WHat new healer spell you want to see in the expansion?

Sliprain - Water damage and may inflict Slow. (but aoe)
Evade Magic - Allows user to avoid damage spells.
Spellbound - Buffs last longer on the user.
Magma - Powerful earthquake rocks enemies. Quake-elemental damage.
Renew - Fully restores HP of targets with radius.
Dispelga - Removes all detrimental effects via aoe.

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A bouncing heal buff. Bounces to the nearest target after the target affected is hit.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

A bouncing heal buff. Bounces to the nearest target after the target affected is hit.

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There was a Chain Heal in a certain Korean MMO I used to play that would...well...do exactly that, albeit instantaneously and with healing based on percentage of HP missing up to a certain max %, starting with the most-injured nearby friendly target and decreasing in power with each jump.

I remember it being MP-intensive, but very powerful in the right situation.

Scholars should get a Curaja-like skill.

AoE %maxHP heal dependent on how many stacks of Aetherflow available.

Skill will consume all existing stacks (like how Flare sucks all MP).

Assuming Scholars will get an increased Aetherflow stack, at 4 stacks it will AoE heal 40%maxHP, 3 stacks 30%maxHP so on and so forth.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

There was a Chain Heal in a certain Korean MMO I used to play that would...well...do exactly that, albeit instantaneously and with healing based on percentage of HP missing up to a certain max %, starting with the most-injured nearby friendly target and decreasing in power with each jump.

I remember it being MP-intensive, but very powerful in the right situation.

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I'm thinking of Prayer of Mending, a wow spell that I haven't seen replicated in any other game I've played since, and I stopped after the first expansion. you'd cast it on someone, and when they were hit it would apply the heal and bounce to the closest friendly. It was incredible for dual tank situations, healing MDPS, and any other aoe situation. I've wanted to use it again for years.

I wouldn't mind a trait to upgrade Fluid Aura so you can use it on players too >.>

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Originally Posted by Greven

I wouldn't mind a trait to upgrade Fluid Aura so you can use it on players too >.>

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This ^

AOE Knockback please.

More water spells in general would be nice. Getting sick of throwing rocks at people.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Because bad Tanks exist. Cancel the enmity-generating buffs before they use provoke/flash, think about the boss fights where the DPS are ignoring adds, so all the adds come to you. I'm thinking about future content that actually leverages this to discourage the current trend of "keep casting regen/medica II and then DPS to faceroll"

As it is, in current content I avoid casting Regen/Medica II until absolutely necessary because it makes the tanks job harder.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I'd be more than happy if they just removed the Cleric Stance "buff" inside dungeons so that the entire Tank-Healer-DPS mechanic works as designed. That said, you do not need to agree with me, but I would rather any upgrades to WHM be entirely focused on healing and not DPS.

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It's not hard to click off a HoT before pulling... And it only takes 3-4 ticks for it to outdo a cure. As a tank I'd prefer healers to be mana-efficient in their healing insofar as it allows them to dps between casts. And as a healer, I do often find myself in the optimal position for gathering adds for the sake of the tank and dps... I won't do that in the presence of adds who can one-shot me, of course, (unless a dps would otherwise be one-shotted before the tank could grab it and I can kite it to the tank without being hit, etc.) but the whole 'only tanks should *ever* have threat' and 'healers are for healing *only*' is really not conducive to just about anything. In the end, speed is dps, and the tank and healer are both there to aid dps. The Tank-Healer-DPS trinity has always been exactly that -- power, and derivative power (support). Sometimes that's best done by just not dying. But there is no reason to hold back on dps just because your class is equipped with mitigation tools or healing spells unless it would otherwise cost a higher-potential member his own dps to dodge/mitigate/self-heal/tank(lose positionals)etc.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

It's not hard to click off a HoT before pulling... And it only takes 3-4 ticks for it to outdo a cure. As a tank I'd prefer healers to be mana-efficient in their healing insofar as it allows them to dps between casts. And as a healer, I do often find myself in the optimal position for gathering adds for the sake of the tank and dps... I won't do that in the presence of adds who can one-shot me, of course, (unless a dps would otherwise be one-shotted before the tank could grab it and I can kite it to the tank without being hit, etc.) but the whole 'only tanks should *ever* have threat' and 'healers are for healing *only*' is really not conducive to just about anything. In the end, speed is dps, and the tank and healer are both there to aid dps. The Tank-Healer-DPS trinity has always been exactly that -- power, and derivative power (support). Sometimes that's best done by just not dying. But there is no reason to hold back on dps just because your class is equipped with mitigation tools or healing spells unless it would otherwise cost a higher-potential member his own dps to dodge/mitigate/self-heal/tank(lose positionals)etc.

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Discussing any kind of healer DPS issue with this person is a waste of time. I'm not going out of my way to be unkind, but it's true.

As we've learned from several other threads, KisaiTenshi has a very rigid, cookie-cutter notion of how role mechanics should work, and this notion clashes with how the mechanics actually work.

The problem is that these players don't try to learn more efficient playstyles because they don't think that they should be required to play the entirety of their role. Unfortunately, because they are not practiced with playing their Jobs fully, they seem to believe that no one else is capable of playing differently without creating some kind of hardship or risk for their parties; they simply don't understand that it's possible to shift your gameplay fluidly from healing to DPS and back again as the situation changes.

*takes the hijacked thread in for landing*

Thanks for the concise info on that, Cynfael.

On topic, more than any new spells, exactly, from healers, what I'd like to see is more dynamic use of the dps abilities we already have. However, I'm drawing a blank for SCH and have no knowledge base by which to discuss AST, so the examples will only be for WHM at the moment.

- I'd like to see Fluid Aura be more than just a per-30-seconds-bonus-damage-spell-that-you-use-if-you're-not-really-busy-and-happen-to-be-close-to-the-boss ability. It's useful, for sure, in dungeons, but it becomes mostly irrelevant elsewhere. I'd like to see it have dynamic use, similar in that regard alone to Aetherflow stacks, that regenerates based off more than just time (e.g. DoTps, HoTps, mana consumption, mana regeneration, whatever). Ideally, I'd also like to see that use be selectively any of (1) current/immediate (knockback and damage), (2) offensive/combined, or (3) supportive/cleansing. I'll explain the last two, briefly.
* The offensive/combined use would be to allow Fluid Aura to be used on the same target as the previous (of certain) offensive cast(s), for a second or so, and deal bonus/combined effects upon doing so. For instance, Aero II + Fluid Aura would cause the 'Drown' effect (take that as you will); Aero I to Fluid Aura will allow the knock-back at range, albeit for reduced damage and distance based on that distance; and Aero III + Fluid Aura, if the ability is every given, would cause... something of a typhoon.
* The supportive/cleansing use is basically a oGCD, mana-less (unless Fluid Aura, if spent otherwise, could have given you back some mana) cleanse, that can be placed even just slightly before a status effect would befall the target and absorbing it in the target's place.

(The main idea is simply to make Fluid Aura a (relatively versatile) water spirit residing inside you, of which you learn additional means of use with increased class level. And, as a bonus to making a somewhat stale spell more interesting, we get some bonus DPS variance, a well-desired cleanse, and maybe more.) ...Anyone remember when (1.0 job lore) there was supposed to be a water spirit residing in our AF coat? Yeah, like that.

P.S. It's also the only way I can think of warranting our having only a single, and (currently) cooldown-limited water spell in a three-element Conjurer arsenal.
P.S.S. Who knows, maybe eventually we can see spell-mixing in most classes, and maybe even between players? THM casts Fire combined with CNJ's Aero, Aero + Featherfoot for wind-based counterattack kick action... >.>

Wish List for Offensive WHM DOT Spells:

If you want to go the Holy Route:
DIA - Holy/Light Element, DOT, Has a Defense Down Effect on the Target

If you want to go the Elemental Route as in the CNJ Story:
(Insert Water Type, Since We already have the Fluid Aura) - Water Element, DOT

For Whm:
*Dia- Light DoT
*Banish- Light dmg spell
*Esunaga- Either a spell or Esuna trait?
*Devotion- Sacrifices HP to grant a party member the same amount in MP

For Sch:
*Increased Aetherflow stacks with lvl cap raise.
*Tabula Rasa- Spells that normally use Aetherflow to cast cost no Aetherflow stacks for X amount of seconds. (10-15 secs?)
*Libra-(Classic Scholar skill but I can't figure out how it can be implemented in this game lol) Maybe... Extend the buff/debuff your spells for X amount of seconds?

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Originally Posted by Roll

For Whm:
*Devotion- Sacrifices HP to grant a party member the same amount in MP

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doesn't sound very WHM'ish

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Originally Posted by Roll

For Whm:
*Libra-(Classic Scholar skill but I can't figure out how it can be implemented in this game lol) Maybe... Extend the buff/debuff your spells for X amount of seconds?

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it might be overpowered, but Libra as a analysis kind of spell should boost damage on the target or lessen accuracy needed on the target or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Roll

For Whm:
*Dia- Light DoT
*Banish- Light dmg spell
*Esunaga- Either a spell or Esuna trait?
*Devotion- Sacrifices HP to grant a party member the same amount in MP

For Sch:
*Increased Aetherflow stacks with lvl cap raise.
*Tabula Rasa- Spells that normally use Aetherflow to cast cost no Aetherflow stacks for X amount of seconds. (10-15 secs?)
*Libra-(Classic Scholar skill but I can't figure out how it can be implemented in this game lol) Maybe... Extend the buff/debuff your spells for X amount of seconds?

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Tabula Rasa = lustrate party?

I would actually like to see new sch spell that just puts a powerful shield on a single target without a healing component attached. However, with the info we have on astrologian, i suspect thats what one of their stances will do :(.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I'd be more than happy if they just removed the Cleric Stance "buff" inside dungeons so that the entire Tank-Healer-DPS mechanic works as designed. That said, you do not need to agree with me, but I would rather any upgrades to WHM be entirely focused on healing and not DPS.

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Um um um um ummmmmmm.,.. You do realise the devs put cleric stance into the game, and this kind of suggests a healer contributing to dps is working as designed? Unless you think its a bug, in which case submit an in game bug report about cleric stance existing?

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

Um um um um ummmmmmm.,.. You do realise the devs put cleric stance into the game, and this kind of suggests a healer contributing to dps is working as designed? Unless you think its a bug, in which case submit an in game bug report about cleric stance existing?

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Please read the entire thing.

Cleric Stance exists because without it, playing the storyline is a huge grind since all DPS skills are 1/5th the power. End point.

Look at it from the developers point of view "are we really going to have a class that nobody wants to start out as? How are they going to ever form a party for a dungeon if the game penalizes them for picking healer?" or "If we make this a DPS class with healing ability, nobody will ever pick any other DPS class because other classes lack party healing skills"

Do you see the problem? Cleric Stance is the only thing that allows you to actually play the storyline and not hate it. Arcanist doesn't have/need it to play the storyline. When the developers retooled things in 1.20, cleric stance was added, but only buffed DPS 20%.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post476429

Versus 1.0
http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/abil...&submit=Filter
Where the conjurer had the entire array of elemental attacks to begin with.

and THM had none (some of these wound up on Arcanist):
http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/abil...&submit=Filter

If the developers had stayed the course with the skills then it's pretty clear that WHM and BLM would have originated from Conjurer, and Scholar/Summoner would have originated from THM.

To say nothing of the other classes in the game.

If you play just about any other MMORPG out there, dedicated healer classes, nobody wants to play because they get all the blame for wipes, and most classes can heal themselves without a healer, period. People don't pick healing skills from the skill trees and just spam pots because it's cheaper to do, and usually unlimited due to crafting spam gluts.

Now take a look at the cooldowns on the healing items in FFXIV. If the game was designed for healers to do double-duty and DPS, then you would have the same expectation of DPS to heal themselves, and the healer wouldn't need to ever do any healing but Medica after a party-wide whallop. The nature of the gear people have doesn't allow for this, as only healer gear will swap MND and INT with Cleric stance, while everyone else is stuck with the stats they have (BLM/Summoner would have weaker heals, and all the DPS/Tank's can neither party heal or heal themselves for any significant amount.)

This will only scale worse as content allows for more power-creep, as DPS classes do more damage faster/higher than the WHM can cast, so their DPS output becomes less relevant with the longer/harder battles.

Anyway, this argument has been going on since the game was released, and is currently going on in no less than three threads on the forum currently.

TL;DNR: Any new Healer skills should be focused on Healing, not DPS. Between WHM and SCH, the skills should be focused on what balances the content being played. Every game has power-creep by introducing newer skills that just put out more general-purpose damage, and aren't strategic at all.

Let's say... there was a Boss that casts a 5 minute long Petrify or Zombie (Remember these from FF6 or FFX?) Not these 20-second wear-offs that can be ignored. Currently Esuna only really works for Poison/Heavy, and doesn't remove most other stacked effects. If you leave the status effects on, the players may be immune to all damage, but won't be controllable. If you remove the status effect too early, you might wipe. If everyone becomes afflicted with Petrify/Zombie, then the battle is considered a Wipe. Then there are status-effect types of offense magic (remember Doom and X-zone(Warp)) that may technically count as DPS, but they're actually removing enemies from the battlefield.

All I'm saying is that the healers have enough "damage dealing" spells already that scale with the level of the player. That works fine for doing the solo/storyline content. The party content should be more strategic, not brute-force zerg tactics.

I'm not going to import the other threads to this conversation. All I'll say for the moment is that healer functionality need not be so cut-and-dried.

Take Holy: a fairly strong DPS spell that also happens to be arguably the most powerful AoE crowd control in the game. Fits well with a powerful support class like WHM.

Both healers have many healing tools as well as strong DPS options; some new creative tools that incorporate a bit of both could be exciting.

Sigh, is there a block feature on these forums? He is a broken record.

Personally, I would love another DPS skill for ACN.

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Sigh, is there a block feature on these forums? He is a broken record.

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If you click on their name and choose to go to their profile, there's a button for "Add to Ignore List" on that page.

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On topic, giving WHM something that does some light damage (maybe 80-100 Potency) to the target and heals the person with the highest enmity of the target the amount of damage done sounds fun.

Wanted to share a trait I was thinking about, and a new spell that should definitely make a comeback.

Scholar

New Trait:
Fey Aura: Transforms X amount of damage done into a healing raid effect. (Alternate Effect: The transformed damage heals the target with the lowest health.)

(Since people look at Scholars as the main DPS healer, I think this would be interesting, and those that don't really like dpsing as much could still go WHM or AST)

New Spell: (Cost One Lustrate)
Sacrifice: Transfers X Health to the target, and provides a shield that heals the target overtime. The shield gets weaker while healing the target, or when the target receives damage. (Cannot be used on self)

(In an essence you would transform the shielded HP into real HP) (This is a classic spell from 1.0 that was reinvented to fit the healing style of Scholar)

Holy 2:
off GCD
2 Min CD
Deals 200 Potency damage to one target, heals target's target for double the amount of damage dealt.

I would really love for WHMs to get an oGCD heal, Benediction's CD is too long for my taste. :(

some crazy ideas because meh :U

Protect Burst: Sacrifice a party member's Protect buff to enhance their Physical/Magical defense by a moderate % for a short time duration.

Eather Road: Exchange positions of yourself and your pet, damage any enemy caught in between. Also usable while stunned, frozen, snared, fell asleep or paralyzed (?) (feel the power). Instant with long cooldown

Aloe Wind: Reduces all negative buff duration on target by 5~10 seconds. long cooldown

Shell: Cast a shell on a target(duh), blocks a negative buff from happening on said target, shell will decast after succesfully blocking a debuff. Last a short duration of time.

Mass Esuna please.

Some more plans - Mainly SCH

Luminous Soil - Prevents any detrimental status ailments inside an placed aoe (consumes 1 aetherflow stack, Sacred soil may not be up at the same time)
Aetherial Soil - Places an aoe that converts the received damage into MP-damage. If MP is not enough, the attack will consume that MP and deal the remaining damage to HP (consumes 1 aetherflow stack, Sacred soil may not be up at the same time)
Mad Scientist - Bestows a random buff to the target
Adrenaline - The more buffs the target has, the more it heals.
Faultsiphon - Self-Buff, automatically converts all casted shields from Adloquium or Succor into direct healing. No shield is applied with the buff on. CD like Presence of Mind.

I don't know if any idea like this has been mentioned in the past 27 pages, so I apologize if it has.

Given how the CNJ quest revolves around striking balance between the elements and making use of all the elements at your disposal, I think it would be cool if CNJs got a trait called Elemental Synergy (or something to that effect).

The trait would give a stacking buff that boosts to the next spell cast that doesn't match the elemental affinity of the previous spell(s). The affinities being:

Wind = Aero, Aero II, Cure, Cure II, Cure III, Medica, Medica II
Earth = Stone, Stone II, Stoneskin
Water = Esuna, Fluid Aura

Every time you cast a spell within the same element, it grants a stacking buff that gives a 2% potency boost to the next spell that isn't aligned with that element. This trait caps at five stacks (10% boost)

So, if a CNJ/WHM casts Aero + Aero II, that grants a 4% boost to the next non-wind spell cast.

Regen, Holy, and Benediction would be exempt from getting boosted and boosting other spells with this trait as they are White Mage abilities, and not specifically aligned with any element.

Just figured it'd be something neat to encourage CNJs/WHMs to diversify their play skill for maximum effect.

[EDIT] Apaprently Cure/Medica spells are wind in nature (they have a green aura) - adjusted affinity list to suit.

Doesn't leave much room for Water spells, looking at it.

Re-raise

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Originally Posted by Bodicca

Mass Esuna please.

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Yes, to this!

Scholar here. Selene's silence is essentially useless. I propose swapping selene's silence with my sacred soil. Therefore I can cast silence instantly and have real use. As for selene, she will cast sacred soil at her current location, centered on her. It would push the player to control the fairy manually and place it, which is preferred anyways. Gives more reason to use selene other then just for haste, and provides some strategy: use eos for aoe healing and 20% magic defense buff, or 10% defense for everything and haste.

I would like a skill to refresh the cooldowns on a summon
I would like both selene's hastes to be able to stay up at the same time
I would like shadow flare to be able to stay up while sacred soil is up

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I want a shield you can cast on a player that is similar to Adloquium. It will be stronger then Adlo but is for a single player. Must be channeled. Disappears when you stop channelling. Taking damage drains the shield, but continuous channelling builds it back up. The idea is to save players that have resurrection sickness, because they die easily. The scholar can do no other action while channelling, meaning that you must rely on the other healer in 8 man content to heal the other 7 people. Heavy mp cost, because of its incredible strength, and because a scholar can take it.

I want to see Embrava and Kaustra

Holy II! Bigger, brighter, more eye goring than ever!

If anyone walks out of the party without permanent eye damaging its not good enough.

Offensive-wise for WHM, I'd like to see Banish or Tornado (With a tertiary wind dmg debuff: probably windburn) for obvious reasons. The animations are already in the game, so wouldn't be that difficult to implement.
Healing-wise: maybe a buff which increases healing range of curative magic. I can name a few fights where annoyingly a party member has gone a little too far out of range for healing.
ReRaise would be good also. But with a long cooldown so it can't be abused in battle.

I'd like to see a Re-Raise ability for one of the Healers. I'd actually prefer it to be on AST. With a lengthy 5min CD, if someone dies within 10 seconds of it being used on them, they get back up at Full Health. I'd also like to get the Haste Buff, which I also think the AST will end up getting with how Square has been talking about the FFXI Haste and Spell/Skill Speed changes. I wouldn't mind seeing the White Mage getting an AoE Esuna. For the Scholar, I don't really know what I want. I find the class awesome as it is.

Party-wide Esuna

WHM Spell:
Esuna II: mass Esuna
Divine Shield: strong AoE shield that stays up as long as you push it and draws MP continuously from the caster and those inside the shield
Water II: A homing water-based big bubble that moves slowly to its target and apply slow when it hits.

WHM Fix:
Rename Fluid Aura with Water or Idro <3

The Divine Wind in the first post could be called Pray, like in the older FFs, just for some feels LOL

SCH spell:
Aetherial leap: pulls the targeted party member to your position
Last hope: sacrifices the summoned pet to heal one player the amount of HP the fairy had
Dispel: removes a buff from the target

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WHM Spell:
Esuna II: mass Esuna
Divine Shield: strong AoE shield that stays up as long as you push it and draws MP continuously from the caster and those inside the shield
Water II: A homing water-based big bubble that moves slowly to its target and apply slow when it hits.

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I really like these ideas. I'd love an AoE Esuna, and instead of Divine Shield/Pray giving an AoE Shield since that's kind of the Scholar thing, why not make Pray a Cooldown that refreshes the HoTs you've applied to allies around you? I like Fluid Aura as it is, but I would like to get an actual Water spell at some point.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

I'm thinking of Prayer of Mending, a wow spell that I haven't seen replicated in any other game I've played since, and I stopped after the first expansion. you'd cast it on someone, and when they were hit it would apply the heal and bounce to the closest friendly. It was incredible for dual tank situations, healing MDPS, and any other aoe situation. I've wanted to use it again for years.

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I would love to have this for my WHM!
For SCH id love to have a buff like Bubble from WoW as well.
For all Healers:
-Reraise, mass esuna/leeches

I cant think of anything else... :x

Rather than a mass esuna which I'd find useful only in a couple of cases, i'd like to be able to DECIDE what you wanna dispell.

I'd like one that sorta like Adloquium or succor but with a larger healing base

oh! and i wish for Shroud of Saits to be splited up into 2 individual skills. it happens way to often, that i got aggro in the begining of a fight as there were a "no so shiny tank", forces me to shroud and wasting the CD. or i use it in longer boosfights and than some adds spawn and i have them on me. CT1-3 are common places for this situations.

half of the skill is always wasted. :(

21 second Esuna HoT, AoE Sleep (and a reason to actually use it), a 10 second AoE stoneskin that blocks 30% damage ~5 min CD

Auto-Raise?

Instead of a mass Esuna Id rather an Esuna or Leeches that clears all debuffs from one target. IE victims of Bad Breath.