Didn't think we had <fun> and <hole> in <autotranslate dictionary>.... anyways... its really not that bad. It really *is* laziness or simple ignorance on how to use it if someone refuses to use it. Hell half the time you don't even need to communicate other than what the main goal is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
This kind of thing has to stop...
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09-10-2012, 12:03 AMAmyas
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09-10-2012, 12:04 AMJackDanielsI'm not implying that at all. As the worlds population grows, globalization is inevitable, there are going to be some major cultural and language barriers that need to be broken through, it's going to take generations of learning, tolerance and understanding for it to work, I don't see why this GAME has to be a frontier for that battle. Good grief, there's clearly hatred all around from each side, so why not just segregate by region/language (which as far as I know, we are, thank god).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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09-10-2012, 12:05 AMmekia
What i usually do is "only ENG" because i do not want a person that has no idea what im saying. I can 100% understand those Japanese players
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09-10-2012, 12:11 AMXmbeiWow way to generalize. I live in Japan I see Japanese Tv everyday. Might be a surprise to you, but they don't talk about America unless it is big news worth events like the Colorado shooting or the Presidental race. We as Westerners also think what is in Anime is what actually happens in Japan... Sorry to burst this bubble for you too, but it isn't. Take your unfounded anger on how NA actually give them this impression. Most Japanese get impressions for military or foriegn visitors, Most love us and love talking to us because they find it either cute us trying to speak Japanese or they want to actually learn English and learn about us. While most times foriegner's I have seen around Japan expect the Japanese to appease them, by speaking English or their home countries language, or talk loudly or just be generally rude in public to what the Japanese consider rude and they don't do themselves. So yes those same people don't give us credit because most of us don't know the social norms. Though you also have those NA's that don't care, and cause problems. Like raping, killing or other things unprovoked.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
Short story from experience when I first arrived in Japan. An American Sailor stab killed and robbed a taxi cab driver, just because he did not have the taxi fare to pay the driver. When in all honesty if you explained it to them they will take what you can afford, and go on with their day. As has been said many times before, it is a 2 way street. We don't respect them in most cases like some people think they should respect us for, when we are just as bad.
What makes you think you are so special? Ask yourself that, and if the answer is because it inconvienences you then you must rethink your priorities and maybe think that you might also be the problem at times.
Now for the kicking without a reason immediately yes that is frustrating and you can vent. Don't get angry at them over it just move along and find another group. Your anger toward them just reenforces in those select few players that yes we are all rude and self-entitled. -
09-10-2012, 12:16 AMSynfrag
If it hasn't been said before this is not going to be as large of an issue once ARR is launched. Currently we are all on Japanese servers. At ARR launch there will be NA, EU and JP servers. How it is selected and what it will look like are still up in the air. Personally, the rare times that I do a PUG for anything I require English speakers and above that prefer people who can at least listen on ventrilo. Everyone who plays MMOs should have Vent, TS or mumble to listen in the very least...
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09-10-2012, 12:20 AMBabydollI can attest to this. At least part of it. I have joined many "JP only" PT's..which should mean, Japanese language only, no? So anyway..I joined a LOT of those in my early days of FFXI...and when I would join they would call me a gaijin and ask me to leave, despite my Japanese being perfectly fine (I have taken 15 years of the language) I was like wtf....I was not rude or anything to them. o.O I understand their culture quite well (Was an exchange student there for many years growing up, etc) and studied it a lot. I did not say or do anything ridiculous, just said hello, thank you for inviting me. where shall we exp today, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
In other PT's I would join...a lot of JP would not know I could read what they were saying..and would make fun of my English speaking friends (most of my friends were quiet in the PT, and very, very polite, good players also) and act quite racist...I was taken aback by this. Especially since it happened a lot....
and before people think this....by no means am I claiming ALL Japanese players are this way..no, no they are not lol. Most of them are very sweet and kind...I have many Japanese friends I love to death. It is as someone said earlier...everywhere on this earth has jerks..and I've come across quite a handful of players that are this way in FFXI. In FFXIV not so much. The Japanese have always been more then happy to play with me and very patient and kind.
It is atrocious how people will kick someone from a party...really. I can understand doing it if someone is being rude and causing ridiculous drama. But anything else..come on....:/ -
09-10-2012, 12:30 AMAmyas-_- wow. Just take a few moments and think of what you've said. You say its a two way street then begin ranting about random crimes... just wow. 'wish there was more control over who gets in' 0-0Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
Anyways... we're all different, why can't we celebrate that rather than pointing out 'O that *American* robbed this convenience store' or 'O that *Japanese* guy was caught pointing a camera under girls skirts...' just with the intention to further ostricize them and yourself as 'different'? crippledchristontoast -_- -
09-10-2012, 12:33 AMXmbeiYa sadly I know not personally but know these type of people too. They are a small selection of Japanese....Quote:
Originally Posted by Babydoll
Heck another short story from something I have picked up on in my past year since I started school (been here longer but never saw this till now) is The black car van racist Japanese Supremists in Japan. They purposefully in their black vans and imperial japanese flag and anthem blare it as well as hateful propaganda anywhere they know a lot of foriegners are. Mainly in the Roppongi/Minato area of Tokyo because that is where most of the Embassies and my school is located. They don't care but as you said it is not all. They are just people that believe half truths and such.
Your post also reminded me of a very vocal racist Japanese player on Siren server in my XI times. He would shout in a busy city telling us gaijin to get off their game and that we dirty up their world and ruin their experience. I have also been in parties with JP at the same time on FFXI and had the time of my life.
Anyways, I don't see the problem I have seen it since XI we have always made our own cultural groupings in the FF MMO's and we most times stay in our comfort zones, can't fault anyone for that. If you do come across a rude player no matter what the case blacklist them and also let your friends know that they are rude selfish/racist players. It probably won't do anything but it might help resolve something too.
What I want to get at though is you can't force someone to play with you because they don't. If they don't want to and you are a fun person to play with its their loss, find another group and enjoy the game, don't let a small community of secularist ruin the game for you. -
09-10-2012, 12:42 AMXmbeiI did think about what I said, I worked with those people... I got robbed by those people so did my friends. In my time in Japan I have seen the best and worst of both nationalities in and out of the Navy. I still stand it is a 2 way street, we foreigners do things that make us look bad, and other times we do things that make us look good, same can be said for the Japanese. It's the human condition, until we come to understand one another and such as individuals, and not fear or hate or cause strafe because we form an opinion on a group of people because of 1 or 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amyas
You understand I am just trying to explain to some people on the forums that something might of happened to them or someone they know for them to feel this way or just raised that way. Sometime we need a reminder on this, that not all are innocent.
In short I am just saying understanding is key for us to work together in this Globalization world we are in now. It will take a long time and people should not be getting upset over a small thing of not being allowed in a party in a game, where you can seperate yourself from a conflict quite easily.
Edit: you do also realize when I said "let people in" I meant the Navy and military correct? not Japan or a video game.... -
09-10-2012, 12:47 AMGrim_Lion
Ive never seen any other race specify that they'll only take people of their own race in a video game.
It looks pathetic on your island. You people are already land locked, and have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. You would think that reaching out and experiencing something new might help your problems both in game and out of it.
It is you who, the JP, who are contributing to your own issues both in game and out. This topic is a great reflection on the social problems within Japan and the loner type society you have created.
Enjoy your JP only partys, I dont want to play with people who have the social issues your people have anyways.