Tanks That Hate Fluid Aura

Let me explain when TO use it as a tank.

If there is a caster mob out of a group, toss it back into the group.

If there is sleep going on... dunno why there would be, but for sake of the argument... have the tank move the pack away from the sleep so overpowers don't wake it up. Then boot the thing into the pack as a wakeup call when the time is right.

Otherwise, don't move my mobs around on me.

Simple?

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Thank you for not even reading the OP like everyone else.

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Quite contrary. I read and dismissed the OP as he/she pretty much decided to annoy his/her group willfully. The rest of the thread had discussed how annoying the knockback is.

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Knocking back non-primary targets makes the tank/party take less damage and can interrupts casts. Freeing up the healer to do more damage themselves. You can be the tank without having absolutely everything hitting you. Yet everyone that breaks sleeps seems to think they can't which is even more annoying.

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Only undergeared tanks and healers need crowd control like sleeps and knockbacks. It is up to either to speak up and be honest with the group that they need to make use of them. Stone/Stone2, Aero all you want. FA is a nuisance to just about everyone but the conjurer and archer.

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

FA is a nuisance to just about everyone but the conjurer and archer.

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even for conjurer can be a nuisance, in case it goes out of cast range while casting a skill, only to be interrupted (in 8 men content... if that ever happens).

Edit: i.e. both whm doing some DPS, one of them decided to cast FA on the same target the other whm was attacking with stone/stone II.

Stop feeding the trolls, and stop discussing this, its not a discussion. I clearly ended this thread a page back.

The problem isn't game mechanics/dps/ect. The problem is attitude of OP. And the rest of the socially inept people on here.

as a tank i am finding this ridiculous. fluid aura is really nice why is everyone trying to get people to stop using it? if tanks cant adapt to the full skillset of other classes, then they're kinda bad tanks. it's not the whm's fault.

its pretty simple:


1. pull group of enemies
2. flash twice
3. whm use fluid aura on last enemy that would be attacked
4. group takes less damage, enemy returns to tank

Why would you revive this toxic thread? Let it die.
Play nice and don't grief others in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Pendragon72

ive been on both sides of this action as well..when playing as a WHM i wont use it until the said monster is almost dead or when another player besides the tank catches aggro...i truly believe ppl. only want healers to heal only while in dungeons or parties.Not to mention for a healer to put out damage is kinda frowned upon for the most part ........use sleep instead

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There are very few things in this game that I dislike more than healers that just heal, specially in low level dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Codek

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Oh Shi-

Look what you guys did now. This is all your fault.

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Originally Posted by StealthPaladin

as a tank i am finding this ridiculous. fluid aura is really nice why is everyone trying to get people to stop using it? if tanks cant adapt to the full skillset of other classes, then they're kinda bad tanks. it's not the whm's fault.

its pretty simple:


1. pull group of enemies
2. flash twice
3. whm use fluid aura on last enemy that would be attacked knocking it out of the AOE's and other dmg so that now it lives longer in the end rather than dying with the rest of the pack.
4. group maybe takes less damage, enemy takes less damage for sure and dies slower

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Fixed that for you.

And just wow.... necro thread for the ages!

happy halloween everyone

You can use fluid aura all the time as finishing move, and the cool downs line up with it about right. Any target once dotted and low health, finish it with fluid aura. Even doesn't die immediate, by the time the tank wants to grab it, its dead and they'd have nothing to complain about. I do this all the and got my 500 commendation long ago.

I find it to be not a big deal I just switch mobs to the next one closest and ignore that mob that got Fluid Aura, it will come right back anyways. Not that this is too common mind you.. It is better if you have a whm friend that likes to troll you with it while dungeon farming. That is when the fun really begins!

FFS just when I'd finally forgotten about this thread...

Maybe whm's like to use fluid aura when the tank is a meanie face.

Or if they're bored out of their noggin.

It's usually mischief, never intended to cause wipes or what have you.

Sometimes it's strategically used.

Some tanks are just whiny/lazy.

As both a whm and pld, I don't see why people hate this ability being used.

The only time I use fluid aura in dungeons is to send a stray monster directly into a tanks aoe range; and I'm usually positioning myself from the tank at about the range of fluid aura anyway.

As a tank, if I see a whm send a monster flying away from me well out of range of my aoe, I don't get upset in the slightest. The thing is going to come back sooner or later anyway. A single stray monster isn't going cause a wipe in 99.99% of cases.

I might tell them to stop in extreme cases of absurd uses, but I don't remember the last time that happened. It is a useful Binding ability, applicable in dungeons (not just solo play). Just my opinion as someone maining tank.

Having a 50 WHM and a 43 PLD, I do have my own opinion on the matter.

If you're going to use Fluid Aura, do it right. Don't shove the mob back far enough to spook the tank into thinking they lost hate, and especially not into more mobs. Knock it into a wall. In a dungeon, the bind is the most useful effect Fluid Aura offers, and throwing a mob across the hallway is great because you have less damage to heal.

And for the love of the Twelve, if there's only one mob, DON'T USE IT.

I use FA if something is attacking me simple as that. Stone take too long to cast and can be interrupted and it doesn't solve my arggo problem.

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Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm

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As you know tanks complain about this because healers use it randomly pushing a mob far away for no reason.
It's not when a healer is using it to save their life that it gets annoying.
It's when some random healer like I stated before uses it randomly, all the time whenever it's off cooldown for no reason.
If a Tank is complaining that you're using it to save your life, thats his problem...
They typically end up being those tanks who don't know how to play, make too big of pulls for their gear/skill level. just made a tank to get quick queue...

P.S. Tanks are getting bent out of shape in Tam tara because thats where most of the players that have no idea what they are doing are hanging out in.
ACN using pushback for no reason, cnj using pushback for no reason. DPS standing still or dpsing wrong mobs or not paying atention... etc... etc...

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Originally Posted by StealthPaladin

its pretty simple:


1. pull group of enemies
2. flash twice
3. whm use fluid aura on last enemy that would be attacked
4. dungeon takes slightly longer because enemy is pushed out of AoE range for no reason; even worse, mob that BLM/SMN/SCH etc. is using as their target for AoEing is the one pushed out of range of the rest, interrupting casts or making Bane useless

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The necromancy is strong with this one. I have no choice but to respond. Fixed a little there.

You can also use it to push ranged mobs into melee range so they'll be included in AOEs.

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Originally Posted by Zephyranthes

You can also use it to push ranged mobs into melee range so they'll be included in AOEs.

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That would fall under appropriate uses of Fluid Aura. That's why no one is complaining when that actually happens. Also very sadly rare that you see someone doing this rather than using it in a way that pisses everyone else off.

I only use FA on magic users. Every tank knows when you get two or three magic users spread out, you have to LoS them, or you have to take the fight to them. Using FA, I run behind the magic user, and blast it into Flash/OP range. That is the ONLY time I would ever use that spell in a dungeon. PvP however, is the bestest thing ever when you go up top in Frontlines ^^

Dps don't find it annoying? I wanna nerd-rage when whms pull that crap when I'm on drg . I have managed to remain polite to whms thus far though. Somehow.

You use fluid aura:

1 - You can interrupt casts from your DPS (the BLM is casting flare....0.3 secs to land........bam your fluid aura moves target, BLM flare interrupted, he recasts flare but loses the 3 stacks of AF, you are definitely not getting that BLM commendation).

2 - You spread mobs, which makes tank's job unnecessarily harder, also, moving targets are a pain and makes everybody's moves interrupted like 90% of the times, not to mention it BINDS the mob far away from the others, which doesn't leave the tank another choice but to move to the target you've casted fluid aura and reposition all the mobs so that they are close each other again because you wanted to land a 150 potency attack for the lols.

3 - Things like Shadow Flare and Flaming arrow have a long cast or a long CD and once you place them it's AOE damage, moving a target out from there is simply losing party damage.

So keep using fluid aura if what you want is to annoy people.

Just, don't use fluid aura, even if monsters start attacking you run to the tank and any tank worth his salt will take them off you. Better than shooting them off away from the tank or past the tank making the tank do unnecessary movements that will immediately screw over melee DPS or aoes like shadow flare. When I see WHM's using this in dungeons I usually end up giving coms to the dps or tank instead.

I started playing warrior recently and I can tell you I absolutely hate Fluid Aura. My opinion is solely based on experiences from High-Level Dungeons.
1) It makes the mob go out of place for my overpower and flash
2) When there's melee dps around, I round up the mobs so that the melee need to only press tab to hit the next mob and not run around.

Reason for people disliking it is because it removes it from the area making the tanks have to run around to regain hate on that mob and also loosing time and hate on the other ones.

When I use my healer I will wait for a certain amount of time let the tank take it away if that fails I used fluid aura to send the mob close to the tank with the rest of the mob that's the only time when it's advisible to use it.

I had a healer in my group constantly using fluid aura was very irritating. I play nice so I just ignore it and keep going hate drama.

Also hate black mages and white mages using sleep on mobs for no reason I have had ppl spam sleep on mobs that are being hit just wasting time. In actuality it's more useful to save those sleep spells for interrupting a mob's casting ability or when the tank is undergeared.