was more so rhetorical. Like...think the way Samuel Jackson says it lol.

Welp..I don't have anything nice to say about their choice so I shall say nothing at all, and just "wait and see".

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

Sounds like they're getting WoW's Demonology Warlock treatment(Metamorphosis), where you change form.
You take on the power of Bahamut for some time and then switch back.
Instead of more summons they went for becoming a summon yourself?

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I wouldn't call it becoming the summon so much as buffing yourself. No change in your character's appearance. You use aetherflow to get stacks of a buff. When you have enough stacks you activate Dreadwyrm Trance (another buff), and when you have the Dreadwyrm Trance active, you get a new attack.

Excuse me, I am going to find some lady bug to Ahk Morn.

So, in 2.2 we were promised egis. They completely broke SMN in 2.4. Now we find out we don't get the new egis we were promised and no mention of the "balancing" of the pets that had been mentioned before many times. Time to roll BLM. SE seem way more interested in making sure BLM are saved even if it's at the expense of other classes.

Where does this information come from anyway, suddenly I just see an new post that says nl new egis, but no link to where the info can be foumd?

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Originally Posted by Kuponutz

So, in 2.2 we were promised egis. They completely broke SMN in 2.4. Now we find out we don't get the new egis we were promised and no mention of the "balancing" of the pets that had been mentioned before many times. Time to roll BLM. SE seem way more interested in making sure BLM are saved even if it's at the expense of other classes.

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Feeling better and better about that decision I made to make both SMN and BLM zetas...

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Where does this information come from anyway, suddenly I just see an new post that says nl new egis, but no link to where the info can be foumd?

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The live letter happening right now. Or rather, finishing up right now.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

The live letter happening right now. Or rather, finishing up right now.

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Yeah I noticed, but I sorta missed it, did they outright say no new egis, cause if they did SE is really dumb, since that was one of the biggest things people wanted. I know I want my Shiva.

Who cares about new Egi's when you can Akh Morn stuff? lmfaooo

Yeah, they said no new Egis, but more of a focus on the SMN. Each use of Aetherflow gives you a stack of something else, which when you have enough lets you enter Bahamut Trance and use Akh Morn.

http://i.imgur.com/snkHrdL.gif

Edit: they did mention about possibly reskinning the current Egis in the future as an option.

Keep in mind new new egis, but the existing egis are getting new stuff they said

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

^ Not a bad idea. Tri - 3 spells. Could even make it full duration DoTs & give an appropriate CD.

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Called it. Or maybe Romsca did (the post above my quote) and I just tweaked it a bit to make it a version more inline with what I believed we would get.

Bit let down on no new shiva/ramuh/levi but...

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Who cares about new Egi's when you can Akh Morn stuff? lmfaooo

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We'll just have to see how it all works out at Lv60. :)

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

Called it. Or maybe Romsca did (the post above my quote) and I just tweaked it a bit to make it a version more inline with what I believed we would get.

Bit let down on no new shiva/ramuh/levi, but we'll just have to see how it all works out at Lv60.

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Really glad Tri-Disaster will be useful. Probably never going to use Tri-Bind, but I love the new Tri-Disaster.

Can probably thank the weekly SMN threads for the lack of new egis. What's the point of making new ones if people are going to spend 90% of their time bitching about the way they look cause "I NEED TO SUMMON A FULL PRIMALZ". With the trinity system, they were just going to play the same as the old ones anyway. May as well just work on re-skins.

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Originally Posted by Dement

Can probably thank the weekly SMN threads for the lack of new egis. What's the point of making new ones if people are going to spend 90% of their time bitching about the way they look cause "I NEED TO SUMMON A FULL PRIMALZ". With the trinity system, they were just going to play the same as the old ones anyway. May as well just work on re-skins.

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Yeah sadly it was a double edged sword

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However, I’m sure many are wondering if they will have to continue looking at the same egi forever, but we are planning to add a system in the future that will allow you to change the appearance of your egis, including Carbuncle, but their stats will remain the same.

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Source
From the Digest Thread.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

Source
From the Digest Thread.

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I just want Leviathan-Egi to have piercing damage instead of the slashing damage Ifrit-Egi has.