Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

...Maybe, have a male viera parade organized on populated worlds maybe. Could even coordinate it with the JP community. An unofficial male viera day.

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Lol Easter! be a bunch of Easter Bunnies haha!

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

https://i.gyazo.com/04e4c0488909ac74...48e6040f9e.png

Anyway.

https://wx1.sinaimg.cn/mw690/0071Y47...30rn1jkaeo.jpg
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Ahhh why is he chained. SE unlock him fastttt!

Commenting my support as someone who won't play them since those opposed to them want to keep bringing up "players who don't care" while screeching about how we need to keep these locks in place. Indifference doesn't mean support for none. I want people to have more options, even if I won't use them.

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Originally Posted by Joven

I'm sure they're well aware that people want this added. It baffles me how this post is still going. I'm going to say the same thing I said on another post of the same topic: continuing to bring this up and argue about it isn't going to make it happen any faster, if at all. You've made your points, move on. You aren't going to change anyone's mind who's for or against it.

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Yeah but then they might get the wrong impression that we stopped caring, that we tired out, that they won this war of attrition.
Besides, do you really want this thread off the main page? Do you know how many new threads would rise in its stead? Let it be, man, it's by far the lesser evil

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

small bodys can look pretty decent. (e.g. male Miqote).

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Originally Posted by Quipsy

look at Miqo'te, they're tiny little manlets but are clearly grown.

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Just to be fair, male Miqo'te are not small. Their height is shorter than average for the world though, but still is very common, especially for Asian countries. The range is from 160 to 172 cm.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Yeah but then they might get the wrong impression that we stopped caring, that we tired out, that they won this war of attrition.
Besides, do you really want this thread off the main page? Do you know how many new threads would rise in its stead? Let it be, man, it's by far the lesser evil

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People are creating multiple threads even with this on the front page. Also, "war of attrition"? Seriously? This is not a "war", there is no "winning" or "losing" in this situation because there is no gain or loss. People are putting way too much into this.

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Originally Posted by Joven

People are creating multiple threads even with this on the front page.

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Don't comment there and they will die quite soon. It's easy. But ye, some people who just want to fight for the sake of fights will write there something. Like yesterday when somebody bumped few shitty threads which were on 4th and 5th page already and were quiet for few days. Because we can't prohibit them to do it.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

https://wx1.sinaimg.cn/mw690/0071Y47...30rn1jkaeo.jpg

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I feel that this is pretty darn close to what a lot of folks want. Though I'd suggest things like the adding of various kinds of facial hair and maybe even optional chest tuft of hair/fur? Heh. As for the outfit? It might make certain folks uncomfy but I mean if they're going to sexualize the Veira anyways, let's make it fair and sexualize BOTH genders! lol

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Just to be fair, male Miqo'te are not small. Their height is shorter than average for the world though, but still is very common, especially for Asian countries. The range is from 160 to 172 cm.

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OMG, the lower end is almost exactly my height and the upper end is close to my tallest little brother's height, which is considered tall where I'm from. That must mean that everyone's massive. I went around thinking that they were like, four-foot something but nope! D:

The air really must be oxygen rich with all the massive animals (and people) running around.

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Originally Posted by Quipsy

OMG, the lower end is almost exactly my height and the upper end is close to my tallest little brother's height, which is considered tall where I'm from. That must mean that everyone's massive. I went around thinking that they were like, four-foot something but nope! D:

The air really must be oxygen rich with all the massive animals (and people) running around.

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Even female Auri are not 4 foot, their lowest height is 4,86 (148cm). xD Lalafels are about 3 if I remember correct their range (90-100 cm or something). Just other races are tall in comparison with Miqo'tes.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Don't comment there and they will die quite soon. It's easy. But ye, some people who just want to fight for the sake of fights will write there something. Like yesterday when somebody bumped few shitty threads which were on 4th and 5th page already and were quiet for few days. Because we can't prohibit them to do it.

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I don't want to prohibit anyone from posting their opinions just trying to make people see that circular arguments are pointless and making a big fuss like this before the content even comes out or anything even remotely official on the topic is announced is just childish.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Just to be fair, male Miqo'te are not small. Their height is shorter than average for the world though but still is very common, especially for Asian countries. The range is from 160 to 172 cm.

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In Europe overall, the average height of a male is 177cm, in Japan the average height of a man is 171, so Miqo bros are not actually not short funny enough.
To compare this the average height of a female in Europe is around 168cm, while the average for a Japanese female is 158cm.

In my country (Denmark) the average height for a Miqo man is short, but that's because my country's average height for men is 180 so my personal perception of "short" starts under 170cm. (5'5")
For a Japanese player the Miqo'te males fall in the average height category and don't come out short if they ran down a street in Tokyo.

So if we have Viera males start at 165cm (5'4") and end at 185cm (6'0") it would enable those who wanna be a tall beanstalk to tower over the Miqo bros, and the ones that want to be cute and small to come out like this.
https://i.imgur.com/YzZLdJP.png
So if you're a short dude in real life, you can either play options way taller than you or a lalafell, which I find kinda funny.

Heavens, I'm 163 and average/tall for a latino. It's not miqo'tes that are short, everybody else is too <kupo>ing tall...

Eh... I don't know about all this cm crap, (ya wierdos, j/k) but I'm 6 foot even and made my male character 5'10" cause I kinda wish I was shorter in RL... That and I always like the Bruce Lee / Jet Lee persona of a "little guy that kick your butt." I also tend to make all my female charcters around 5'5" which is why I've never played a Elezen or a Roegadyn. Hrothgar are tempting tho... so are Viera. need to see their emotes tho as I'm currently really happy with 80-90% of the Male Miqote poses/emotes.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Eh... I don't know about all this cm crap, (ya wierdos, j/k) but I'm 6 foot even and made my male character 5'10" cause I kinda wish I was shorter in RL... That and I always like the Bruce Lee / Jet Lee persona of a "little guy that kick your butt." I also tend to make all my female charcters around 5'5" which is why I've never played a Elezen or a Roegadyn. Hrothgar are tempting tho... so are Viera. need to see their emotes tho as I'm currently really happy with 80-90% of the Male Miqote poses/emotes.

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I play the shortest option for a highlander female, which is really fun - cause she falls into the same height as an average midlander. So I get to have the pretty highlander faces and strong legs but still be a little lady that can kick ass.

But I'd love to be Viera male so I can roleplay as this:
https://media1.giphy.com/media/9Rd7ocSZ81cHe/giphy.gif

Happy 250, everyone!

Passing through to drop my support, you have the concept art square, stop holding out!

Please please please stop. First we have to deal with gender locked clothes! And now we have gender locked RACES!?

Please recognise players fought for years just to unlock the bunny ears from the golden saucer from being female only! Why would you think after all that having a female only race would make sense. The players already showed you they want male bunnies.

Just let players play soft men, and hard women if they want. Don't limit us to the same big men/petite woman archetypes, especially if you're already announcing this will be the last races to come to 14.

You can already create/play as "soft men" and "hard women" though, if it's that important to players. Let's not act like the so-called cute/waifu type is the only option available.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

You can already create/play as "soft men" and "hard women" though, if it's that important to players. Let's not act like the so-called cute/waifu type is the only option available.

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More options are always good, and just like people are happy to have male Hroths and female Viera to increase their repertoire, people would like to have female Hroths and male Viera for the same reason :)
Like, when I made one of my alts, it came down to fem Miqo'te and fem Au Ra. And the two were noticably different in ways that mattered to me in how I built the character. Races are more than just the visual archtype

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Originally Posted by Joven

I don't want to prohibit anyone from posting their opinions just trying to make people see that circular arguments are pointless and making a big fuss like this before the content even comes out or anything even remotely official on the topic is announced is just childish.

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no its not. Its called feedback. Its part of the reason why these forums exist. If this bothers you then, with all due respect, simply be somewhere else. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

You can already create/play as "soft men" and "hard women" though, if it's that important to players. Let's not act like the so-called cute/waifu type is the only option available.

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sure male viera doesn't really fill any missing quotas but female hrothgar do we have female roe and high lander to fill that "hard female" part but we have no "beastly females".

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Originally Posted by Kelryth

no its not. Its called feedback. Its part of the reason why these forums exist. If this bothers you then, with all due respect, simply be somewhere else. Problem solved.

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The same could be said to the people who are complaining about a fictional creation not being exactly to their liking: if it bothers you that much, unsub and leave. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Joven

The same could be said to the people who are complaining about a fictional creation not being exactly to their liking: if it bothers you that much, unsub and leave. Problem solved.

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That would be in SE's worst interest, I should imagine. Also, as paying customers, we have the right to pass feedback to the developers. You're not paying anyone on the forums for their posts.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

That would be in SE's worst interest, I should imagine. Also, as paying customers, we have the right to pass feedback to the developers. You're not paying anyone on the forums for their posts.

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Feedback is one thing, but people on here are treating this as if it's the worst transgression SE could have ever commited. I guarantee that the number of people who would actually unsub over this would be insignificant to their bottom line.

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Originally Posted by Joven

but people on here

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People on where? In this thread? Or some other thread?

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Originally Posted by Joven

Feedback is one thing, but people on here are treating this as if it's the worst transgression SE could have ever commited.

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I mean, to some people it is, and that's fine. People have different priorities and reasons why they play the game.

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I guarantee that the number of people who would actually unsub over this would be insignificant to their bottom line.

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Then you have the lost costs of Fantasia. Lost costs of glamours that would've been bought for those new races. People not ubsubbing but refusing to give money to the Mogshop until this is changed...
Saying the only money SE stands to lose over this is from unsubbing, and that those numbers to begin with would be small, are strawman arguments. There's a lot of money riding on this and no one has the statistics regarding subs and other purchases outside of SE.

Ok I'm starting to get really annoyed at the devs, it seems like they are trying to ignore this subject in hopes that it will die down instead of giving an official respone. Guys we can't let this die down until they confirm how and when we will get the other genders. I really hope they give us an official response soon, like YoshiP said in an interview

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Ok I'm starting to get really annoyed at the devs, it seems like they are trying to ignore this subject in hopes that it will die down instead of giving an official respone. Guys we can't let this die down until they confirm how and when we will get the other genders. I really hope they give us an official response soon, like YoshiP said in an interview

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Better not to wait for a response earlier than benchmark release when recent options will be avaliable for checking. Or even until actual 5.0 release.
Also, analysing is not that fast as it we can look at this, they should check not only forums, but other medias too. So it's better to stay calm and polite.

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Originally Posted by Senn

People on where? In this thread? Or some other thread?

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In space, where do you think? Posts in every thread I've read about this topic range from "the dev's should know better, I'm unsubbing" to going so far as calling them "sexist" and "homophobic" over this.

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Originally Posted by Joven

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This thread has mostly been positive.

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Originally Posted by Joven

In space, where do you think? Posts in every thread I've read about this topic range from "the dev's should know better, I'm unsubbing" to going so far as calling them "sexist" and "homophobic" over this.

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Yea, the same old posts that are being brought up by the same people.
Just like the same people that love to bring up "ERP", "the lore!", people that try to redefine "genderlock" and also "my immersion!" to counter people.
Im getting tired of them as much.
I mean there are both sides of extremists, and I do not support any of them.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

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Also, not to be rude or anything, but Im sure they got their hands full already with the upcoming expansion. And devs also have a real life, give them more time. Beside, stressing people can also turn the opposite way, meaning no to opposite genders.

When is the benchmark supposed to be released? I think I remember the devs giving feedback earlier, but not all work schedules are equal, there might be something else involved with the decision.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I mean, to some people it is, and that's fine. People have different priorities and reasons why they play the game.



Then you have the lost costs of Fantasia. Lost costs of glamours that would've been bought for those new races. People not ubsubbing but refusing to give money to the Mogshop until this is changed...
Saying the only money SE stands to lose over this is from unsubbing, and that those numbers to begin with would be small, are strawman arguments. There's a lot of money riding on this and no one has the statistics regarding subs and other purchases outside of SE.

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Anything in the Mogshop is optional to begin with, you're not required to buy anything from there so any sales made is just pure profit. They lose nothing if people don't buy anything.

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Originally Posted by Joven

pure profit. They loose nothing if people don't buy anything.

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They lose... pure profit. And from what we hear, the Mog Shop is the one source of revenue that comes back into the game while the sub money gets leeched by SE to fund other things. So XIV itself loses a lot if people don't buy from the Mog Shop. Especially since Mog shop items are:
1. one time investment that keeps netting them revenue. Mounts, Bardings, glamour, they make them once and just keep cashing in on it
2. Consumable. Dyes, Fantasia. They have long since stopped investing in the items and just enjoy the money it makes.
That's a lot of $$$ they'll be losing out from people who are upset over it, yes, even if those people are still subbed. But their sub money probably won't go back into XIV to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

When is the benchmark supposed to be released? I think I remember the devs giving feedback earlier, but not all work schedules are equal, there might be something else involved with the decision.

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May, most likely.

this thread is more for the support to add male viera (and obviously female hrothgar) most of us know that it takes a lot of work and time
very minimal demands in this thread

people who come into this thread with just idea of "such entitlement,whiners" etc etc really have the wrong idea the entire purpose of this thread

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Yea, the same old posts that are being brought up by the same people.
Just like the same people that love to bring up "ERP", "the lore!", people that try to redefine "genderlock" and also "my immersion!" to counter people.
Im getting tired of them as much.
I mean there are both sides of extremists, and I do not support any of them.

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I don't support either side myself. If they decide to release them then great, if they don't, also great. But threads like this one are pointless. The devs haven't said anything about never releasing the other genders, just that they decided to release what they could with what time they had. Making a huge fuss over it like we're NEVER going to get them before we even get the first release is petty.

I would also like to state that there is a huge distinction in the severity of argument between bringing up lore, ERPing, etc over calling a company sexist and homophibic. The latter could actually do harm to the company's image if enough people believed it while the former is just annoying.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

They lose... pure profit. And from what we hear, the Mog Shop is the one source of revenue that comes back into the game while the sub money gets leeched by SE to fund other things. So XIV itself loses a lot if people don't buy from the Mog Shop. Especially since Mog shop items are:
1. one time investment that keeps netting them revenue. Mounts, Bardings, glamour, they make them once and just keep cashing in on it
2. Consumable. Dyes, Fantasia. They have long since stopped investing in the items and just enjoy the money it makes.
That's a lot of $$$ they'll be losing out from people who are upset over it, yes, even if those people are still subbed. But their sub money probably won't go back into XIV, to begin with.

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At this point I'm desperate enough to pay for the male Viera as a pre order purchase (aka. a pack) on the mogstation if that would help the monetary part of development. (heck they could do the same for instanced housing aka. elder scrolls just cheaper)
Because I'm more than certain FFXIV's sub money is going towards the 7 remake and other projects, or funding marketing for kh3 but that's pure speculation. Yoshi needs more money and a bigger team, and SE needs to start prioritizing FFXiV more if they are to catch the WoW players that will be looking for a new mmo to play.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

They lose... pure profit. And from what we hear, the Mog Shop is the one source of revenue that comes back into the game while the sub money gets leeched by SE to fund other things. So XIV itself loses a lot if people don't buy from the Mog Shop. Especially since Mog shop items are:
1. one time investment that keeps netting them revenue. Mounts, Bardings, glamour, they make them once and just keep cashing in on it
2. Consumable. Dyes, Fantasia. They have long since stopped investing in the items and just enjoy the money it makes.
That's a lot of $$$ they'll be losing out from people who are upset over it, yes, even if those people are still subbed. But their sub money probably won't go back into XIV to begin with.

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Then that's entirely SE's fault for not allocating the money properly. If they were using all the sub money to work on the game then there would be little to no fluctuation in profits lost for people unsubbing for this since you also have to factor in new players coming in.