Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

'Viable in raids' in reference to WHM is like saying of a restaurant 'No one has had food poisoning'. That is the bare minimum requirement for all the jobs in FFXIV and not a good indication of quality. I come into an expansion expecting innovative, beautiful, fun mechanics and moves that add to the experience. Not half backed RNG mechanics and a handful of abilities we could all essentially ignore and be no worse for wear. That's not even getting into making a whole new job move system that essentially amounts to a WHM buying back their own toys from a bully.

I don't need to play WHM at 70 to know that 4.0's WHM isn't a job I want to play any more. Even if they've tweaked lilies and confessions to be great healing/mitigation tools at endgame, they're not the core problems for me. The narrow focus on 8-man content (which is what it amounts to if you're having to assume the other healer takes certain things or keep rearranging your cross-class slots and keybinds every time you join an instance) bothers me as a casual. The gutting of abilities I used in every fight only to replace them with moar healing bothers me as a casual. The fact that helping new players through hours and hours of synced content (at a level where I won't be able to perform as well as I can in 3.x) will be much harder than before if I stubbornly cling to WHM bothers me as a casual. Unless we cheese everything and charge through as Holy machines who don't need to take are of people rather than running at maximum difficulty... but then why bother playing the game if everything is so easy? There are many types of casual.

So I'm playing the heck out of it in the last few days, then retiring it for the greener pastures of RDM and AST in order to be a statistic. I'm not enough of a masochist to play something with so many problems up to 70 just to confirm what I already know. If I want to try it in PVP I still don't need to bother levelling it up to 70, so it's a pretty easy decision to make.

Your players all around the world are saying "no" to this change, not only because it encourages poor play, but because the mechanic itself is flawed and forces people to hoard stacks (not using abilities) or waste lilies to do their job well. And to add insult to injury, AST is getting some really fun stuff AND gets buffs AND keeps its ridiculous Balance potency. They didn't re-balance the healers at all- they just made AST king of everything and gave SCH a consolation prize. Meanwhile the WHM is staring at their staff, wondering who they pissed off to get such a raw deal. I don't want to get booted and feel like a second-class player because I take WHM into content. I want to have fun with the mechanics you give us. Don't force me to spam Cure I and Cure II to use the fun things and feel powerful. Don't gate my big fun stuff behind lilies that get used whether I want them to be or not. Give me choices and something that makes me desirable in an end-game 8-man raid.

For those saying calm down; the Whm community has a barrel of apples and bed of hot coals ready to roast Yoshi P and you along with him should Whm prove not to be any good at 70. So pack your bags and write your last will and testment cause if Whm is not better at 70, whm players are going to roast you over those hot coals.

p.s Remember Bards going from 2.0 to 3.0 when saying Calm down...

I think WHM could use a little more nerfing in the AoE department personally. (　^ω^)

And SCH.

And Ast.

The cross-role stuff and its lack of replacements continues to grate. Healer abilities are hard to balance because a lot of them are 'selfless'; if I don't take the optimal cross-role abilities on BLM my DPS will be slightly lower depending on what others do, or maybe things will be harder on the healers. Big deal. I guarantee that nobody will care. If I don't take the optimal cross-role abilities on WHM I will feel crippled and unable to do my job in content which actually requires me to be a healer (as opposed to when I'm a bonus simplified DPS who occasionally uses Regen).

Esuna doesn't generally help me feel stronger, it helps other people do their job. Protect isn't an option, it's a boring baseline stat boost everyone is always presumed to have that has no deeper gameplay impact. If two healers take it in one party, it's inefficient. Even having it on your bar after the initial cast is inefficient. Swiftcast is critical without any other way to speed up important spells like Raise (of course, other jobs are less pressured here - one less thing for the WHM to be in charge of I guess).

Rescue, 'Divine Seal', the new Cleric Stance, Surecast (lol); those are optional things that people can take according to their playstyle, though I'm sure most of us will feel obliged to take the most important ones we used to have to claw back some semblance of our current functionality. Overall, the 'new' abilities represent an inappropriate, lazy use of the cross-role system that make us feel incomplete when it comes to our core roles. I don't like how it feels; it's not satisfying. Psychologically speaking, a healer without Swiftcast is a risk-taker who can still perform so long as nothing goes wrong, especially now Stoneskin II's removal negates one of my preferred reasons to use it. However, a healer without some kind of native Esuna isn't even a proper healer. It's probably 'balanced' for when we get Esunaga in 6.0 (SCH already has their version, after all, and even BRD has a native Esuna of sorts), but I won't be going back to WHM after such a long drought.

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Originally Posted by BroodingFicus

'Viable in raids' in reference to WHM is like saying of a restaurant 'No one has had food poisoning'. That is the bare minimum requirement for all the jobs in FFXIV and not a good indication of quality.

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Truth be told, I'd not be surprised if the dev team is secretly all like:
"I don't understand why they're so upset, WHM's heals are great!", as usual completely neglecting every other aspect of the jobs because hey, healers only heal, right? DPS is not taken into account (even though you'll need it until you overgear *winkwink*) and when they first talked about monk utility, they openly admitted that raid synergy had not been taken into account before either, which led to monk in particular being sidelined, hence the new utility (Nevermind the fact they then went ahead and created SAM without such for reasons). I'd not be surprised if they completely overlooked healers in that process.

Ah well! Nothing to do about it. They're gonna ignore the feedback until Omega anyway and chances are, the only feedback they'll care about then will be the statistic <.<

It's like reading a whiny bunch of kids hue hue hue.

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Originally Posted by KingFrost

Could you, in a succinct, non-hyperbolic manner explain in what way WHM is better than Ast or Sch? As in, what actual worth it has above the other two healers? Or how it is in any way intuitively designed? Please, defend Confession, stacks we have to watch on 3-7 party members. Or how Lilys are even useful or actually​ add to the job's function or fun factor?

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huh? Do you really want me to offer up MY OPINION?? Or is this a troll bait??

FINE ILL BITE ANYWAYS!!

The word "better" is completely subjective! For some ppl, "better" can mean "simple", "easier to handle". Meanwhile others attribute another meaning to the word "better".

Simplicity

Actions
Even with the Lily & confessions added complexity, WHM remains the simplest of the 3 healers, with the lowest number of actions overall and lowest actions/min to manage overall. SE has purposely design its content (healing-wise) to make healing management virtually the same among all 3 healers (at least that's what Yoshi said they did...we'll have to play and see if we agree.). So here you have the lowest actions-healer having the same healing output as its higher action & actions/min counterparts. Meaning one can say," A WHM can with much simplicity handle the same content a SCH/AST can handle (healing wise)." That same one could also say, "being able to do the same (healing) job with less resources is BETTER!"

Mana

WHM has the "better" MP management (best management). Now I know a bunch of ppl will try to claim to be MP-managment-demi-gods!! But a more realistic outlook is : MP management in a long up-time fight can and has been an issue for healers. Even though we will now have, mana-shift, brd/mch mp regen, and cross class Lucid Dreaming, WHM has the best personal resources to assist its MP management (thin air, assize, freecure*, & confession procs). Now AST has the worst mp management on avg!:o.

Let's take a closer look at the mana-shift ability and brd/mch mp regens.

mana-shift
Rdm has NO personal mp regen ability....which means Rdm will not shift you shittttt in a fight, they need their mp! SMN is a bit better since they have Aetherflow, but that's assuming they're managing their MP efficiently (not over doing it on the non-DT ruin III's); so really the only caster at liberty to share its mana is a BLM(and you WHMs think you have it bad?? they took away BLMs party utility, they took away current foe's function, and I highly doubt BLM will remain second in single target raw dps like it is now...
good luck" finding a BLM in best "comp").

range mp ability
Current Mage's Ballad and MP turret and AST's ewer all give 30 potency/tic. Mages and turret, if started at full mp, can last up to 1 min 45 sec. The new Stormblood mp/tp regen range abilities doesn't list the potency, but they only last for 30 sec over a 3min cd. So if their respective potencies are also 30/tic, healers that struggle with MP managment aren't gonna find 300 potency mp regen/3min very useful. And you could do both turret and mage's in current dire situations, but no longer moving forward...





In conclusion

WHM can heal all fights with less resources to manage than its counterparts which leaves it more room for error by comparison. WHM also has the best MP managing utilities which again leaves more room for error compared to AST/SCH. For those players that value these "perks" over everything else, WHM is "better" than SCH/AST




note: I am NOT one of those players;)... but with a community that currently struggles to dps while healing in a DUNGEONS?? I HIGHLY doubt that most DO NOT prioritize simplicity over everything else.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

For those saying calm down; the Whm community has a barrel of apples and bed of hot coals ready to roast Yoshi P and you along with him should Whm prove not to be any good at 70. So pack your bags and write your last will and testment cause if Whm is not better at 70, whm players are going to roast you over those hot coals.

p.s Remember Bards going from 2.0 to 3.0 when saying Calm down...

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You are saying that a videogame developer should write a will.... mostly rooted in information from a build from April... in regards to a videogame that hasn't been released.

Regardless of what WHM ends up being, you need to calm down. It's not that deep.

i main WHM but might go to RDM or sam if these changes are this bad on the 16th i wont wine about it or freak out about it just 1 less healer on my server

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Originally Posted by javid

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WHM has much worse MP management than AST and SCH. AST can technically put a mp card on himself and even extend both mp card and their shrouds by another 10 seconds, wich then gives them mana for days. On top of that the card could potentially buffed beforehand to last longer/be stronger. AST even has noticeable lower MP costs overall...
As soon as you get a fight that exceeds 5 minutes WHM is running dry on mana and needs help, wich then lowers other peoples dps (Brd needs to stop requiem and whatnot) while AST and SCH can easily take care of their mp pool by themself.

Edit: AST also got Lightspeed (Granted i dont know if it is still a thing in SB), wich reduces mana costs by another 25%. Did i mention you can extend this one too? Dont tell me WHM has best mana management.

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i main WHM but might go to RDM or sam if these changes are this bad on the 16th i wont wine about it or freak out about it just 1 less healer on my server

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Get out of here with your logic. lol
But for real, I'll probably just play something else for awhile, Samurai and Paladin both look awesome for Stormblood. Now I'll get to be the one standing in aoe and yelling "heal me :V"

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Originally Posted by BroodingFicus

'Viable in raids' in reference to WHM is like saying of a restaurant 'No one has had food poisoning'. That is the bare minimum requirement for all the jobs in FFXIV and not a good indication of quality.

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This, sooo much. WHM is indeed viable. But it's the worse healer you can pick by far.
It's such a copout phrase that forces people to shut up about it, but doesn't solve any of the issues at all.
And I hate it that SE of all people are the main ones saying this crap.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

This, sooo much. WHM is indeed viable. But it's the worse healer you can pick by far.
It's such a copout phrase that forces people to shut up about it, but doesn't solve any of the issues at all.
And I hate it that SE of all people are the main ones saying this crap.

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Not just that he said it, the way he said it. It wasn't a "Hey, relax, we looked at the feedback, we made some adjustments, you'll be fine." It was a "Meh. We know what we're doing. Deal." =/

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

huh?

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• What are your chances of getting an Ewer draw? 1 out of 6 every 30 sec.
  
• What is the priority of your card system? DPS!!
  
• Is Ewer dps? NOOO!!
  
• Can you guarantee to have an Ewer card exactly when you need it? Yes, if you're willing to neglect your dps priority of your card system!
  
• What AST in their right mind would sit on their Celestial Opposition to extend the Ewer card usage? Apparently you
  
• Which Cooldown offers more efficient MP management "Thin Air" or "Light Speed"? Thin Air...guy, be serious.
  
• What does AST have comparable to Assize in terms of MP!!!? NOTHING.... (please don't say ewer... u can't guarantee it every 60 sec, it doesn't amount to 10% of your Max[someone fact check this please], nor is MP regeneration the priority of your card system):mad::mad:

Also you said AST/SCH ....but you only proposed [false] evidence for AST's superior and DEPENDABLE MP regeneration.

But before you even go there, let me help. Aetherflow mp regen got nerfed, but at least you got lucid dreaming now....the end.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...s_across_jobs/

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

Not just that he said it, the way he said it. It wasn't a "Hey, relax, we looked at the feedback, we made some adjustments, you'll be fine." It was a "Meh. We know what we're doing. Deal." =/

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Just like 2.0 Warrior or 3.0 AST. Gotta keep complaining til it's fixed, 6 months later.

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Originally Posted by javid

BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED....

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TFW your Sleeve Draw gives you Extended Ewer :(

I'm going to enjoy blasting through 60-70 as WHM. I'll likely try to get into Omega as early as possible while people are less picky, and try to unlock as much of it as possible before the inevitable sideline, after which I'll use the exp bonus to level a raid useful class. God I hate saying that.

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Originally Posted by Kethic

I'm going to enjoy blasting through 60-70 as WHM. I'll likely try to get into Omega as early as possible while people are less picky, and try to unlock as much of it as possible before the inevitable sideline, after which I'll use the exp bonus to level a raid useful class. God I hate saying that.

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I'm not even going to touch it.

When Heavensward came out, I so did not like all the nerfs to WHM so I didn't level it. I went through and lvled lolDRG to 60 first. We had no healers in our FC so I finally leveled it.

But this time, no. I'm not even touching it. I'm putting down my cane for good.

That whole "you need to get to 70 and raid before you decide".. just no. I just closed the LL after that. Showcasing certain jobs and not releasing prelim patch notes just says to me that you don't want us to know beforehand what you have done. And that it IS THAT BAD as we fear.

It's the same excuse whenever they break a job and expect us to just "go with it". Just NO SE. We are telling you NO.

I truly believe at this point Yoshi needs to be replaced. Broken PLD. Broken WAR. Broken BRD. Broken AST. Broken DRK. Now completely dead WHM. See a pattern here? Why are jobs consistently being broken? Why can't they seem to manage and even out the jobs? Why is this such a problem for them? It's always majorly break a few and boost others through the roof. There is no middle ground with them.

You know, we were going back and forth between buying two different games expansions, this and ESO's. I think we bought the wrong one.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

You blow this out of proportion lol. None of those jobs were "majorly broken." They were always viable

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Viable to play DOES NOT MEAN not broken or optimal to play or offers anything other than it's primary function. Sure it can heal.. and??? That's viable. That's all it is. Viable. It offers NOTHING else.

And I'm sure people who mained those jobs would say otherwise.

My Ideas for White Mage changes:

DPS:

-Aero resets your Aero III on the target

-Stone returns MP% if your target is afflicted w/ Aero/Aero III

(This would give WHM's DPS longevity)

Healing/Util:

-Make a single target water based ability that heals a target and increases their total health by 10% or more, lasting at least 10 seconds with a fairly short cd (30-45 seconds).

-Make a wide, water based (channeled?) aoe that increases and heals the party's health by 10% for 10-15 seconds. If the effect lasts until it's end, have it replenish 10%-15% of the group MP and TP. Would have a Long CD (maybe 300 seconds).


The new healing spells would provide good replacement for Stoneskin as that's not only unique but could stack with the damage reducing abilities the other healers have. And the group ability would totally complement the shield bubbles the other two healers have as well as a great tool to provide extra resources.

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Originally Posted by Seraphyna

I truly believe at this point Yoshi needs to be replaced. Broken PLD. Broken WAR. Broken BRD. Broken AST. Broken DRK. Now completely dead WHM. See a pattern here? Why are jobs consistently being broken? Why can't they seem to manage and even out the jobs? Why is this such a problem for them? It's always majorly break a few and boost others through the roof. There is no middle ground with them.

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You blow this out of proportion lol. None of those jobs were "majorly broken." They were always viable and were only ever being left out of world-first progression because they lacked 5%-10% DPS on other jobs, not because they couldn't clear content. WHM isn't dead, you haven't played it yet and we don't even know the finished tooltips yet and even then the tooltips we had didn't kill it you people are just complete drama queens.

When was BRD broken? You mean that one month when it lacked the 10% boost from Wanderer's Minuet that got fixed the next patch and it was immediately made into a fucking DPS god that got brought into all progression groups? Same story with MCH? And AST? And WAR? And now is probably gonna happen with PLD? If anything this suggests that if WHM is "dead" it's going to be really fucking good in 4.1 so I don't understand why you're whining so hard about this game's balancing considering all of the jobs are able to do progression content on the same patch if the player is good enough.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

You blow this out of proportion lol. None of those jobs were "majorly broken." They were always viable and were only ever being left out of world-first progression because they lacked 5%-10% DPS on other jobs, not because they couldn't clear content. WHM isn't dead, you haven't played it yet and we don't even know the finished tooltips yet and even then the tooltips we had didn't kill it you people are just complete drama queens.

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Unfortunately, players who raid at a level of "just under super hardcore" all the way down to casual for some reason think that if they act like the cutting edge people, they will actually be cutting edge, which is why we have these problems 99% of the time. Literally any combo of healer, tank, and DPS (with the obvious exception of double classes) is going to work for progression raiding. Unless you're actually raiding at the bleeding edge, don't complain that your favorite class isn't going to be brought for bleeding edge...and bleeding edge raiders don't stick with one class in the first place.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

[...] not because they couldn't clear content.

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If "clearing content" is all you're concerned with...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHZBr4u7yk

It's "viable". I'm not sure if it will still be possible come Stormblood or if you're gonna be forced into jobs, but if it's still possible, please do not complain if people in your group don't unlock their job. Even Savage content can be cleared in classes and it's perfectly viable.

An organized group of raiders doing something as classes is not the same as some rando queueing into a dungeon or 24 man who hasn't unlocked their job and doesn't know how the game works.

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Originally Posted by Seraphyna

I truly believe at this point Yoshi needs to be replaced. Broken PLD. Broken WAR. Broken BRD. Broken AST. Broken DRK. Now completely dead WHM. See a pattern here? Why are jobs consistently being broken? Why can't they seem to manage and even out the jobs? Why is this such a problem for them? It's always majorly break a few and boost others through the roof. There is no middle ground with them.

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Bring the Salt level down a few pegs and come back when you can see straight alright? This behavior doesn't change or fix any of the problems listed in the thread, nor does it make you look any less pathetic..

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Originally Posted by Seraphyna

FIX MY JOB OR RIOT!!

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Not an actual quote, but this is pretty much how you sound...

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Originally Posted by Zojha

If "clearing content" is all you're concerned with...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHZBr4u7yk

It's "viable". I'm not sure if it will still be possible come Stormblood or if you're gonna be forced into jobs, but if it's still possible, please do not complain if people in your group don't unlock their job. Even Savage content can be cleared in classes and it's perfectly viable.

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I don't understand why you're whining so hard about this game's balancing considering all of the jobs are able to do progression content on the same patch if the player is good enough.

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http://i.imgur.com/30LNN8i.png

http://i.imgur.com/t5LwqEI.png

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Edit because I don't think you understand: that fight came out in September/October and released i260/270 upgrade gear that patch. By April you could get i280 Weapons from Diadem and i265 gear easily from Diadem and farm i270 upgrade tokens weekly from the Void Ark.

Edit 2: At any rate are you arguing that the 5-10% in DPS that the jobs differ does or doesn't matter? Cuz if the classes can clear fine then it doesn't matter, which you just provided proof for, which renders the argument that jobs are "broken and need balancing useless...." and if you're trying to argue that it DOES matter then....you're doing a bad job of it by providing proof that it doesn't matter by posting that video......so I don't understand why you quoted me

I suspect the answer to WHM complaints will be "wait until the raid is on duty finder", which is frankly, unacceptable. But it's also the answer I expect.

People are not stupid, of course.
We can analyze jobs changes without playing, but the best feedback we can give to Yoshi is when we could play the job in every content, many times.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Edit because I don't think you understand: that fight came out in September/October and released i260/270 upgrade gear that patch. By April you could get i280 Weapons from Diadem and i265 gear easily from Diadem and farm i270 upgrade tokens weekly from the Void Ark

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*snerk*
You think that matters to people who are good enough to beat that fight in classes? They probably already handily got the i270 gear and weapons months ago via raiding and just did it in april for the lulz because they got the thing on farm and got bored.

In fact, they first did it with echo to see if it was possible, then decided to try again without. They most likely didn't even have Diadem weapons, because those are fairly rare. They "could" have done it on the same patch, if they had wanted. They just didn't, it was easier to learn in jobs first.

The whole point is: If "viability" is all you're concerned with, then you can leave any and all balancing discussions for good, because even classes are viable, so jobs will definitely be. You have nothing to discuss, there's no point even raising your voice. You're just noise.

Balance is a different thing that's about whether the jobs will be equally good, or at least roughly. That is an independent discussion from viability - you can have all jobs balanced without any of them being viable and all viable without any of them being balanced. And this is what people are worried about with white mage. It will most definitely be able to clear all content - but is there any reason to pick one over an Astrologian? Is there a reason to pick a Conjurer over a White Mage? That's the thing people are worried about. The content will be clearable, that's taken for granted.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

[...]with white mage. It will most definitely be able to clear all content - but is there any reason to pick one over an Astrologian? or a SCH ?

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Fixed.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I dunno, plenty of people would probably prefer to take an experienced WHM over an FOTM AST reroller.

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True.
AST is far more complex than WHM to play (before 4.0).

I dunno, plenty of people would probably prefer to take an experienced WHM over an FOTM AST reroller.

Also, there are a million reasons to choose WHM over CNJ, so why even bring that up? Just because one very good farm group managed to do it all as classes with Echo off doesn't mean suddenly everyone should start doing stuff as classes.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

If "clearing content" is all you're concerned with...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHZBr4u7yk

It's "viable". I'm not sure if it will still be possible come Stormblood or if you're gonna be forced into jobs, but if it's still possible, please do not complain if people in your group don't unlock their job. Even Savage content can be cleared in classes and it's perfectly viable.

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THIS VIDEO IS RAWWW AS F***K!!!! These are the kind of players I'd love to surround myself around, ppl that sit down and maximize the potential given to them. Man!! I really like that clear!!


....to be fair...they are sitting on max gear :P. still very coool!!! I think it's fair to say not every raid group (among the ones that consistently clear) can pull this off with no shields, no regens, no divine veil (they have mantra*), no shroud, no benediction, no fey-anything, no fairy, no ast buffs, no excessive cure spam (both healers have decent dps uptime) and no echo...

I am aware that heavy nerfs will come this week, but I'd like to suggest some skills:

- Shell: Yes, Shell. Why not let WHM have an magic damage barrier in the form of Shell? On FF series, it was always the White Mage's responsibility to put up Protect and Shell.

- Quicken: That's a Time Magic that could level WHM with the cleric classes on other MMORPGs. The effect could grant Haste, reduction to all attack times and increased movement speed for a given time.

- Bravery/Valor: This is a White Magic that first appeared on Final Fantasy IV. It increases the physical damage or the buffed character's stength.

- Dispel: It could cancel every buff that is in effect on the target. It is a White Magic that first appeared on the first Final Fantasy.

- Slow: A Time Magic to slow down the target.

And I hope that Break can actually turn the enemy into a stone?

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

- Shell: Yes, Shell. Why not let WHM have an magic damage barrier in the form of Shell? On FF series, it was always the White Mage's responsibility to put up Protect and Shell.

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Was Merged into protect a long time ago, back when ARR first launched. Not a fan of this, and really just an extra button..

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

- Quicken: That's a Time Magic that could level WHM with the cleric classes on other MMORPGs. The effect could grant Haste, reduction to all attack times and increased movement speed for a given time.

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Could be good if balanced correctly. Take off the movement speed tho, not really needed, and just call it Haste, for ease of purpose.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

- Bravery/Valor: This is a White Magic that first appeared on Final Fantasy IV. It increases the physical damage or the buffed character's stength.

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I'm on the fence here. It would need a reasonably long CD to be balanced. The actual Balance card is pretty rng, and this as a spell or ability would dwarf it pretty harshly if the CD was to short.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

- Dispel: It could cancel every buff that is in effect on the target. It is a White Magic that first appeared on the first Final Fantasy.

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This could actually be really useful, but the draw back to this is that when debuffs come down, its usually only 1 debuff. Maybe making it an AoE cleanse would be better?

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

- Slow: A Time Magic to slow down the target.

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NOPE!! Satus effects only work in niche situations and adding this would just be another button to add to the "I don't even need this on my bar.".

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

- Shell: Yes, Shell. Why not let WHM have an magic damage barrier in the form of Shell? On FF series, it was always the White Mage's responsibility to put up Protect and Shell.

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You already have shell as WHM as it is part of "Protect".
http://i.imgur.com/KHz8gzb.png

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Originally Posted by winsock

You are saying that a videogame developer should write a will.... mostly rooted in information from a build from April... in regards to a videogame that hasn't been released.

Regardless of what WHM ends up being, you need to calm down. It's not that deep.

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My post was expression of how people feel please calm down don't take it seriously. I personally don't care about the changes but others do and feel Yohsi has screwed up again. Can't blame them for not wanting to wait until 70 after looking at the past.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I dunno, plenty of people would probably prefer to take an experienced WHM over an FOTM AST reroller.

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How about you do a fair comparison and see who wants to take a equally skilled WHM vs an equally skilled AST.

Had they given us arise or raise II I feel like that would have worked or haste

I'm not going to add too much more theorycraft since early release is in two days and I'll probably revisit the numbers once release build hits (or we get patch notes). Here are my wish list desires for WHM on release and let's see how wrong I am.

1. Regen casts and HoT ticks have the ability to proc Confession stacks (25-35% rate)
2. Stone, Aero, and Regen casts have the ability to generate a Lily (20% rate)
3. Either higher recast reduction bonuses or better bonus effects on Lily usages (Divine Benision giving a higher shield depending on # of Lilies, Tetra granting a damage mitigation buff for a period of time, Asylum granting haste to anyone in the bubble, anyone hit by Assize getting a 5% of their HP shield of infinite duration, etc.)
4. A trait that reduces Largesse recast to 60s (and maybe increase the bonus potency to a total of 30%)

In theory with the way WHM is currently designed it should have the largest effective MP pool of the three healers, I'd almost argue you wouldn't need Largesse given the amount of oGCD heals they have too. I'm looking forward to pounding out SB with WHM after looking at the kit. Give it a few more ways to increase the overall kit synergy and you have a force to be reckoned with.