Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

Had an interesting vault run, I normally tank but felt like a change of pace and wanted choose to get some roulette experience on my ninja. Tank was doing single pulls healer was trying encourage them telling them they can do more. Tank then replied to the healer you do not speak for the group. So we the dps chimed in and said we are cool with larger pulls. Tank the replied does not matter they are not okay with larger pulls and they would appreciate it if we tried to force our play style on them. If we kept pushing him he would report us.

So the healer ate the timer, tank then questioned why did they leave single pulls and w2w pulls speed differences is not large enough to warrent being inconsiderate to another player. We told him you really were not being considerate towards the group. Majority wanted to do larger pulls and you refused to even try. The considerate thing imo I told them would be to try it first if we wipe then adjust but to put your foot down and not even try is just lame.

They tried to explain that a wipe is not worth it, I told him wait and see if a wipe happens. He left soon after. The second dps needed to clear it so we made a party and I queued as a tank. This just got me thinking how common is this mindset amongst tanks that they have final say. Tbh my personal view of level of importance is dps > healer / tank. I always veiwed good dps are leaps and bounds more impactful to a group then healers or tanks. Good dps can honestly make meh healers and tanks look half decent, and I always felt dps is the most important aspect to a non stressful run.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

One drk that had to put up with your terrible mindset

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Especially on a DRK, you don't even have TBN at that level!

Also, that snark... I'd just reply with "Yes, I have an appointment with a proper healer".

Did they at least have the fairy out? Did they press the fairy's buttons? Did they use Place?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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Especially on a DRK, you don't even have TBN at that level!

Also, that snark... I'd just reply with "Yes, I have an appointment with a proper healer".

Did they at least have the fairy out? Did they press the fairy's buttons? Did they use Place?

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Sadly they would either eat the fairy just for Aetherflow or let Selene heal me often with Embrace, but only twice did I see them use Whispering Dawn the entire run. I doubt they even had Aetherflow on their hotbar.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Especially on a DRK, you don't even have TBN at that level!

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It would be really hard to disagree with that. In my opinion, DRK between 50 and 70 is the weakest tank on the defensive side and by a significant margin.

You still have the other CD, but in term of self healing, PLD and WAR are doing significantly better because of Clemency or Raw Intuition.

So yeah, I can understand the headaches caused by such a healer

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

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I agree with some of this, but also disagree on some point too.

First things, if the tank and/or the healer don't have enough stuffs, doing large pull can be quite challenging to do, if not impossible in some case (I had a healer that bad one day, my potion was healing better than him, so I couldn't do wall to wall pull like usual in a lvl 50 dungeon, so basically no sustain either)

Second thing, I think it's good to ask for the big pull right at the beginning just to see if everyone is okay with it, thus, avoiding any kind of surprise. Having a tank who don't make huge pull is fine imo (In the condition that he's learning what to do and get used to his kit first, or it's his first time running the dungeon.) I see sometimes healer asking me to slow down the tanking cause they're affraid (at the beginning of the dungeon) then he start to feel more confident and ask for bigger pull after the first boss.

One point I agree with is the importance of DPS (but maybe not on the same scale as you). If the pack of monster don't die quick enough, tank might run out of mitigation or healer out of powerfull healing abilities, and that can cause unwanted death. Basically, you are right with this sentence : "Good dps can honestly make meh healers and tanks look half decent" but you'll agree with me that even with all your good will, sometimes this can't be done cause they just are "that" bad. Also, Tank placing monster correctly in order to AoE to touch the maximum amount of monster (Especially with huge monster), and healer not putting themselves in danger that might kill them will also help a lot. Anyway it's easy to see what role in the team is doing bad at some point.

For your story in the vault tho, that tank was spouting non-sense. "You don't speak for the team, but it doesn't matter what the team say." I'm sorry but, what kind of bullsh*t is that ? If the team was okay with it he should have AT LEAST try a Wall to wall pull...

The fairy is so busted strong pre-50 that a lot of scholars are absolutely terrible. They expect the fairy to carry them and don't really NEED their shields...but should use anyway to get into the habit.

The ONLY reason I have Physick on my hotbar is when things have taken a turn for the ugly and I'm out of aetherflow and most things are on cooldown. I think I can count the amount of situations on one hand...while missing some fingers. However on those extremely rare instances did Physick come in with the save.

So today in Copied Factory I learned that, if you're unable to see the opposing tank on the other tank, you have a 90% chance of getting pvp cross-beamed and barely surviving as a war tank.

Unfortunately that happened to me, I survived with not enough hp to live through the next raidwide. I'm fairly certain the other war tank wasn't happy with me ripping hate from him on Engels and 9S and he more than likely sniped me. However he ended up dying near the end from the tankbuster with 9 vuln stacks with mitigation. *shrug* Was funny to watch.

Soooooo been working on my ARR Relic, cause I never made one of those.

Needed to do 50/60/70/80 dungeons to get what is apparently a daily map. I ended up in the Burn. Tank pulled half packs at a time and I didn't feel like dodging the duty soooooo I just went with it. It's tolerable but eventually at the mist dragon they failed to DPS down the 3 adds while the dragon is vaporized. The tanks a sprout so that's whatever, but we had a level 90 SAM and RPR with us. That shouldn't have happened.

So yeah, I got to forcefully heal through everything. Ended up resing everyone once in the process.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

14. Saying 'our tank has somewhere to be' when I hit Sprint and calling me cringe when I try to motivate the party after a wipe that your Physick-spamming caused is a very poor attitude to have. Drop the poor attitude now or get kicked in the future.

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I would have initiated a vote-kick for those two things alone.

Took me a while but finally found someone who told me to NEVER use a ranged/caster LB on mobs in a dungeon. Gotta save that LB against Stone Vigil final boss, I guess?

Got Rescued out of using an LB in a trial. Because the healer in question and another DPS were together and they wanted it.

'Kay, have fun.

Dungeon Roulette: Castrum Abania (Level 69 dungeon near end of Stormblood)

The Dark Knight doesn't have their tank stance on, and when asked to put it on they have no idea what I'm talking about. I tell them it's called "Grit," and to just keep it active for the dungeon. They do, and say sorry and that they are new (almost through Stormblood MSQ and are "new," okay buddy). From there on out, it's single pulls all the way and I'm pretty sure they did not use any damage mitigation or even an AoE, but we all keep a good vibe and the DRK is responsive to advice. They didn't stand in the circle they were supposed to during the first boss, but they managed to figure out the elemental-shifting mechanic so that's better than some players I've seen!

After the first boss, the DRK doesn't move for a while and says "LEAD ME." They apologize for the accidental all-caps and explain they don't know where to go. Um, there's only one way to go, you can't get lost, lol. But okay, we kind of drag them along for a while and eventually they seem to get more comfortable moving along. Grit falls off at some point, but I catch it before any disasters occur and remind them.

All in all, I can't say it was a terrible time and the other players were also patient and understanding. And no wipes! But for curiosity's sake, I did go snoop that Dark Knight's lodestone profile after we finished. They had multiple jobs at level 70, and even a couple at 80, as well as a bunch of other jobs at various stages. They played other tank jobs somewhat, though their 70 DRK was their highest. Anyway, I hope they had fun and will continue to learn, but... man, how do you get to 70 and not know to use a tank stance? I almost wonder if we were playing with some kid using their parent's account or something. :p

I had a similar incident. Dead Ends (it's always freaking Dead Ends). I was WAR, healer was SGE, and then there were a melee and a ranged DD. Of course, we all started getting swatted by the boss's wind AoEs, admittedly me as well, and getting Necrosis. Our ranged was BRD but their cleanse has a cooldown, so they really weren't ready for how many times we got hit by that stuff. The healer was the first to each time, and they didn't Esuna anything.

At first I threw out just an "Esuna" in chat, but after the first wipe it all went the same. Two more pulls, two more wipes. I remember being at that boss for 15 minutes at the very least. Then, the healer pipes up. Asks how to remove the "blue" debuff. I say "Esuna". They ask, Esuna? I explain it's under their Role Actions. They still can't find it. So I go in better detail, asking them to press P, check the tabs on the side, pick Role, and then choose the blue icon. The BRD also chimes in with similar advice. They take a moment, and find it.

We pull again, and wipe once more because the healer forgets to cleanse themselves when they get the debuff, and because I'm also a bad player I do the same right after. Healer apologizes, and then our next pull was the final one, with them cleansing whenever needed. The next bosses go mostly okay - Ra La was our cleanest. In total 40 minutes spent in there.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

I had a similar incident. Dead Ends (it's always freaking Dead Ends). I was WAR, healer was SGE, and then there were a melee and a ranged DD. Of course, we all started getting swatted by the boss's wind AoEs, admittedly me as well, and getting Necrosis. Our ranged was BRD but their cleanse has a cooldown, so they really weren't ready for how many times we got hit by that stuff. The healer was the first to each time, and they didn't Esuna anything.

At first I threw out just an "Esuna" in chat, but after the first wipe it all went the same. Two more pulls, two more wipes. I remember being at that boss for 15 minutes at the very least. Then, the healer pipes up. Asks how to remove the "blue" debuff. I say "Esuna". They ask, Esuna? I explain it's under their Role Actions. They still can't find it. So I go in better detail, asking them to press P, check the tabs on the side, pick Role, and then choose the blue icon. The BRD also chimes in with similar advice. They take a moment, and find it.

We pull again, and wipe once more because the healer forgets to cleanse themselves when they get the debuff, and because I'm also a bad player I do the same right after. Healer apologizes, and then our next pull was the final one, with them cleansing whenever needed. The next bosses go mostly okay - Ra La was our cleanest. In total 40 minutes spent in there.

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To get ALL they way to the end and not only not know what Esuna is...but not know what a Role Action is absolutely amazing.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

To get ALL they way to the end and not only not know what Esuna is...but not know what a Role Action is absolutely amazing.

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In hindsight I should have used the Auto-Translate feature, but since I never have so far I felt awkward to try figuring out how to do it now. They might not have had an English client so couldn't get where "Esuna" and "Role Actions" are.

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Originally Posted by Smollett

Those "Sowy in advance I'm new to the job/duty UwU" people are really something. They know they're bad but don't care enough to try to be better. It's like they have a legit pass to screw up, sometimes intentionally.

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I appreciate the heads up when I'm healing or tanking, and do the same myself. You gotta do it to learn how to do it, and get good at it. Its when people don't even try, ignore advice ir get pissy when it becomes a problem.

Cutter's Cry with a mentor all-jobs-at-90 WHM that was so active that the other DPS died from boss dots twice and I also got a close call ;)

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Originally Posted by Tiramu

I appreciate the heads up when I'm healing or tanking, and do the same myself. You gotta do it to learn how to do it, and get good at it. Its when people don't even try, ignore advice ir get pissy when it becomes a problem.

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It's not about getting heads up. As someone said "Don't be sorry, be better". When someone in lvl 60 dungeon acting like cure bot or single targeting mobs or not using any cds, you know "Sorry knew" can be translated as "l'm going to screw up. Deal with it or leave".

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

Took me a while but finally found someone who told me to NEVER use a ranged/caster LB on mobs in a dungeon. Gotta save that LB against Stone Vigil final boss, I guess?

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It is better to use the LB on a group of trash in a dungeon, in my opinion, especially if the tank pulls big. It shaves off more time this way than using it on a boss, waiting a second or two to finish casting and dealing a negligible amount of damage to it when it could have been dead before the LB finished casting.

i think ranged lb1 on three enemies does already more dmg than melee lb2?
and the cast time is shorter, and lb2 isnt always full either

Another "fun" tank tonight! This time in World of Darkness.

This WAR's HP is yoyo-ing like mad, so I'm wondering "What is this tank wearing, tissue paper?" I inspect them, and... two of their pieces are Level 35 from Sunken Temple of Qarn. Another two are linen mage pieces with MIND/INT on them. Clearly, they either didn't do their Job Quests, or they were intentionally not wearing the gear rewards from them just to be a troll.

I commented to them in chat about their "interesting" gear choices, and they laughed it off. The other healer was like "Yeah, ha ha, hope the raid gives you some level 50 tank gear!" to which the tank replied "nah i want xp not gear."

Surprisingly, they were not doing this to cheese Alliance Raid roulette for Crystal Tower, as their WAR was only level 55 and that's the only raid they could do anyway. So, they were just being bad for bad's sake. It wasn't a newbie mistake either, as they have played multiple jobs including two other tanks at 90. They knew what they were doing. Apparently they got tired of their own nonsense halfway through as they dropped their tank stance and then whined that the other tanks weren't picking up aggro fast enough for their liking.

They GTFO'd the instant the raid was over -- I guess they really were serious about not wanting new gear!

I was THIS CLOSE to reporting them afterwards, but to be honest I'm not even sure this is technically against the Terms of Service and probably wouldn't get actioned anyway. I have no way of proving the intent behind their shenanigans, and I'm sure the GMs have seen it all. But man, this kind of clown behaviour should not be allowed to happen in the first place. Why can a tank even enter a raid in caster threads and not having done their job quests?

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

Took me a while but finally found someone who told me to NEVER use a ranged/caster LB on mobs in a dungeon. Gotta save that LB against Stone Vigil final boss, I guess?

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I'll commend any Ranged DPS that LBs the trash pulls. It's just so rare to see it, even in expert roulette. I usually pop the LB after the end of the dungeon as healer/tank to remind people that it existed.

I don't play DPS often(although I'll usually play SMN if I do), and I always feel so apprehensive about using it myself too because I expect exactly what happened to you. I'm waiting for the day where it does still though, thankfully.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It is better to use the LB on a group of trash in a dungeon, in my opinion, especially if the tank pulls big. It shaves off more time this way than using it on a boss, waiting a second or two to finish casting and dealing a negligible amount of damage to it when it could have been dead before the LB finished casting.

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Totally agree - but, from experience, some players tend to act like you've committed the ultimate fail if you use LB on anything other than the final boss.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It is better to use the LB on a group of trash in a dungeon, in my opinion, especially if the tank pulls big. It shaves off more time this way than using it on a boss, waiting a second or two to finish casting and dealing a negligible amount of damage to it when it could have been dead before the LB finished casting.

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I do agree, this is why I was surprised to see someone telling me to not do that.
For me it is a rare sight, a bit funny too

i definitely use caster/phys range lb2 on Aglaia/Euphrosyne trash

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

I do agree, this is why I was surprised to see someone telling me to not do that.
For me it is a rare sight, a bit funny too

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Rare for me too - but have had a few instances of someone in the team saying 'WTF dude' when have used LB to dispose of trash mobs, which makes me a bit wary of using it that way again.

Pity really - as was discussed, it's a bit of a waste when used on a near-dead final boss really.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

In hindsight I should have used the Auto-Translate feature, but since I never have so far I felt awkward to try figuring out how to do it now. They might not have had an English client so couldn't get where "Esuna" and "Role Actions" are.

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It's no excuse for them not knowing Role Actions, but depending on your language settings it can get confusing. Before I read the forums here I didn't know what Esuna was because in the German client and every FF game I remember, that skill is called Medica. To make things worse the White Mage skills Reseda and Resedra are called Medica I and II in English.
Skills having different names in different languages is one thing but I don't know what genius thought it'd be a good idea to use the same name for different skills in a MMO played on multi-language servers...


Besides that, I don't have a specific tale. Rather an observation: levelling my tanks to 90 in Alliance Raid roulette made me hate other tank players.
The things I've seen range from general aggro ping-pong to tanks in absolute trash gear that want to main tank and me almost ripping aggro from them with auto attacks or people provoking adds that have to be separated like they are Pokemon.

And I think I should apologize to all the poor tanks that had to endure me while levelling Sage some time ago. I wanted to like it, watched/read guides but still failed pretty hard. That class just didn't click for me and it was 20 levels of pure suffering for me and the tanks :(

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It is better to use the LB on a group of trash in a dungeon, in my opinion, especially if the tank pulls big. It shaves off more time this way than using it on a boss, waiting a second or two to finish casting and dealing a negligible amount of damage to it when it could have been dead before the LB finished casting.

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Gotta get that epic anime finisher move off, I suppose. :p

I can only count on one hand on how many times I’ve seen the “why LB vs packs” sentiment directed at myself when I unleash it though none really sparked tension whenever I replied: “Because it’s stronger vs multiple target.”

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

I do agree, this is why I was surprised to see someone telling me to not do that.
For me it is a rare sight, a bit funny too

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I think I've only ever seen it once or twice myself while playing BRD, RDM or SMN. I just ignored them. lol

I would settle for melee that actually use a LB on a boss if it is still available...so many times when tanking/healing you see the boss down to .1% before they even contemplate using it. I've used it more often than not lately when I go as DNC...and the boss is usually at around 20%

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I would settle for melee that actually use a LB on a boss if it is still available...so many times when tanking/healing you see the boss down to .1% before they even contemplate using it. I've used it more often than not lately when I go as DNC...and the boss is usually at around 20%

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If I'm playing melee, and the other dps is also melee, I will usually use an LB on a boss around 50% or so. If I'm playing a ranged dps, I will usually give the other dps (provided they are melee) till around 10-20% before I start blasting. I only really apply this logic to dungeons though. In raids it's a bit more complicated than that.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

If I'm playing melee, and the other dps is also melee, I will usually use an LB on a boss around 50% or so. If I'm playing a ranged dps, I will usually give the other dps (provided they are melee) till around 10-20% before I start blasting. I only really apply this logic to dungeons though. In raids it's a bit more complicated than that.

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I use it as early as possible in any content when I'm on melee. I always take into account the deaths that are happening though, so sometimes it doesn't get used until the last 2-3% of a raid boss.

Me watching my floor tank healer chattering away casually for like 85% of the dungeon.
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I mean okay, I'm playing WAR cause I don't trust anyone in my roulettes, least of all in expert, so I'm perfectly fine but still. It's bad enough we're giving them a free ride, but the DPS are chatting back. Don't you guys feel even a little bit annoyed about this? I mean I already know the healer has no shame when they're somehow dying during pulls(and I'm one of those tanks that always aoes 2x on the first pack of the pull to make sure no one rips aggro) and sitting there since we don't have a RDM/SMN to res them, but really?

Expert Roulette rerun: Lapis Manalis, as a PLD. Matched with SGE, BRD, and BLM. The former two are first timers.

1st boss: Almost repeats the entire cycle of mechanic for the 3rd time.

2nd boss: SGE ate dirt from getting doom and never cleansing them. Tried to upkeep the other two, but soon enough they too munched the doom and ate dirt at 40%. Soloed my way while also learning for the first time that the boss has an actual tankbuster.

3rd boss: All three ate dirt on first set of bubble mechanic. Immediately committed suicide to restart the run with smoother progression after.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I would settle for melee that actually use a LB on a boss if it is still available...so many times when tanking/healing you see the boss down to .1% before they even contemplate using it. I've used it more often than not lately when I go as DNC...and the boss is usually at around 20%

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A lot of times when I'm on melee I don't use the LB because it seems like my basic combo does more damage than the LB within the time it takes to cast. This is mostly for higher level stuff though, I do try to make use of it often sub 70.

I just want to get my roulettes done for the day and all I'm getting are tanks that pull 3 mobs at a time(I watched a pally manage to make the first portion of the Dead Ends take 4 pulls), or when I queue tank I get a SGE in level 80+ dungeon spamming e. diagnosis and not using any other abilities. The bar is literally not that high, but I guess I'll just dodge the duty and go do something else for 30 minutes.

In the last few Expert roulettes I've done as DNC, I've been matched with another DNC - at least twice - who throws their dance partner onto the tank - even with mine already on them. Most of the time they leave it there the entire time, but one time one of the(after they used Standard Step) realized that they had two different Stand Steps on their buff bar and swapped partner to me.

Also had a DNC(level 90, with the Manderville weapon) partner in Qitana Ravel who would let their SS fall off....even when things weren't much past 50% HP. And wouldn't apply it again until the next pull. They also decided to partner the tank(and after watching them let SS fall off, I swapped to the healer who was constantly above them in enmity). They also never used Technical Step during that entire run. I think my SS was down for a total of 10 seconds that dungeon since I always refreshed it when the cooldown was complete.

The other day, I was in one of the Nier raids and whenever Healer pieces dropped my co-healer would ask if I really needed the item or wanted it for glam, otherwise they'd only roll on it just to turn in for GC seals. I thought that was incredibly thoughtful, but I wasn't sure what to say as I did like the glams and never got them yet but I definitely didn't want to tell them not to roll on an item they have every right to. I just said "Roll on it, and let the fates decide!" Well, I think maybe they saw through me and let me have it anyway. And it happened a couple of times that run, actually. I really appreciate their kindness. That was really cool of them.

Today, I got the reverse situation. I queue for the Fell Court of Troia on my Bard, because I need some Aiming gear upgrades. Turns out the other DPS is also a Bard, and at the start of the run they ask me if I could pass on the pants item if it drops because they want it for glam. I was at a loss for words, at first. We both queued as ranged DPS, we both want the item for our own reasons. It's not fair to put strangers on the spot like this in front of a party. It boggles my mind how someone could even ask this. Eventually I spoke up and said "Uh, I'm literally here for gear." They don't let it go. They keep asking, and promising they will craft me a better piece of gear in exchange. They describe how they've been grinding this one dungeon so many times just to get it, a real sob story. It goes on and on, and I'm just sick of it. I was strongly considering just leaving the dungeon outright. I just want them to shut up, so I agree not to roll Need on the item if it drops. Turns out, it doesn't drop, we go our separate ways, and the other Bard doesn't even give me a commendation for agreeing to their stupid terms. I'm not saying I deserve a comm -- I didn't perform all that well or anything -- but it would seem appropriate as a token of appreciation that I had accepted their terms. To not give me one kinda feels like them giving me the finger afterward, and showing how they didn't believe I would make good on my end of the deal. But if you don't think that about me, how can you expect others to think that about you!? What a garbage person.

I constantly remind players to use the limit break in 24-man raids, "LB resets on bosses" I say.

If you have LB bar after bosses, use it on the mobs between bosses, else it will go to waste. I was surprised not many players knew about this.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

I constantly remind players to use the limit break in 24-man raids, "LB resets on bosses" I say.

If you have LB bar after bosses, use it on the mobs between bosses, else it will go to waste. I was surprised not many players knew about this.

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Honestly, in a lot of ARaids, my brain is so autopilot I forget LB exists.