Changes to Savage Loot Lock System

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Originally Posted by Izscha

Ok so i did not insulted anyone on this thread that's what i tought too

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Originally Posted by Izscha

childish behavior

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Very much indeed.

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Originally Posted by Oscura

Very much indeed.

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Damn you were able to pick that one, impressive.

I agree that our current savage loot system should be tweaked, specially now that we have a lot of new people playing. A slight modification to what ForteNightshade posted. Two chest for 1-4 people and one chest if more than 4 people have cleared, while adding RitsukoSonada's idea that every book will become universal. The number of books required will still stay the same, while adding some flexibility on gearing either both main or alt roles. if all of this changes are too much to ask for Yoshi-P and team, then I propose to just make savage clears drop two books instead one.

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Originally Posted by Bloudmourne

if all of this changes are too much to ask for Yoshi-P and team, then I propose to just make savage clears drop two books instead one.

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I think just the above, with "just" in the sense of "only", would be almost perfect:

Drop the RNG (coffers), and double the guaranteed, flexible drops (that leave no available exploitation). Simple. Easy. Thorough.

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Originally Posted by Izscha

And making it even more RNG while the items already are you can be sure you would see a lot of ppl crying here that they had 87.5 % and it did not appear.
You want your stuff you kill the stuff with your group, if you can't no big deal maybe next week you ll get it and those who do things right will get their stuff week after week.

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So your argument against an improved system is "people who can't do math would whine they didn't get loot they didn't deserve"? I see no reason to refuse to improve the loot system because of those people.

If 1 person had the clear and the chest had a 87.5% chance to appear as a result ...but didn't, that's simply the equivalent odds of bringing in an 8th person who didn't have the clear and they won the 1 in 8 odds on a Need roll. So your odds of getting loot don't unfairly decrease even if 1 chest vanished by RNG. It's the same RNG as rolling for loot. Or very similar (I won't claim my math is perfect).

Also remember people who kill a boss are ineligible for loot even if chests drop in other runs. It's impossible to abuse such a system for extra gear.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

also need to consider that while the current system works, inconveniencing the rest of you just stretches out the time that people remain subbed to the game, but not at a significant detriment, so it all works out in the end.

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Not quite. even if some groups got a bit more coffers because 2 chests will go to 7 people instead of 8, they would still need to pay for two subs to get BiS.

As long as you cant get Bis in 4 weeks (be it 8, 7 or even 5 weeks) you will need to resub twice to get it. making gearing easier would not affect subs at all if it doesnt go below that threshold.

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Originally Posted by Izscha

Sigh, i really dont want to come down to this because i do know you'll end up crying in the corner like each single time and try another pointless attack to have the final word.
Drop it, if i need to start and destroy your little bit of ego left it will end up badly.
You got one of my character name on this forum, so when you want to start a thing like that you use your brain and you check out its fflogs before saying this.
Even more when it's someone who started savage in shadowbringer, you really have no say about it, humble yourself a bit it's better for you.

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LOL. I did check it out. Thats why i said it my dude. go ahead FFLOGS mine :). And i totally do have a say about it you know why. cause i actually raid. I've stayed subbed throughout the content draught (helping people clear). Cleared 3/4 in Decemember, and helped friends clear who started on e9. Then eventually killed e12s. 5.5 Hits and the PF dies. Why? Loot lock. and the announcement of no new ultimate. Unlock of tier comes around and the all of a sudden its like the PF becomes bright. And you see its people like you that really don't understand. I know I'll get BiS. That's not a problem for me in the slightest. But my friends they may care about loot. They may want to get BIS and leave the game, and come back, and if i've cleared thats taken away from their loot.

Either way. I am asking Square Enix to change the system. If i need to level alts to play with my friends, i will do. I am simply asking Square enix to respect my damn time as a player who loves to play with friends from all over the world, and my damn money. That's not a hard ask. Considering there content doesnt keep a majority of players around.

Btw if i find 7 other people with 8 alts, and we raid. We could split raid and have BIS in 2 weeks. So for your argument of wanting everything asap. Check Mate.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

maybe they should change it and then all the tryhards can get their stuff and get out and not come back for 6 months while they whine there's nothing to do.

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They already do that. Next.

Reiterating.. I want to play with my friends without screwing their loot up, having to pay tons of money, and slogging thru the story X amount of times.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

personally imo if anyone is clearing the savage tier and being fully geared out in BIS by week 2... there's something wrong with you. =p

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As you probably say this alot. You don't pay their sub, if they want BIS by week 2 you are powerless to stop that.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Doc, just one of these times it'd be nice if you actually read the OP before trying to bring down 'ye hammer of pragmatic realism'.

This would not increase the number of chests for a typical run. It just makes it so your entire carrot for running a raid in a given week isn't cut in half the moment you can't find 7 others who have yet to do the raid that week and have to rely instead on help from a friend who has already cleared to round out those numbers.



Likewise, already in the OP (brackets added for the context I snipped out):

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I am a bit late but in reference to Jeeq's post. It doesn't matter that happens already. Second people can take a social stance against that and simply not do a group where 1 person is trying to take all the loot in a PF, and just disband it. Kind of like how 2 chest groups disband when 7/8 haven't cleared, and loot is cut in half.