From the first few pages I read, people are missing where the OP states that people are demanding more DPS out of healers and tanks, when their role should be healing and tanking. Part of me agrees... Part of me doesn't. How my static works, is that I straight up heal. The Scholar DPS's on phases where I can solo heal, partially because we are bored, but we never have to DPS out of necessity to pass a DPS check. Our DPS is sufficient to say the least. We haven't run Alex Savage yet, but that's where it stands so far. So instead of people demanding that healers and tanks do more damage and forgo their roles to do so, they should focus on their own class and doing their job. I know that sounds harsh, but I don't really have another way to say it. Let the healers do their best at what they do, let the tanks do their best at what they do, and let the DPS do the best at what they do. If there is time, or if it is possible, then yes, us healers or tanks can focus on DPS. Don't demand it.
Am I the only one fed up with DPS obsession?
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08-18-2015, 04:50 AMSeleneFatalis
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08-18-2015, 10:00 PMckc22You know who's fault this is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yhximott
Surprise! It's SE.
You know why people care so much about DPS? Because basically every end-game fight right now is a giant DPS check because SE has chosen to guarantee slowing progression with hard gear locks instead of unique mechanics. -
08-18-2015, 11:14 PMSessureaThis is actually a controversial and rather ambiguous statement. The way you use it makes it seem like ff is a past time thing u relax with and do not take too seriously, but more accurately a "game" is something where u strive your hardest to succeed and improve your chances to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yhximott
The lastest stress on support classes to dps is just because of people tackling raids in below recommended ilvl. A tank and healer in a raid situation SHOULD be trying to optomise his play at all costs.
It also feels like you think tanks and healers only concerns should be tanking and healing? But this is impossible i think. -
08-19-2015, 11:33 AMDrtoxicmedicaTank and healer dps is only really required in savage. Which is the highest content which is supposed to be challenging and demand more then the average from everybody. If you need extra dps in ravana and Bismark you need to look at the actual dps in the party. Have cleared both with 3 tanks and 3 healers for the hell of it. The dps check is laughableQuote:
Originally Posted by SeleneFatalis
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08-20-2015, 07:08 AMSeleneFatalisQuote:
Originally Posted by Drtoxicmedica
Exactly my point. I've been in parties where they have straight up told me in Bismark EX that I need to DPS because we wouldn't be passing the checks otherwise. Rudely too. I did so, but then the other healer got overwhelmed. Plus, it's not truly needed for me to DPS so much if everyone is properly geared. Not my fault that they aren't and don't blame me for not passing. I can see Savage requiring it though. -
08-20-2015, 05:32 PMReynhartEven there, it shouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drtoxicmedica
Savage would be better, IMO, with mechanics that challenge tanking (and healing), not "doing more DPS".
Every thread I see for tanking in savage is : "Here's the HP threshold, here's the CD rotation, now do the maximum DPS while following it"
I'm sure there are ways to design a fight where tanking is challenging (Swapping, picking adds at the right time, positioning, keeping aggro on multiple targets, etc, etc...)
I won't really talk about healing at high level, since I don't have a lvl 60 healer. -
08-21-2015, 06:42 AMSeleneFatalisBismark EX challenges tanks when it comes to the two dragon adds that give the blue and green debuffs. Gotta swap at the correct time and keep them positioned well. But once you get the mechanics down for that, it's super easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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08-21-2015, 10:06 AMWhistonAnd it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
You don't need to do crazy tank dps in savage, it wasn't designed that way.
You don't need healers to dps in savage. It wasn't designed that way either.
It was designed for a specific amount of damage, determined to be achieved at a specific item level range.
We don't have that item level range.
When you are undergeared for content, as everyone was at the start of savage alexander, then dps of every parry member matters. It always has, and it always will. -
08-21-2015, 03:30 PMRiisWolfNaturally this is what happens when you rush into extremes with DPS too weak to do this on their own, on opening week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiston
Now in addition to the sorry state the playerbase is in, the game being DPS to Threat, DPS to Win, And DPS WTF is healing, the total lack of information, the continued lack of direction from the stupid combo system and the same obnoxious crap all DPS must do to do any real damage, how unwilling, clueless, insecure, and difficult the playerbase is at doing something different or even understanding the game's faults or even taking a hint, hell they make stuff up too, and how the training wheels for the entire ride until the extreme content remained so that scrubs feel their bad job was a good job even after 60 levels in the game. All of this are easily the most toxic things about this game and a good share of this is actually the game's fault.
Tanks shouldn't have to battle the system to keep threat, they should be battling to stay alive as they protect the party. The threat multipliers should never be this low. I don't care for challenge for the sake of it, and this isn't a challenge!!!
DPS shouldn't have to fight the system to deal damage. All of the melee DPS shouldn't be forced to use the combo system and positional with a ton of setup. MCH/BRDs shouldn't be almost the same. BLM/SMN are the only two DPS with any uniqueness to their game.
Healers shouldn't EVER consider DPS, cleric stance is easily the worst thing about this game as a whole. SO we're stuck with healers who snooze, cry about not DPSing, and must be told to LB3 when they should know to do it when more than 5 players are dead.
God Freakin' ' --- -- GOSH!!! >:C -
08-22-2015, 01:36 AMAshkendorSpoken like someone that's never tanked or healed endgame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Berry
I know of plenty of PLD that have statics. I'm one of them, but my static has been together since T6 so I'm not sure if that really counts. Hell, my in-game wife's static has two paladins and they're passing the DPS check on Faust just fine. Some groups are picky and want to follow everything the top groups do without understanding that it's necessity that drives it. On the other hand, there are groups that would be happy just to have two tanks, two healers, and four DPS that don't need to be constantly babysat. When you're doing the content upon release and are undergeared for it, of course every scrap of efficiency matters. Three to four weeks worth of Esoterics later, you have a lot more wiggle room and don't need to worry as much about the party composition. MNK is still a solid choice for a static that doesn't have a DRK, too. AST... well, AST needs some help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transfinite
If the alternative is uselessly beating your face against the enrage while people save up Esoterics to buy gear, I'm all for trying to squeeze some extra DPS out of the tanks and healers. Gotta take what you can get. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart