What you're missing though is that if you platinum dark souls today. in a year or 2 maybe even 5 years from now someone who decides to platinum dark souls has to do the exact same challenges you faced....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
the point is that the challenges in current mmos are very short lived whats challenging today is a piece of cake tomorrow, which isn't the case with your dark souls example. whats challenging today is still challenging tomorrow.
back to xiv and the achievement for clearing coils and the final witness title for example. Once things of pride to many people can now be gotten incredibly easily by any group of 3-4 players with no almost no effort or sense of challenge at all.
what this then does is completely destroy the value of that accomplishment. and that is a big part of why many gamers just don't bother
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07-16-2016, 02:07 AMDzian
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07-16-2016, 03:36 AMBourne_EndeavorWhat difference does it make? If you clear Savage at its hardest difficulty, why would you care when or how other people accomplish it? Your clear isn't arbitrarily diminished because the content gets easier in later patches. In 2-5 years, only Layla Bell and his raid group will have "03/11/2016" marked on their Midas Savage clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
Dark Souls is a single player game, wherein once you beat it... that's it. MMOs are an ongoing experience that require constant relevant content to keep people paying their sub and/or interested (F2P model). Designing an entire fight only accessible to a niche audience, then leaving it gated for the duration of said content's existence complete wastes resources. This means the vast majority of players would never even touch Savage-- providing little reason to even bother with it at all. -
09-25-2016, 07:48 AMBrannigan
Are you guys all ready to throw away all the gear you fought for and melded? I sure am not! Oh well, gotta do it anyway. Even weapons.
Replacing gear happens - I get that. I like it. Replacing it ALL on a SINGLE DAY without setting foot into a raid is what I don't like.
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09-25-2016, 08:08 AMAuteur
Appealing to "raiders," or whatever other designation for hardcore players, makes no sense for a sub-based MMO. Businesses only really care about two kinds of people: (1) new customers, and (2) the really big spending customers. Lets assume that a business can only devote sufficient resources (i.e. attention and service) to one group. Sub MMOs care most about new customers. Why? Because there aren't really any big spending customers; the sub model puts a natural cap on the amount you can get from one person. Hence, quantity is needed to profit. In contrast, F2P is all about getting and pandering to the whale hardcore players: you aren't getting money from a lot of people playing for free, so F2P has to pander to hardcore people dumping lots of cash.
It's simple math, a fluctuating 400,000-1kk * $15 always beats 50,000 (the raiders) * $15. If hardcore people want to be pandered to, welcome to the F2P grinders. In F2P, a select minority can leverage the willingness to spend a ton more money to catch the owner's attention. In sub, the economic leverage stays with the majority since everyone buys the same ticket. -
09-25-2016, 08:16 AMAnaviAnaelI think I may be misunderstanding something because you can only get one token per turn in Alexander at release. Not everything will be upgraded on day 1. You'll still need to have your current gear to do stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brannigan
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09-25-2016, 08:17 AMBranniganNew crafted/easy mode gear undermines more than just raiders' progression, but thanks for posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auteur
You can get a full set of crafted gear that is equal ilvl to easy mode Alex gear/Higher level than previous savage. That will take less than a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnaviAnael
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09-25-2016, 09:10 AMTintplus you can overmeld it, so you get it in one day and it is also better than the alex normal gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brannigan
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09-25-2016, 10:17 AMAirget
Alexander raids are 3.0, 3.2 and now 3.4, that 240 gear is something you've been able to achieve since 3.2, it's weird to say that this gear should stay relevant past 3.4 "easy mode" Alexander.
To suggest the gear tiers should be something like 220/240/230?/260?, the reason why the "easy mode" Alexander is a higher IL than Savage of the last tier isa means to gear up towards that tier of Savage. It wouldn't make much sense to make the challenge of the next Savage done with less IL, cause even if you say made the last tier 250 then what, Savage would need 260 to complete? It would just make it a larger grind to get the better gear needed.
I mean an advantage towards working with both IL 240 gear is the ability to mix/match the best from each set, most people who only get the weekly tomes don't have that option anda limited option with weapons. So you get that added boost of your attributes being micromanaged with the mixing of the gears, you get to gear up up faster and you can take advantage of your higher tier gear without having to do the 24-man raid to upgrade the weekly tome gear.
What OP is suggesting is to just make weekly tome gear worthless to Raiders and make the Savage gear the only viable gear because it's the highest IL. -
09-25-2016, 01:23 PMMasekase_Hurricane
@Brannigan
If you wanna go back to 2.0 format fine then all you get for doing savage is a title. As for craft weapons not everyone is going to be getting them as the price will be sky high and thats before adding the cost on for materia. -
09-25-2016, 01:28 PMMasekase_HurricaneI agree although I think crafted gear should be above upgraded tome gear. The hq stuff isnt as easy to make and takes way more time and effort than collecting some tomes. As it stands at the moment the ilvls are way to close together on the items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint