The big spoiler in the Heavensward opening/trailer was a huge mistake. (spoilers obv)

My slant on the debate.

I have done all MSQ and love the opening of heavensward. I think this serves the purpose for me in getting me (and others who have done 2.55 content) hyped.

However, my wife plays and has not done then new MSQ (only up to 2.5 original). I can not show this to her, as it will spoil things. Is this an issue? Not really in my opinion, as she will likely have to do the quest before she sees this in game.

My problem will be if this plays in game before people have done the MSQ quests.

If SE intended this to get new players, then its not good, not if they did not and are going to use previous "trailers" and some new yet to be be seen stuff, then no issue

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Originally Posted by Kurenai_Night

I disagree with that!

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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with the fact that you find his statement on disagreeing disagreeable. :D

OT: As was said on page 2, there is a spoiler free version, and the warning was clear enough.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

The fact that you are asking this question when the answer is in the very post you are quoting is the kind of thing that goes to show that people don't even read or try to understand my posts.

It is perplexing that posts like this are getting likes, though obviously it can be assumed that one or two people are going through the thread and liking every post that argues for their side.

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I'm just trying to understand your viewpoint. How would you have been drawn to his game had you not been "spoiled" as you said. Maybe you can clarify for this for me: were you spoiled by the end of an era trailer?

That's what my post is about you made it seem that there were spoilers in it and if you had seen a warning prior you wouldn't have brought the game.

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Originally Posted by eagleone

If SE intended this to get new players, then its not good, not if they did not and are going to use previous "trailers" and some new yet to be be seen stuff, then no issue

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They've stated they're going to be showing this in theatres in Japan, which is basically throwing a major spoiler at potential players. And yeah, whether they centrally intended or not for it to be given to new players, the fact is that it could be what pushes them into buying it (And they're aware there will be brand new players, hence the ARR+Heavensward combo pack). And seeing the major spoiler in it is kinda... unfortunate for anyone who might not be playing yet but is interested.

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were you spoiled by the end of an era trailer?

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End of an Era literally ended a game that we could no longer play.

This is very different from this spoiler, which spoils events that a new player will be able to - in fact required to - eventually play through. When Heavensward hits, new players won't magically be skipping the 2.0-2.55 events the same way that functionally we all were forced to skip 1.0s if we weren't there for it.

I think it is a good thing from marketing point of view.

People who play should avoid, (spoilers do warn them) but people who have no clue about story just see some lala lying on the floor with an angry main character of the vid, and some other dude looking really angry and pissed, this sparks interest. What is happening there?

This would put me into the game, and want to play the story to understand the video.

Just cool looking scenes won't do enough (for me), I need to see there is a story, and this one does that.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

Also again a high five to SpookyGhost for being the one sane man here.

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What I glean from your posts is this...

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'insane'.
You obviously do not know what foreshadowing is.
Anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'insane'.
Don't watch RPG opening movies/title screen videos it will ruin the whole game.
Anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'insane'.
Apparently there are leagues of people who DO agree with you but they aren't here right now.
Oh, and anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'insane'.

You're not serious right? Calling people insane just because they don't share your opinion xD

Oh and I am an RPG fan, and I love a good story and I am an avid reader and abhor spoilers, but I always watch opening movies to games.

It is an opening to the story, and offers a glimpse into what 'MAY' come. It is foreshadowing yet does not give away the full twist of the story. It is supposed to draw you in, to want to play and see what happens.

Since the expansion is coming, the 2.0 story is ending therefore it is no longer the focus. If new players decide to watch the spoiler warning trailer then they accept they may see something, but honestly, by the time they get to level 50 and get through tons of the MSQ to get to the last few...they'll likely have forgotten that tiny few seconds in the trailer where they showed something of a character they didn't even know at the time of viewing and they are probably more interested in Heavenward than the old content since they joined specifically for Heavensward.

If the new player does not want to see spoilers there are plenty of other heavenward videos with absolutely zero spoilers in them.

So honestly I am sorry but I don't see your argument and this just seems like an example of people will complain about anything under the sun if they can. Just show your friends the non spoiler videos and then it's all good.

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Originally Posted by Mattiej

I'm just trying to understand your viewpoint. How would you have been drawn to his game had you not been "spoiled" as you said. Maybe you can clarify for this for me: were you spoiled by the end of an era trailer?

That's what my post is about you made it seem that there were spoilers in it and if you had seen a warning prior you wouldn't have brought the game.

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Okay I will explain it again in simple terms.

"End of an Era" got me interested in playing the game.

If End of an Era was preceded with a spoiler warning, I would have stopped watching. The result? I might not have bought the game.

The HW trailer is preceded with a spoiler warning.

Hence, if I wasn't already playing, I wouldn't watch that trailer, and Square Enix would lose a potential customer.

Removing the spoiler warning is also not an option, because people would be outraged at the spoilers.

Thus, the extremely simple solution is to cut those 10 spoilery seconds of the trailer, which would in no way affect its quality, and remove the spoiler warning.

The fact that people argue against this is completely puzzling.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

Common sense tells me that the Heavensward intro won't play at the title screen for a completely new player who buys the complete edition.

But today's trailer, and people's opinions in this thread, lend credence to the absurd motion that it might happen.

That would be immensely stupid.

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First, It's exactly like Bahamut in the video for 2.0 in that it explicitly shows storyline events to those who haven't seen them before and therefore putting this video at the opening follows that precedent exactly. You can not ignore that. You can not belittle that reality that it was technically spoilers for those who never played 1.0.
Second, Yoshida and Square literature themselves call this the opening video. This isn't a debate about it. Canonically from the source it's labeled as an opening video. Your opinion is completely invalid in the face of facts on this matter.
Lastly, you assuming you know what they will do is more inline with being immensely stupid.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

The fact that people argue against this is completely puzzling.

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Try to put yourself in their shoes for a second. Stop assuming only you are correct. Also stop acting condescending with sentences like this one.
You are arguing your OPINION. You are not the harbinger of all things correct and factual. It's your opinion and nothing more. Learn to be nicer about it.

People don't agree with you. Getting nasty about it won't make them agree. Find a way to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

First, It's exactly like Bahamut in the video for 2.0 in that it explicitly shows storyline events to those who haven't seen them before and therefore putting this video at the opening follows that precedent exactly. You can not ignore that. You can not belittle that reality that it was technically spoilers for those who never played 1.0.

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I cannot believe that people are still claiming these scenarios to be identical after three people have already explained why they are not.

And arguing "opening" versus "trailer" is semantics and irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

I cannot believe that people are still claiming these scenarios to be identical after three people have already explained why they are not.

And arguing "opening" versus "trailer" is semantics and irrelevant.

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You're right it is semantic and irrelevant so stop making a big deal about that semantic until someone like me points it out. You can't use it for your arguement and then against it whenever it's convenient for you at the moment.

Additionally, the 2.0 opening and 3.0 opening are clearly doing the same thing and I don't give a crap what other people have said about it. They, like you, are not the lord of all things accurate. Parading their OPINIONS in front of me won't make me back down from what I know to be true. That being that the 2.0 opening cinematic blatantly showed the last bits of story line of the 1.0 era, (Literally it was the exact final cutscene verbatim with just another minute or so added on to the end) and the 3.0 opening has CG animated versions of several parts of the final cut scenes. Both had obvious and clear details of the final story moments from the previous version. Both showed them to potentially players who had never seen it before that moment and therefore it was a spoiler to them. To me and to many that's obviously the same exact concept both times. You can parade a million people in front of me that agree with you, but not one would prevent me from using my brain to see the obvious truth. Only weak men and women are swayed by popular opinion over their own intelligence. The way you exasperatingly act like you can't believe everyone else's opinions speaks more about you than me. It's the final act of someone finding themselves on the wrong side of public opinion. Struggling to maintain relevance by insulting those who disagree.

If you want people to take you seriously in this thread you can not continue to ignore the obvious right in front of you. You can not rely on "other people" to prove your point for you. Assuming that because they agree with you that you are more accurate is a logical fallacy. Look it up. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/rel...to-popularity/

Stop acting so shocked that people don't agree with you. Your incredulousness doesn't make you come across as more correct either. Makes you seem desperate for approval.