SE dropped the ball

I have to admit I was pretty pissed when the maps started not loading properly and the labeling would not show up and then slightly more pissed when I was apparently not getting experience for fighting (it turns out latter is was just a major lag and took forever to show up). Then I found out about the maintenance for 2.5 hours this afternoon and I about lost it. I planned my whole day around this Frigging game (had the wife out of the house with the twins) and I was ready to just play...then NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! But thinking about everything rationally I can understand and know they will get it up and running...just sucks for all of us. Overall I have had a good experience and I did not experience any of the Dungeon issues and I got to run up through Copperbell Mines. I took this time off to do some chores around the house and rewatch the Comedy Central Roast of Charlie Sheen...AWESOME!!!

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Originally Posted by Z3M0G

Severs are up, everyone can STFU now. LOL

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Yep, and the issue is still there. Freaking awesome, really.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Someone needs to try playing during 1.0's early access. lmao!

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So just because that was horrible, it is perfectly justifiable that this one is as well? Talk about flawed logic there.

Someone needs to try playing during 1.0's early access. lmao!

Ok what now?...oh yes i see...QQQQQQQQQQQ....cya....

To those saying instances not working isn't a big deal needs to just go away because it is a big deal. If you can't do any instances, you can't play most of the game. That is game breaking in my book. And the majority have this problem, which means that the majority of players are not playing right now until they hear that this is no longer an issue. Also, it is not congestion because I tried getting into Bowl of Embers like 5-10mins after servers came back up and still got the error.

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

To those saying instances not working isn't a big deal needs to just go away because it is a big deal. If you can't do any instances, you can't play most of the game. That is game breaking in my book. And the majority have this problem, which means that the majority of players are not playing right now until they hear that this is no longer an issue. Also, it is not congestion because I tried getting into Bowl of Embers like 5-10mins after servers came back up and still got the error.

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This^, yes I'm pretty much stuck, can't do my GC quest to get into my GC company again so I can equip my GC weapons. What a viscious circle this is...

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Originally Posted by Cousinjimmy

2.0 is just a beta for 3.0. If you haven't dealt with SE's 3 +2 +2 hour maintenance before, now is the time to cope with it.

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It made me laugh when I heard Yoshi P say they're calling the first expansion 3.0, made me think of them remaking the game again alongside 2.0.

6 hours of maintenance, Duty Finer is still iffy, some major Quest NPCs are broken, almost there SE.

Hopefully they learned that using 1 server for all of the NA servers; to handle changing zones = big fail

I think the problem is MMO releases havent been as bad as they used to be. Its not an understood problem anymore. Since WoW, I havent really been in an unplayable release. Sure, theyd have problems with queues and even a little lag or isolated incidents ... but at least I have never had it where I cant continue and servers go down 2-3 times a day.

SO MAN FANBOYS ITS INCREDIBLE NO EXCUSE

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Originally Posted by Teta

really? it took you hours to get 10% of a level? I don't think this genre is for you.

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Always love the flaming. Actually, I already have two level 50's from 1.0. Most other jobs I have to at least 20. Hours to get to 10% of a level? Maybe I slightly exaggerated. Consider this though, since I cannot progress past the level 20 content (how a fricking tank cannot get into a queue pop for ifrit is beyond my understanding) the next best thing is to either grind mobs/ work on job specific quests. Can't do the job quests though as those require a group. For someone who has a job and family (other priorities), I want to be able to hop on a game and feel good that a couple hours of play has at least PROGRESSED my character. I literally did nothing for almost 2 hours except run back and forth (choco'd) from place to place to finish quests for a lowsy 3-3.5k xp per completion. Not very thrilling.

No fanboism here I know a bad game when I play a bad game. I put up with 1.0 waiting for 2.0 to be better. If SE doesn't get this right fast then ff14 is over and im not playing though this crud anymore SE made some bad decisions with 1.0 now they are make some bad decisions for 2.0. and they were making bad decisions since 2000 except for ff11. until they made ff11 abyssea. Everything you said I agree with 100%. I was making jokes about this but after 2nd maintenance and still braking after 5 min.... I'm so mad this is rubbish /end rant

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Originally Posted by InVizO

Why did they insist on only 3 days of open beta, even when their beta was NOT stable? Seriously their is no excuse for that, the mess we see here today is SE being cheap, lazy, and over-confident with their product during the beta test. Now on launch days where people have paid exclusively for 3 days of early access(only reason i re-bought the game) we have major issues.

Thanks SE!

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1.) Duty Finder broken even after 6hrs of maintenance today
2.) Errors we have seen all too many times in beta p4 (90000 etc)
3.) Major Quest NPCs are broken (talk to an NPC that ports you to a story instance and u r SOL)
4.) World is full, please try again BS (error 1017); really a que is too hard to implement properly?

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So your going to play for 3 days then stop?... you sir are a Fing Liar

I hope everyone understands we are using a CLIENT for the game, it STILL ISNT that FULL game..... so there will be lots of things that dont work that did in other betas etc, and if any of you played World Of Warcraft they didnt have a great release either... most of the complaining I see here is those people that get upset when there youtube takes 1min to load.....

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Originally Posted by Kayo

I think the problem is MMO releases havent been as bad as they used to be. Its not an understood problem anymore. Since WoW, I havent really been in an unplayable release. Sure, theyd have problems with queues and even a little lag or isolated incidents ... but at least I have never had it where I cant continue and servers go down 2-3 times a day.

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obsually didnt play WoW on release day.....

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Originally Posted by Galliano

It made me laugh when I heard Yoshi P say they're calling the first expansion 3.0, made me think of them remaking the game again alongside 2.0.

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Just wait 3.0 Aka FF14 reborn again will be great just wait. just play though 2.0 like we did with 1.0 it will be worth the time

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Originally Posted by redisdrunk

I'm wildly tired of people apologizing for the game because it's the launch of a new MMO.

No. It's the first day of the re-launch. Square has run MMOs before. They've run this MMO before.

Wasn't one of the reasons they shuttered the doors so they could bring it out once again, polished and waxed, and get rid of the poor impressions people had with the original bug filled and problematic launch? Rhetorical, by the way. It was one of the reasons.

They knew exactly the kind of disastrous launch the game had previously, and they just leaped right back into that same pit and no amount of (other players) excusing and apologizing their lack of preparation or planning undoes the kind of impression that leaves with a lot of players.

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This. ^ SE has had TWO other MMO's under it's belt(FFXI and FFXIV 1.0).. You would think they would of a been a little more prepared for the bombardment of players logging into their servers. Right? Maybe not? Meh, it's whatever. I worked all day anyways and didn't get to experience the "fun".

I was about to go do the first maelstrom grand company quest you get, and I ran into that error of course. But while I was chilling there, this one guy had a conversation with himself. I just busted up laughing, gold..
http://i.imgur.com/B8yQgD9.png

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Originally Posted by VisionHolder

^ This! I remember WoW's open beta and launch. Not only did we have to stand in line for hours at the store to buy a copy, both beta and launch were riddled with horrific downtime and lag. 3 hours downtime in an otherwise smooth start under very heavy load for FFXIV ARR? SE is doing just fine. Wish I could say the same for some of its less patient customers.

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their patient customers have waited sense 2010 for a good game. time to fix it

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Originally Posted by JB72589

their patient customers have waited sense 2010 for a good game. time to fix it

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Off-topic a bit:
The game is not even that good. :(
I really wish they would have just BUILT off of 1.23. They changed a whole lot more than I expected.

Anyways... that's a discussion for another thread, which I will never make, seeing as this was discussed A LOT on the beta forums.

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Originally Posted by Zor

So your going to play for 3 days then stop?... you sir are a Fing Liar

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and u sir have no common sense and ignorantly defend ur game company like a fanboy. I ONLY rebought to play the few days and the items were a simple bonus, i could have not bought anything and just subbed by the 9th like every other 1.0 non-legacy player. Read and learn before posting next time

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Originally Posted by M4Fade

Off-topic a bit:
The game is not even that good. :(
I really wish they would have just BUILT off of 1.23. They changed a whole lot more than I expected.

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I agree, by the end of 1.0 they had a perfectly functional game and recovered from their flop once no one really played it anymore. Now a year later and SE not much wiser, has a barely functional game that you cannot progress through which like at the start of 1.0 will drive away the player base and we will be right back where 1.0 was, soon a game that will work, but no one to play it. It is not like I want to feel like a "whiner," but 2 previous games, ffxi and ffxiv 1.0 and still the same errors and game breaking problems, not to mention all the hype, they should have known how many players to expect from pre orders and beta test applications, so ultimately it came down to being ill prepared.

I paid for a product key and did not get one. Is this going to be the normal for this game?

Am I like the only one who has not had one single problem accept the game not letting me use my goobbue mount (petty problem)? Outside of my mount problem this game is running ace for me. Albeit I haven't done anything besides main story quests and craft 50% of the time.

So much for "early" access. How many hours of downtime is it now?

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Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo

I agree, by the end of 1.0 they had a perfectly functional game and recovered from their flop once no one really played it anymore. Now a year later and SE not much wiser, has a barely functional game that you cannot progress through which like at the start of 1.0 will drive away the player base and we will be right back where 1.0 was, soon a game that will work, but no one to play it. It is not like I want to feel like a "whiner," but 2 previous games, ffxi and ffxiv 1.0 and still the same errors and game breaking problems, not to mention all the hype, they should have known how many players to expect from pre orders and beta test applications, so ultimately it came down to being ill prepared.

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Let's give it 6 months to a year.. We'll see how well their 2.0 "experiment" goes then.

Although I may not be around by that time. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by Eric1987

So much for "early" access. How many hours of downtime is it now?

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when the servers go down at 12am it will be a total of 9hrs

edit: but thankfully things are starting to work again in game, and SE actually is giving us a decent enough heads up, hope they keep it up and this turns smooth after maintenance

too many people threatening to cancel pre-orders under the pretense that the game was to easy caused SE to underestimate player capacity on their server

This is the first time during this whole process where I'm starting to feel a little annoyed. I went to bed during the last maintenance, only to wake up and find out that the problems still exist and that another three hour maintenances has just started. The weekend is almost over, and I've hardly been able to make any progress at all, even when the game has actually been up, because of the instance-issue.

What people tend to forget, is that this launch need to go as smooth as possible. More so than any other MMO, because the FFXIV name is so tainted. Yoshida must be freaking out now, cause this is slowly becoming a bit of a disaster.

QQ

Diablo 3 launch says "Hi!"

i remember vanilla wow's launch, this is a cake walk compared to that. at least i could play this game for more than a few hours lol

Whilst it is unfortunate that there are people having issues with the game, for me it has been a great experience so far because I've had absolutely zero problems at all. When I compare this launch to other games over the last few years this has been one of the smoothest so far for me.

I feel that SE totally dropped the ball as well. To all those people that are saying:

"Who has a smooth MMO launch anyways?"

Just because something doesn't measure up to your standards doesn't mean it's 'ok'. SE ran into this problem during open beta, and THAT was ok. Now that they supposedly fixed it and we're running into the same problem again...this is NOT ok.

I do appreciate SE communicating with the community as much as they are with the current on going issues, but in all honesty this should've been fixed after open beta.

What's interesting to me is that there's so many defending this type of behavior but don't realize is that they're the ones who are going to be hurting in the end.

This is literally SE's last ditch effort in the MMO space. If this doesn't work then consider FF (And probably any other SE franchise) done in this genre. No chance in hell SE would risk putting another couple million dollars on the line if two MMO's failed, let alone the same game, let alone of Final Fantasy's franchise caliber.

There's no room for excuses to be made, it's either decent game or bust.

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Originally Posted by Drako

I was about to go do the first maelstrom grand company quest you get, and I ran into that error of course. But while I was chilling there, this one guy had a conversation with himself. I just busted up laughing, gold..
http://i.imgur.com/B8yQgD9.png

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This is amazing.

11/10 would laugh again.

So is it true that the servers in Japan are the same ones used in 1.0, just with different software obviously?

And do servers need to be broken in, I'm not too sure when it comes to anything to do with technology?

And is it possible to build servers that don't need to be broken in, so issues like this never happen again?

Sorry for the questions, but I'm just curious.

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Originally Posted by Giyari

So is it true that the servers in Japan are the same ones used in 1.0, just with different software obviously?

And do servers need to be broken in, I'm not too sure when it comes to anything to do with technology?

And is it possible to build servers that don't need to be broken in, so issues like this never happen again?

Sorry for the questions, but I'm just curious.

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Good questions! This community would be much better off with more people like you, who calmly and politely inquire into the what's and the why's of something they don't understand.

As for the questions themselves, at least concerning the data servers in Japan, I have no idea, but for the others...

Data Centers and the dedicated servers they house, do indeed perform better once they are "broken in," however not entirely in the way you might imagine. Thermal assessments are run on a center before it's switched on to determine potential hot zones of equipment and deal with them accordingly, uses being raised and lowered floor structures, redundant AC units, however this cannot account for a 100% fool proof thermal analysis and equipment often needs moved around to accommodate. Initially, new data servers are a turbulent process as the engineers figure out the most optimal thermal levels and equipment positioning, this is why you often experience errors in new MMO launches or any other dedicated server functionality addressing large data transmitting of thousands of people at once, it also the reason for server maintenance and why given times for said maintenances can fluctuate so wildly.

This is also the reason why World of Warcraft is able to now do staggered server maintenances, usually (not always) skipping an industry standard of one week, as their servers have matured, or been "broken in" to a point where maximum efficiency has peaked and can be pushed for longer periods uninterrupted.

I hope this answers your questions adequately enough, in either case thank you for allowing me to talk about something I rarely get to. ^^

Thank you for answering.

I can understand why people will react with their emotions, we are human after all, if something makes us mad we will react.

At the same time though, we have to keep our emotions in check. You can do that by better understanding how things work.

I noticed that some people are calm about this, this is probably a result of experience and knowledge of situations like this. When you don't know why something happens, all you can fall back on, are your emotions.

From what you said, it looks like we are in for one doozy of a ride.

Perhaps MMO companies should offer some type of manual or course in how the game works, much like an automobile company provides the manual for a car, that way people can educate themselves and be more understanding of events like this.

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Originally Posted by Kaitlynn_Koadavie

Lol..... this is definitely one of the more smoother launches I've experienced with an MMO. And they are handling this Instances issue much better than the 3102. I say Bravo SE, and you sir can go take your QQ's somewhere else. <3

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Agree at that, tera, rift, alot others mmos got same problems or worst at early and worst ones at release day, before someone say soemthing about ill just say that: i was there trying play at early and at release days belive... alot games first week after release goes way better, but before that just expect the pain.

But why does no company learn? Everybody is making the same mistakes over and over. There's no excuses anymore for this kind of "experience".