Should we be limited to only one craft class?

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

U are totally impartial to create a poll like that, that all. Ok is a fact that if u want to level up all crafts to 100,u will need a mule, then add too that your class will feel more unique, and add on the other one that if we all can level up all crafts, economy as crafter will be a shit, and crafters will never win money more than spended.

That are facts too, but u are using what you want to tip the balance.


is too dificult to ask this?:
Like this if u want to be limited to level up only 1 craft
Like this if u dont want to be limited to level up only 1 craft

stop trying to influence on a poll.

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Just edit them like he says at least so we can continue on topic and not "your poll is weakz " every time.
Anyone with a brain can decipher the message in the poll but make it fool prove.(since apparently people here cant be "influenced or they make the wrong choices, o noes !)

The choices are worded with obvious bias. Of course people want to be free rather than pay for another account but...

I think the benefit to being able to only master one craft is that then you as the crafter will become better known and sought after.
The market wouldn't be flooded with stuff that no one can make gil on.
Players would be less faceless. As of right now everyone can have 50 in everything, where is the fun in that when there is no individuality?

I'm all for Mastering One Craft.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

U are totally impartial to create a poll like that, that all. Ok is a fact that if u want to level up all crafts to 100,u will need a mule, then add too that your class will feel more unique, and add on the other one that if we all can level up all crafts, economy as crafter will be a shit, and crafters will never win money more than spended.

That are facts too, but u are using what you want to tip the balance.


is too dificult to ask this?:
Like this if u want to be limited to level up only 1 craft
Like this if u dont want to be limited to level up only 1 craft

stop trying to influence on a poll.

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Stop being a sore loser the poll is so onesided even with your efforts.

Fact the only reason the economy is messed up is because people have million of gill right now. the crafting had nothin to do with it. stuff still sells very fast so your fact is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

In ffxi people still had a load of crafts maxed on a different char.The only difference is you paid the extra money, i for one had smith maxed on my char and was trying to cap weaver on my mule , wich i never completed becouse i didnt want to reroll sub crafts over and over again.

this have nothing to do with economy, if people want to have multiple crafts maxed, they will have multiple crafts maxed.hardcore crafters anyways, the rest this wont affect in anyway i can see.

The issue here is this is money maker mechanic and a bad move because since people lived with it in 11 they think they can pull the same crap here.

Edit; the only REAL way to make it so only few people have some crafts maxed is to make the crafting processes difficult or long.Capping chars to one craft is meaningless regarding this.(for hardcorecrafters anyways who are the ones mostly affected by this)

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is different, lots of people will not create a mule to level up a new craft to max, and probably these people will level up that craft if they can on their main character.


And stop saying something stupid like "i will lose my levels" etc. SE will never downlevel you, what they are trying to do, is not allow to level up you more than 50 or 60 in future expansions.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

The choices are worded with obvious bias. Of course people want to be free rather than pay for another account but...

I think the benefit to being able to only master one craft is that then you as the crafter will become better known and sought after.
The market wouldn't be flooded with stuff that no one can make gil on.
Players would be less faceless. As of right now everyone can have 50 in everything, where is the fun in that when there is no individuality?

I'm all for Mastering One Craft.

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Its not bias its a fact.

damn you people are silly. IF YOU CAN ONLY RANK ONE CRAFT ON ONE TOON THEN IN ORDER TO RANK ANOTHER CRAFT YOU NEED ANOTHER TOON!!!!!!!!!!

THAT IS A FACT

THE POLL WILL NOT BE CHANGED!

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Originally Posted by DNO

Great point and as you said it a million times it can not be more true. people will still rank more then one craft but you people are fighting to ask SE to charge you for it and lose some ranks on some peoples crafts. thats not right.

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I leveled one craft and made millions upon millions of gil. I only needed one craft because I knew masters of the other crafts and would ask them for synths.

SE's design isn't to make you buy several accounts, you do it anyway and they thank you for it. It is the dev's hope that everyone gets together to help each other out. People like party play... even crafters.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

is different, lots of people will not create a mule to level up a new craft to max, and probably these people will level up that craft if they can on their main character.


And stop saying something stupid like "i will lose my levels" etc. SE will never downlevel you, what they are trying to do, is not allow to level up you more than 50 or 60 in future expansions.

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Which means my second craft will be gimped and my time wasted.

SE should have had this limit at the start so i would not have wasted my time.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

The choices are worded with obvious bias. Of course people want to be free rather than pay for another account but...

I think the benefit to being able to only master one craft is that then you as the crafter will become better known and sought after.
The market wouldn't be flooded with stuff that no one can make gil on.
Players would be less faceless. As of right now everyone can have 50 in everything, where is the fun in that when there is no individuality?

I'm all for Mastering One Craft.

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So if I responded to your post by changing craft to class, you would still be for it? It would be equally valid.

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I think the benefit to being able to only master one class is that then you as the player will become better known and sought after.
The market wouldn't be flooded with stuff that no one can make gil on.
Players would be less faceless. As of right now everyone can have 50 in everything, where is the fun in that when there is no individuality?

I'm all for Mastering One Class.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

is different, lots of people will not create a mule to level up a new craft to max, and probably these people will level up that craft if they can on their main character.

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And not many people would level more than 1-2 crafts to max level anyways, this will only affect hardcore crafters , like i specified, hence it means nothing for the rest. The possibilities of hardcore crafters re-rolling for +2 crafts maxed are high and is why SE take this route, to take advantage of that.I seen it before, this is not an unique case.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

And stop saying something stupid like "i will lose my levels" etc. SE will never downlevel you, what they are trying to do, is not allow to level up you more than 50 or 60 in future expansions.

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I have Never in the whole thread said that even once, in fact i have said exactly what you say here multiple times.Hope you mean someone else but ill dig it like it was directed to me since you quoted me.

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Originally Posted by Darium

So if I responded to your post by changing craft to class, you would still be for it? It would be equally valid.

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no of course not because other MMOS do it so it ok blah blah blah

You are correct sir. SE limit DoW and DoM and see what happens

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Originally Posted by DNO

Its not bias its a fact.

damn you people are silly. IF YOU CAN ONLY RANK ONE CRAFT ON ONE TOON THEN IN ORDER TO RANK ANOTHER CRAFT YOU NEED ANOTHER TOON!!!!!!!!!!

THAT IS A FACT

THE POLL WILL NOT BE CHANGED!

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The poll is seeded with obvious bias. The results of this poll may or may not be looked at seriously.

Yes what you said is true. But what are the benefits to having the ability to master one craft? What is the harm of listing the pros and cons presented in this thread in the poll choices?

All caps says to me that you know exactly what we're saying and are throwing a tantrum over it.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

It is the dev's hope that everyone gets together to help each other out. People like party play... even crafters.

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So have group crafts where you need more than 1 crafter together. Don't limit me.

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Originally Posted by Darium

So if I responded to your post by changing craft to class, you would still be for it? It would be equally valid.

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+1

You know what pisses me off about this thread.
The very "solo" "casual friendly" "i want to play my way" people are the ones wanting to get restricted.

i will never understand this community.

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Originally Posted by DNO

Stop being a sore loser the poll is so onesided even with your efforts.

Fact the only reason the economy is messed up is because people have million of gill right now. the crafting had nothin to do with it. stuff still sells very fast so your fact is wrong.

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My fact is wrong coz u said it? lol thanks but u are not god. U have no sense of economy and only want to level up so many as u want. You know what is a fact? that u will be restricted to one craft and that all. And i still say your poll is totally trying to influence people to vote what u want. Is obvius, but seems u are so kid to accept a constructive criticism and change it to impartial mode. I didnt ask you to clean votes or something, only to ask it properly:) have fun with your poll.

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Originally Posted by Darium

So if I responded to your post by changing craft to class, you would still be for it? It would be equally valid.

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I'm not sure what you mean... weaver alchemist etc are classes.

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Originally Posted by Darium

So have group crafts where you need more than 1 crafter together. Don't limit me.

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Missing my point and twisting what I'm saying. lulz to you.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

I'm not sure what you mean... weaver alchemist etc are classes.

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So are GLA, ARC, MRD...

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

My fact is wrong coz u said it? lol thanks but u are not god. U have no sense of economy and only want to level up so many as u want. You know what is a fact? that u will be restricted to one craft and that all. And i still say your poll is totally trying to influence people to vote what u want. Is obvius, but seems u are so kid to accept a constructive criticism and change it to impartial mode. I didnt ask you to clean votes or something, only to ask it properly:) have fun with your poll.

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thanks i am bye.

If people want to rank up other classes how would they do that then genius? if we are limtied to one class how would they do it? explain to me how paying for another toon is not true?

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Originally Posted by Darium

So are GLA, ARC, MRD...

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That's right

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Missing my point and twisting what I'm saying. lulz to you.

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No he is not. he is saying crafts are getting limited so should DoW and DoM you would be all for that right???

Didnt think so lol

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Missing my point and twisting what I'm saying. lulz to you.

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No, I understand and agree that this game should require group effort. But my answer is to incorporate the group requirement into crafting, not limit a person from lvling crafts.

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Originally Posted by DNO

No he is not. he is saying crafts are getting limited so should DoW and DoM you would be all for that right???

Didnt think so lol

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It wouldn't be a bad thing.

There are plenty of games that do this. Everyone would cry on the forums, adjust to the new playstyle and keep playing.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

As i said over there, it sounds like they want to limit "mastering" a craft to 1
that doesnt nesisarily mean you cant max out the levels in each

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Ya I think people misinterpret the quote as saying "you can only have one craft to 50" when they meant that later on they may have it where you can only take one craft to the top.

if SE did decide on something like this I would suggest the following.

When you choose a craft to rank up past 50, instead of gaining skills for that class you earn a new form of guild marks called DoH Marks, which basically let you obtain your future abilities. Instead of gainging an ability every few levels you'll earn DoH Marks which will allow you to purchase the abilities past 50. They would be designated as to which class "should" get them but you would be free to choose the ability as long as your class rank is high enough to purchase them. Unlike other abilities that unlock from class quest these ability would only be accessible if you DoH Class of choice past 50 was the proper level. So even if you did have 15k to purchase the lv 70 ability if you are only lv 59 you wouldn't be able to purchase it.

This would allow the user to freely gain all the ability but not to the point where they can horde GM til they claim all abilities even if they aren't the proper rank to use it.

Though a big problem I see with this is it does take away from the ability to view all class quest since we can assume each one will continue up to level cap each time it's raised. So I guess another method could be this.
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You can rank up all your crafting classes however you can only "specialize" one. What is specialize? Specialize is basically a fancy name that means you can only have one craft class in which you can do special synths that you couldn't do if you didn't confirm that craft as your specialized craft.

Benefits of Specialization:
Ability to repair Grade 7-10 dark matter.
Special synths such as Carpenter's ship hull synths, Blacksmith Cannon making, Alchemist Gunpowder, etc just to note some examples.

Basically the idea would be sure you can rank everything to cap but you can only dedicate yourself to one and once you do you won't be able to change it for your character no matter how much bellyaching or regret you have over it. However, it's not something you have to decide right away, you can look into it at your own pace and decide which craft you want to focus on. This way, when SE does decide to show us what the whole shipbuilding concept is about people won't be able to craft all the materials themselves and only need others just to put it together lol.

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Originally Posted by Darium

No, I understand and agree that this game should require group effort. But my answer is to incorporate the group requirement into crafting, not limit a person from lvling crafts.

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Developers tend to take on the easiest route this days, i think this complain is on perfect time and completely valid.
If we could change the vote to a more neutral ground we can give our cause even bigger weight common DNO!

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Originally Posted by Darium

No, I understand and agree that this game should require group effort. But my answer is to incorporate the group requirement into crafting, not limit a person from lvling crafts.

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They are related, but they're 2 different topics if you think about it.

What would be the pros to being able to only master one craft (I shouldn't have to add this but...) to a normal player with one account?

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Originally Posted by Airget

Ya I think people misinterpret the quote as saying "you can only have one craft to 50" when they meant that later on they may have it where you can only take one craft to the top.

if SE did decide on something like this I would suggest the following.

When you choose a craft to rank up past 50, instead of gaining skills for that class you earn a new form of guild marks called DoH Marks, which basically let you obtain your future abilities. Instead of gainging an ability every few levels you'll earn DoH Marks which will allow you to purchase the abilities past 50. They would be designated as to which class "should" get them but you would be free to choose the ability as long as your class rank is high enough to purchase them. Unlike other abilities that unlock from class quest these ability would only be accessible if you DoH Class of choice past 50 was the proper level. So even if you did have 15k to purchase the lv 70 ability if you are only lv 59 you wouldn't be able to purchase it.

This would allow the user to freely gain all the ability but not to the point where they can horde GM til they claim all abilities even if they aren't the proper rank to use it.

Though a big problem I see with this is it does take away from the ability to view all class quest since we can assume each one will continue up to level cap each time it's raised. So I guess another method could be this.
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You can rank up all your crafting classes however you can only "specialize" one. What is specialize? Specialize is basically a fancy name that means you can only have one craft class in which you can do special synths that you couldn't do if you didn't confirm that craft as your specialized craft.

Benefits of Specialization:
Ability to repair Grade 7-10 dark matter.
Special synths such as Carpenter's ship hull synths, Blacksmith Cannon making, Alchemist Gunpowder, etc just to note some examples.

Basically the idea would be sure you can rank everything to cap but you can only dedicate yourself to one and once you do you won't be able to change it for your character no matter how much bellyaching or regret you have over it. However, it's not something you have to decide right away, you can look into it at your own pace and decide which craft you want to focus on. This way, when SE does decide to show us what the whole shipbuilding concept is about people won't be able to craft all the materials themselves and only need others just to put it together lol.

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This have been discussed before , basically the bottom line is if you can have only 1 specialization , is the same as being "level" capped but with different methods.You are restricted to one only .meaning if you want a different one you need to re-roll

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

They are related, but they're 2 different topics if you think about it.

What would be the pros to being able to only master one craft (I shouldn't have to add this but...) to a normal player with one account?

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Supply and demand

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Developers tend to take on the easiest route this days, i think this complain is on perfect time and completely valid.
If we could change the vote to a more neutral ground we can give our cause even bigger weight common DNO!

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ok you beat me fine ill change it.

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Originally Posted by DNO

ok you beat me fine ill change it.

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thank you !.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

It wouldn't be a bad thing.

There are plenty of games that do this. Everyone would cry on the forums, adjust to the new playstyle and keep playing.

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I'm not sure but based on this post, I think we are now on the same side...

Anyway, let me try and explain myself better. If I changed your quote to read...

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I think the benefit to being able to only master one Combat class is that then you as the player will become better known and sought after.
The market wouldn't be flooded with stuff that no one can make gil on.
Players would be less faceless. As of right now everyone can have 50 in everything, where is the fun in that when there is no individuality?

I'm all for Mastering One Combat Class.

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My point is, if you are going to limit on type of class you should do it for all. Now, if they do, I'm ok with it. My problem is only limiting the DoH.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Supply and demand

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I bet you 20% of the population will have more then 1 job ranked to 50 and even less will have two crafts rank to 50.
you are ONLY right if more then 70& of the people have EVERY class rank to 50.... that will never happen.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

thank you !.

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ahahha no problem lol

ninja edit:

I had to beat the "pure speculation" angle (even to i have a link in th op!!)

So i guess i will have to lose this battle on the basis thread. you are corredt i do want this to be taken seriously and arguing about the OP will not help. So i changed it.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

It wouldn't be a bad thing.

There are plenty of games that do this. Everyone would cry on the forums, adjust to the new playstyle and keep playing.

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Ever wondered that a lot of people currently playing do so because multiple classes on one char since game sucks so much in about almost every other aspect?.

I for once would be definitively gone.if they did that to DoW or DoM.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Ever wondered that a lot of people currently playing do so because multiple classes on one char since game sucks so much in about almost every other aspect?.

I for once would be definitively gone.if they did that to DoW or DoM.

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o by far.

i mean i rank to cap in DC universe and stopped playing.... i mean grinding is a key for some people.

Yeah, this game would pretty much be dead to me if they do this.. It's bad enough they are tearing character customization out piece by piece. This would be crossing a Huge line IMO.

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Originally Posted by DNO

I bet you 20% of the population will have more then 1 job ranked to 50 and even less will have two crafts rank to 50.
you are ONLY right if more then 70& of the people have EVERY class rank to 50.... that will never happen.

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This can also be applied to people who will get multiple accounts just to master other crafts...


Also I think you misunderstood the original post which makes this thread/poll seriously inaccurate.

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エオルゼア通信のロングインタビュー読んだけど
今後クラフターに関しては１クラスのみ極められるとか制限入れるっぽい事言ってるなぁ
もしＲ５０以上でシーソー入れて来たら修理が大変になりそうだ
In future crafter will be restricted/allowed to master 1 class only

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Originally Posted by DNO

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mer-2011/page2


In this thread it seems SE wants to limit us to only being able to level one craft class. What do you think?

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I think what the original quote implies is that you can level all of your crafts to 50, however you will only be able to Master One.

So a r50 master alchemist (such as myself) could make Batraal Glue but as a plain 'ol r50 goldsmith I wouldn't have access to master goldsmith recipes.

I actually like this idea better than the way it was in ffxi.

So when it comes down to it your poll isn't really relevant until you edit it haha. But w/e it's your poll you can do what you want.

It's not going to matter anyway.

Surprised that this soap opera of a thread hasn't been canceled yet. Baseless speculation and QQing over things we have *ZERO* facts about, just a translation of commentary from 2ch about an answer that could very well have been misinterpreted by the original commenter, is pointless and sad and the OP should be ashamed of himself.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

This can also be applied to people who will get multiple accounts just to master other crafts...


Also I think you misunderstood the original post which makes this thread/poll seriously inaccurate.




I think what the original quote implies is that you can level all of your crafts to 50, however you will only be able to Master One.

So a r50 master alchemist (such as myself) could make Batraal Glue but as a plain 'ol r50 goldsmith I wouldn't have access to master goldsmith recipes.

I actually like this idea better than the way it was in ffxi.

So when it comes down to it your poll isn't really relevant until you edit it haha. But w/e it's your poll you can do what you want.

It's not going to matter anyway.

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Dude thanks but i understood completely.

you have to understand that once the capp raises i WILL NOT LONGER be able to repair all my gear. that means im rank 70 MRD and i ranked ARM and BSM and GLD to 50 to repair everything now i wasted my time because i can only take one further. do you understand? If i knew i could only rank one class i would not have wasted my time getting those jobs to rank 50 if when the cap is rasied it will be useless.

I also spent 3-4 months on each craft not JUST to repair everything but to make gear for myself. So if i can not make high level gear and sell it or wear it in this case its useless. Its like having a rank 40 DoW in the rank 45 raid (which i can not even enter). whats the point?

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Originally Posted by DNO

Dude thanks but i understood completely.

you have to understand that once the capp raises i WILL NOT LONGER be able to repair all my gear. that means im rank 70 MRD and i ranked ARM and BSM andGLD to 50 to repair everything not i wasted my time because i can only take one further. do you understand? If i knew i could only rank one class i would not have wasted my time.

I also spent 3-4 months on each craft not JUST to repair everything but to make gear for myself. So if i can not make high level gear and sell it or wear it in this case its useless. Its like having a rank 40 DoW in the rank 45 raid (which i can not even enter). whats the point?

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Why wouldn't you be able to repair all your gear?

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

This can also be applied to people who will get multiple accounts just to master other crafts...


Also I think you misunderstood the original post which makes this thread/poll seriously inaccurate.




I think what the original quote implies is that you can level all of your crafts to 50, however you will only be able to Master One.

So a r50 master alchemist (such as myself) could make Batraal Glue but as a plain 'ol r50 goldsmith I wouldn't have access to master goldsmith recipes.

I actually like this idea better than the way it was in ffxi.

So when it comes down to it your poll isn't really relevant until you edit it haha. But w/e it's your poll you can do what you want.

It's not going to matter anyway.

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And I feel if they do that (which would be fine) they need to also carry that philosophy to all classes.

So a r50 CON could only be a WHM not any other job.