Advertising sexual content in party finder

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

There is the problem. You blame the parents over the actions of the people doing wrong. A mother should not have to stand over her son's shoulder, just so he can play a video game rated teen. Like someone else noted, this is basically extending the victim blaming.

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A lazy parent doesn't monitor their kids activities. I had shows I was banned from watching as a kid by my mother. Many parents are misinformed on things. "It's a video game, they're for kids!" despite the big fat M rating on the box of games like GTA. Do your research before you let your kids do their activities. Don't monitor them every minute, just do enough that you're comfortable saying "I feel comfortable if my child does this."

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

You should know someone's age first. It's highly irresponsible to ERP with a teen, knowingly or not. You need to protect yourself, too. Putting 18+ in an advertisement is going to draw some teens, not send them away.

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Okay...how? You're the one asking for it. Tell us how you think we should confirm someone's age.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

This is an mmorpg and focuses on action/adventure playstyle not intimate play. That's why it's not rated M.

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*glances over at Momodi talking about taking a couple gents, the courtesan fate at Costa del Sol, the Tidus/Leviabeetus NPC talking about the length of their scepter*

Mmmhmm.

It's not a rated M game. The parent did their job. Now, it is up to both SE and the community to make sure it is appropriate for teens. Most parents would be fine with the actual content of FFXIV.

If you can't figure out how to avoid ERPing with minors, then you should not do it. Don't do it with people you don't know.

Adult jokes exist in kids cartoons as well. It's not an invitation to advertise ERP or ERP with minors.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

It's not a rated M game. The parent did their job. Now, it is up to both SE and the community to make sure it is appropriate for teens. Most parents would be fine with the actual content of FFXIV.

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It also says "online interactions not rated by the ESRB." Did you forget that?

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

If you can't figure out how to avoid ERPing with minors, then you should not do it. Don't do it with people you don't know.

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No no, you don't get to cop out that easily. YOU proposed the idea. YOU come up with a proposal to solve the problem. We can work off YOUR proposal to improve it. It's not just a game thing. This happens in EVERY community on the internet. YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S ON THE OTHER END!

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Adult jokes exist in kids cartoons as well. It's not an invitation to advertise ERP or ERP with minors.

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Different concepts. One is subtle, the other is more direct.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

It's not a rated M game. The parent did their job. Now, it is up to both SE and the community to make sure it is appropriate for teens. Most parents would be fine with the actual content of FFXIV.

If you can't figure out how to avoid ERPing with minors, then you should not do it. Don't do it with people you don't know.

Adult jokes exist in kids cartoons as well. It's not an invitation to advertise ERP or ERP with minors.

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Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB

Just because the game is rated teen doesn't mean anything when its a MMO.
It just means people that age group is old enough to view what the game depicts.
You're taking the game rating WAY too literal.

And yes I will keep blaming the parents.
The reason why so many teenagers do the dumb stuff over the net is because they basically have free reign, unsupervised ability to do w/e they want because most parents don't really care what they're doing online as long as its not IRL.
And when something bad happens, its often too late.

and you can calling it victim blaming to push your agenda.
Its a parent job to protect their kid and if you know they're easily influenced, lured, a follower; maybe they shouldn't let their kid play a MMO?

Parents have a lot of tools to prevent these things but they don't do it and rather just blame someone else.
Like letting their kids play GTA5 and then get mad at rockstar for why their kid cusses like a sailor.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That would be SE pretty much endorsing ERP, if they are going to start selectively handing out bans when someone ERPing isn't of age according to their account's registered info.

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So? The issue isn't people doing ERP. The issue is protecting minors from getting into ERP with adults. Adding a filter and tagging system can be helpful for more things than just protecting minors from ERP too. If someone lies on their account info and reveals that in chat than players should have the ability to report them. Then SE can handle that as they see fit.

I'm just offering a suggestion that could help solve the issue.

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Also this game isn't meant for erp? LMAO!!!!

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According to the ToS is not and your account can be suspended because of it. Game also has a profanity filter and you can still be suspended for cursing.

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Yes we should blame the parents.

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You are not wrong. But if the parents do their job, even if the minor lied to the other person, the ERP partner is in deep trouble (SE is going to wash their hands and provide any information required by the police). It's no different if an adult has sex with a minor he/she meet in a place that supposedly only adults can enter.

Anyway, no matter how much anyone want to wash their hands, if the police get involved the adult is going to be the main responsible for it and the one facing all the "real" consequences. The adult is the one that its supposed to know better.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB
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Let me redirect you to

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Originally Posted by Driavna

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Originally Posted by Gula

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You do realize he didn't actually answer the question right? Nobody is breaking laws or the ToS running a virtual brothel for ERP unless you're like...living in some 3rd world country....soo
He basically just said that because it was a stupid disrespectful question from a guy that didn't even like FFXIV.
If yoshi would have anything but that. The NA/EU media would have ate that up "Director of FFXIV supports player ran brothels!"

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Originally Posted by Driavna

According to the ToS is not and your account can be suspended because of it. Game also has a profanity filter and you can still be suspended for cursing.




You are not wrong. But if the parents do their job, even if the minor lied to the other person, the ERP partner is in deep trouble (SE is going to wash their hands and provide any information required by the police). It's no different if an adult has sex with a minor he/she meet in a place that supposedly only adults can enter.

Anyway, no matter how much anyone want to wash their hands, if the police get involved the adult is going to be the main responsible for it and the one facing all the "real" consequences. The adult is the one that its supposed to know better.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

According to the ToS is not and your account can be suspended because of it. Game also has a profanity filter and you can still be suspended for cursing.




You are not wrong. But if the parents do their job, even if the minor lied to the other person, the ERP partner is in deep trouble (SE is going to wash their hands and provide any information required by the police). It's no different if an adult has sex with a minor he/she meet in a place that supposedly only adults can enter.

Anyway, no matter how much anyone want to wash their hands, if the police get involved the adult is going to be the main responsible for it and the one facing all the "real" consequences. The adult is the one that its supposed to know better.

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Where in the ToS? say "ERP" can get you ban? Because unless you're doing it in say/shout chat...and NOT with a willing participant..
And ofc you can get suspended for cursing but its case dependent.
If you just said something like "f**k" off a slip up on a fight You're fine.

But if you say "F**k you dude!" in the context that you're fighting with someone or spamming in shout chat. Yeah you would or at least get a warning.

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Originally Posted by craybest

What is FFXIV minimum age requirement?

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https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...1&tag=users_en

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Welcome to FINAL FANTASY? XIV (the "Game" or the "Service"). In order to play the Game, you ("You" or "User") must first agree to this FINAL FANTASY XIV User Agreement ("User Agreement") between you and Square Enix, Inc. ("Square Enix"). PLEASE READ THIS USER AGREEMENT CAREFULLY. If you agree by checking the box next to the statement "I accept the User Agreement" or "I accept the terms of the above agreement(s)" you declare that you have read this User Agreement, you understand the terms of this User Agreement, and you agree to be bound by this User Agreement on behalf of yourself and, if you are under the age of 18, on your behalf by your parent or legal guardian. Once you agree, you will be contractually bound to the terms below, which shall govern all aspects of your use of the Game. No one under the age of 13 may play the Game.

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The following sections could prove relevant to ERP situations:

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3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

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Is ERP appropriate behavior when those around you may only be 13 years of age? Of course not. Therefore it is better not to engage in it within the game.

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3.6 Any Illegal Activities. You may not conduct any illegal activities whatsoever in connection with the Game. This includes every illegal activity not specifically highlighted above, including without limitation gambling, defamation, harassment, and fraud.

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Brothels are illegal in most parts of the world. I would imagine that SE would prefer they don't exist in the game.

Obviously, SE can't be monitoring what every player is doing all the time but certainly they could be investigating PFs reported by other players that are advertising 18+ player driven content to see if the activity is not appropriate for age 13-17 players. As a few have pointed out in this thread, some players just don't want to be dealing with children and that's why they say 18+. It hasn't nothing to do with the party doing things that are inappropriate.

Unfortunately, most of the time it is inappropriate.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

The rating is T not M. Blame falls to the people taking advantage of minors.

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You'd have to show they were knowingly taken advantage of a minor. Plenty of kids will lie about their age to get access to adult content online. Short of online streaming their image to you, you can't always know.

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Originally Posted by GhostlyEggs

So? The issue isn't people doing ERP. The issue is protecting minors from getting into ERP with adults. Adding a filter and tagging system can be helpful for more things than just protecting minors from ERP too. If someone lies on their account info and reveals that in chat than players should have the ability to report them. Then SE can handle that as they see fit.

I'm just offering a suggestion that could help solve the issue.

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I can answer that with this person's quote pretty easily:

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

This is an mmorpg and focuses on action/adventure playstyle not intimate play.

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Also the post right above:

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...1&tag=users_en



The following sections could prove relevant to ERP situations:


Is ERP appropriate behavior when those around you may only be 13 years of age? Of course not. Therefore it is better not to engage in it within the game.


Brothels are illegal in most parts of the world. I would imagine that SE would prefer they don't exist in the game.

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