Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Well done community, you've fallen so very far, very fast.
Best community? You're well on your way to Lost Ark tier at this rate.

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They've been there the entire time, just better and hiding behind a fake smile.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Yeah honestly it's just funny that he was lauded when the meltdown was directed towards WoW. But now he's the villain because it's against this game. Yes, he was a bit too unhinged. But the double standards are astounding.

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Yeah but it's not all the same groups of people. Some people were there that don't care about what game he likes, simply because they just like his stream in general, or his meltdowns. It's not like the whole FFXIV community knows who he is.

Then again the meltdown was different circumstances as well since a lot of the reason he was tilted during his WoW meltdown was the culture of sexual harassment. So if SE did something as big as Blizzard's culture of dehumanizing people like that - yeah different result...

I think it's a bit of a bad take to be honest.

Others view FFXIV's drama to be really mild or others have put it - actually lame. The company doesn't promote a culture of harassment (or at least it didn't blow up/kept under wraps) unlike Blizzard. SE actually updated their policies about stalking and such because they at least make some kind of effort. They decided to break from workaholic culture and actually lengthen time between patch cycles so their workers have better balance. While there were small outbreaks like the harassment surrounding a fanzine, and other community troubles...

Our drama is - Bunny men/buff cat girls, locked hairstyles - gear/ housing and mods.

There's of course cheating and botting - but that's the same with many games

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Fun fact.

This thread breaks the Witch hunting and harassment rules.

Pyromancer didn't help himself, he did behave like a bit of a spoiled manbaby, but honestly, the fact this thread straight out breaks name and shame policy and is people dog piling a single person in the hopes of getting that person banned?

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Well done community, you've fallen so very far, very fast.


Best community? You're well on your way to Lost Ark tier at this rate.

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Tier 3 Pyro sub right here.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Fun fact.

This thread breaks the Witch hunting and harassment rules.

Pyromancer didn't help himself, he did behave like a bit of a spoiled manbaby, but honestly, the fact this thread straight out breaks name and shame policy and is people dog piling a single person in the hopes of getting that person banned?

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Well done community, you've fallen so very far, very fast.


Best community? You're well on your way to Lost Ark tier at this rate.

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The community has been terrible ever seen the game appealed to Twitter Andies.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Tier 3 Pyro sub right here.

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Tier 3 MaximilianMus sub right here.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Yeah honestly it's just funny that he was lauded when the meltdown was directed towards WoW. But now he's the villain because it's against this game. Yes, he was a bit too unhinged. But the double standards are astounding.

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It's not really about the game you know... It's about he treats his viewers and other players. I don't care if he has a pro-mod stance, many streamers have that but everyone agrees it's just ToS so there is nothing you can do. And we all know this game is far from perfect. What I do care about is that he belittles and insults people for little to no reason. Other streamers used add-ons and mods too, they don't get a backlash because they don't behave like a manchild.

Edit: Just to clarify; I don't support reporting people and I'm not one of the people who do.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

It's not really about the game you know... It's about he treats his viewers and other players. I don't care if he has a pro-mod stance, many streamers have that but everyone agrees it's just ToS so there is nothing you can do. And we all know this game is far from perfect. What I do care about is that he belittles and insults people for little to no reason. Other streamers used add-ons and mods too, they don't get a backlash because they don't behave like a manchild.

Edit: Just to clarify; I don't support reporting people and I'm not one of the people who do.

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I'd honestly argue it's both. His personality makes him an easier target since it not only makes people know they're going after a tantrum thrower but also one that could make them feel validated for doing so. That said, given how taboo and sacred the story is for many players, he was a pretty prime person for many to get attached to. Not surprising a lot of this same crowd might have it out for him when he belittles them lol.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

It's not really about the game you know... It's about he treats his viewers and other players. I don't care if he has a pro-mod stance, many streamers have that but everyone agrees it's just ToS so there is nothing you can do. And we all know this game is far from perfect. What I do care about is that he belittles and insults people for little to no reason. Other streamers used add-ons and mods too, they don't get a backlash because they don't behave like a manchild.

Edit: Just to clarify; I don't support reporting people and I'm not one of the people who do.

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Who cares if he is a jerk to its viewers if people don't like that they are free to leave the stream just like Pyro or any streamer have the absolute right to ban whoever they want whenever they want for any reason they want, the viewers can stop watching whenever they want.

Remember Scottzone I sure remember how he was doxxed and got death threat for stating an opinion about the game. The community is absolutly terrible and I don't want to hear from people trying to justify witch hunting about their moral high ground.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

The community is absolutly terrible and I don't want to hear from people trying to justify witch hunting about their moral high ground.

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Yet you blame a whole community for the actions of a few, doesn't make you better in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

Who cares if he is a jerk to its viewers if people don't like that they are free to leave the stream just like Pyro or any streamer have the absolute right to ban whoever they want whenever they want for any reason they want, the viewers can stop watching whenever they want.

Remember Scottzone I sure remember how he was doxxed and got death threat for stating an opinion about the game. The community is absolutly terrible and I don't want to hear from people trying to justify witch hunting about their moral high ground.

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Streamers forget who hold the power of their lively hood it's the viewers. Enough people leave and that cushy lifestyle is over. It's called being a professional and remain calm. If he throws a tantrum because he is wrong and people try to prove he is wrong and decides to ban them then he is childish. To me that attitude show he is just a PoS and deserved to be banned and I hope he never comes back

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Originally Posted by SwingLifeAway

Tier 3 MaximilianMus sub right here.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

Who cares if he is a jerk to its viewers if people don't like that they are free to leave the stream just like Pyro or any streamer have the absolute right to ban whoever they want whenever they want for any reason they want, the viewers can stop watching whenever they want.

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Who cares if SE bans him for using addons and being a toxic lunatic if Pyro doesn't like that he's free to leave the game SE has the absolute right to ban whoever they want whenever they want for any reason they want :)

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

Yet you blame a whole community for the actions of a few, doesn't make you better in my opinion.

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It's not even that it were few. The culprit that crossed the line was actually a single person. I've been there and watched scrott myself he was a very wholesome dude and it's a shame that he stopped.
What really happened is that a person has sent him a death threat via mail including scotts private adress to prove his point. Scrott then revealed the informations of the sender in his stream which got him banned from twitch for 30 days.

Not saying FFXIV does not have its fair share of black sheep but this is the internet for you. Toxicity is all over the place, aslong as people stay anonymous they feel empowered.
Every community has idiots especially a big community like FFXIV but stuff like this get's too real and I can understand why he stopped streaming after such an experience.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

Streamers forget who hold the power of their lively hood it's the viewers. Enough people leave and that cushy lifestyle is over. It's called being a professional and remain calm. If he throws a tantrum because he is wrong and people try to prove he is wrong and decides to ban them then he is childish. To me that attitude show he is just a PoS and deserved to be banned and I hope he never comes back

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Wow, being a streamer must suck. Dude is clearly having a bad time and being antagonised, but because his livelihood depends "engagement" with his parasocial audience, man's gotta keep his stream running and arguing with a chat full of irate gamers. Couldn't have just, turned the stream off for a few hours, cool off and come back, gotta keep those twitch numbers rolling up.

His numbers are going to fly up now, because people are just gonna join to make him lose his cool.

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Originally Posted by Lunaru_F

Long story short, Pyro lost his temper and got hostile towards his chat.

Him losing his temper and attacking his chat is nothing new, but this was a new level of hostile I've seen.

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He's just following the script he wrote. Negative attention is still attention.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

Yet you blame a whole community for the actions of a few, doesn't make you better in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

Given what I watched were some clips of his on compilations and that might always be his worst moments. But these gave up a negative impression and I can see why people target him and not others like Zepla who does not behave in such a way. I just don't think you should treat your audience like this, even tho he might as well has good and nice streams but I don't think that would excuse his abusive moments.

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I couldn't give a shit about the opinion of someone who watched out of context clip made by hater on reddit who only show someone getting mad without showing the lead up and now are so opinionated about a subject they know shit about.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

I couldn't give a shit about the opinion of someone who watched out of context clip made by hater on reddit who only show someone getting mad without showing the lead up and now are so opinionated about a subject they know shit about.

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except.... this is not the first time Pyro has lost his shit, scrubbed his twitch of the video, then release an "apology" video, blaming everyone else "look what they made me do." (this is a massive red flag regarding abusive behavior), promises to be better, then we wait until his next nuclear meltdown where he repeats these same steps.

He really isn't a good person and im honestly surprised Twitch hasn't axed his channel already because he has a penchant for flying off the handle in pure rage and start swinging the banhammer on anyone who dares to disagree with him

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

He really isn't a good person

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whether hes a good person or not shouldnt actually matter.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

whether hes a good person or not shouldnt actually matter.

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it kind of does? if this is how he acts on stream, the thing he does to keep the lights on, how does he act when he is off stream? because he has several tendencies that are massive red flags and it makes me worry about his gf/fiancée and his dog because i would not be surprised at all if he abuses them.

Getting angry over video game drama does not mean = abuser. Goodness.

We've already seen examples of people in this thread wanting to take down people like Preach too of all people over this chat bubble addon nonsense - this is nothing but a witch hunt led by people who now feel emboldened and empowered to go after people they don't like. They don't care about the rules, they just want chaos. They've already admitted as much.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it kind of does? if this is how he acts on stream, the thing he does to keep the lights on, how does he act when he is off stream? because he has several tendencies that are massive red flags and it makes me worry about his gf/fiancée and his dog because i would not be surprised at all if he abuses them.

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not when it comes to this game it doesnt.
you are well within your right to dislike him and to say so but it shouldn't have any bearing on whether a ban is warranted.

if being a crappy person were a bannable offense half the forum wouldnt be able to play lmao

First, what Pyro was wrong and inappropriate but as a person that has experiences and dealt with someone that have angry issues like him, I can understand why he did what he has done.

Let me be clear about this, I LIKE ADD-ONS, BUT TOS TOLD US NOT TO USE THEM, SO I DON’T NOT USE THEM. My hope that one day that those elements of those programs like ACT and others can be incorporated into the game within the UI or created list that has what can be use and what can not be use. He was streaming with it, so he was reported. However, people continue to push the issue that made him flare up like he did, then it was taking out of context and now he is getting witch hunt (some of the 4ch/5ch folks found his Facebook account) by those folks.

Next part of this is going to go alittle bit about my real life outside the game. I have two kids (age 5 and 12) that have autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and ADHD (That is what Pyro has). One of the reasons why I played this game because to get away from that craziness and I can tell you all of stuff that myself goes through everyday including bad mood swing, no hours of sleep, severe anger issues and other stuff. One of the traits about ADHD is that they do not deal with animosity and criticizing too well, for most of us we will brush it aside and move on but those who is on the spectrum and ADHD is a whole different ballgame (believe me, I got toys thrown at me, Temper tantrums for hours and getting bite hard on my body) now imagine yourself with those same type of conditions but you are a streamer that have over thousands of people watching you, many more that watched your VODs and getting income from that type of work. Yeah, I am not excusing his actions but when people don’t really pay attention to the channel labels, saying these things (even if it is true or not) then you combined it with problems he has (and before anybody says, “that should not be an excuse” and it is not but I see first-hand that my kids can go from happy to angry in mere seconds and there is no way to control it) will be recipe for disaster like what happened.

In short, he had a mistake and SHOULD be judged by FFXIV team, not by us, some 4ch/5ch people or randoes on the internet. I think we all are taking this too seriously right now. We all should just chill out, relax and get ready for 6.2.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it kind of does? if this is how he acts on stream, the thing he does to keep the lights on, how does he act when he is off stream? because he has several tendencies that are massive red flags and it makes me worry about his gf/fiancée and his dog because i would not be surprised at all if he abuses them.

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I feel sorry for his wife (Fiance?), his attitude seems to have textbook points of build up abusive tendencies, if he is as abusive towards his chat, there is gonna be a huge trouble in paradise scenario in the future.

I kinda hate the "you should't" judge thing. Its kinda ... sanctimonious?

Everyone judges about everything. I mean its SE to take action on things in the end. Judging is an opinion. Telling people not to judge is saying no one should have opinions.

I can agree or disagree with the actions that could or could not be taken. That's it.

Like. Do I think he should be banned? Well he broke the ToS in public view so yeah. Can I feel bad for him? I do in some regards. Everyone has had a bad day or something to deal with it's not that I can't have empathy.

Do I think though what he did and some of the things he has done with his audience is wrong? Yeah and I think he deserves some of the feelings he is getting towards him and I understand why others cannot have empathy.

But "who am I to judge"? In this case the decision regardless how I feel about it lies with those with the authority to take action.

Pyro has the authority to take a break and quit streaming. I can't fault him for it. Sometimes you do what you gotta do.

Twitch and SE has to do what they gotta do.

We do what we gotta do we can and cannot chose to report him or not based on our judgements of what happened. "Snitching" sure. If the report button is there its there for ToS. Like it or not. Stop watching his streams? Sure. Don't want to? That's fine too.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Tier 3 Pyro sub right here.

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Not at all, I don't even sub to any of the streamers because parasocial relationships are weird.

Seeing people literally turning into a toxic bunch of children throwing their toys out of the cot because they don't like that someone said something they don't agree with is my issue.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it kind of does? if this is how he acts on stream, the thing he does to keep the lights on, how does he act when he is off stream? because he has several tendencies that are massive red flags and it makes me worry about his gf/fiancée and his dog because i would not be surprised at all if he abuses them.

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Man, twitch culture is fucking weird. You've seriously extrapolated some a clip of dude getting angry with people on twitch antagonizing him to "yeah he probably abuses his dog and fiancee".

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

Man, twitch culture is fucking weird. You've seriously extrapolated some a clip of dude getting angry with people on twitch antagonizing him to "yeah he probably abuses his dog and fiancee".

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did it ever occur to you that i have been abused? that i recognize red flags and key words that speak of abusive tendencies because i have had to deal with them myself? His latest tirade is just one of *many* that he has had over the years in his career as a streamer and he ALWAYS cycles through the same motions. He loses his crap and goes on full nuclear tirades at his stream viewers, banning anyone who says anything that disagrees with his opinion, then he deletes the VoD, copyright claims anyone who posts clips of his meltdown, then "apologizes" by blaming his ADHD and blaming his watchers for making him mad. "Look at what you made me do" is a phrase i've heard several times in my life, usually right after being beaten, and it is a phrase he has used on more than one occasion.

the cycle of Anger, Abuse, and Victim blaming is abusive behavior 101, anyone who has studied cases of domestic abuse can easily point out that what he is doing is abusive.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

I couldn't give a shit about the opinion of someone who watched out of context clip made by hater on reddit who only show someone getting mad without showing the lead up and now are so opinionated about a subject they know shit about.

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Okay fanboy, I don't really care tbh.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it kind of does? if this is how he acts on stream, the thing he does to keep the lights on, how does he act when he is off stream? because he has several tendencies that are massive red flags and it makes me worry about his gf/fiancée and his dog because i would not be surprised at all if he abuses them.

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We don't know how he acts off stream and there's no need to speculate. Until there's a proof that he's abusing anyone irl, you shouldn't throw shade on anyone.
If you don't like him - don't watch him.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

did it ever occur to you that i have been abused? that i recognize red flags and key words that speak of abusive tendencies because i have had to deal with them myself? His latest tirade is just one of *many* that he has had over the years in his career as a streamer and he ALWAYS cycles through the same motions. He loses his crap and goes on full nuclear tirades at his stream viewers, banning anyone who says anything that disagrees with his opinion, then he deletes the VoD, copyright claims anyone who posts clips of his meltdown, then "apologizes" by blaming his ADHD and blaming his watchers for making him mad. "Look at what you made me do" is a phrase i've heard several times in my life, usually right after being beaten, and it is a phrase he has used on more than one occasion.

the cycle of Anger, Abuse, and Victim blaming is abusive behavior 101, anyone who has studied cases of domestic abuse can easily point out that what he is doing is abusive.

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@Jason_Ashford,

First of all, I am sorry that those things happened to you and I hope that you found peace and help because its sucks. I can understand what you are coming from and yes he does do that a lot but those are also type of behaviors is mental disorder as well (Repetitive Behavior Disorder). We all have our opinions about this situation and my opinion is that he messed up, he apologizes, and TWITCH/FFXIV will punish him if they believe that he did something wrong (Yes he did).

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

We don't know how he acts off stream and there's no need to speculate. Until there's a proof that he's abusing anyone irl, you shouldn't throw shade on anyone.
If you don't like him - don't watch him.

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No one is speculating. Nobody said "He probably beats his wife and dogs."

What was said was the way that he has acted on stream points towards abusive behavior and using that pattern of behavior people

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would not be surprised at all if he abuses them

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You're right, we don't know how he acts off stream, and it is very much possible that his behavior is a result of the parasocial relationships of Twitch chat. But, if someone has the capability of treating people like that with regularity, it's not a stretch that the person acts like that...you know... regularly...

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

You're right, we don't know how he acts off stream, and it is very much possible that his behavior is a result of the parasocial relationships of Twitch chat. But, if someone has the capability of treating people like that with regularity, it's not a stretch that the person acts like that...you know... regularly...

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Treating people that provoked him you mean? I'm not trying to defend his actions, but I've seen the stream. He didn't just randomly start acting like he did.
As I said, if you don't like a content creator or his personality - you don't have to watch him or his content.

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Originally Posted by NekiUno

@Jason_Ashford,

First of all, I am sorry that those things happened to you and I hope that you found peace and help because its sucks. I can understand what you are coming from and yes he does do that a lot but those are also type of behaviors is mental disorder as well (Repetitive Behavior Disorder). We all have our opinions about this situation and my opinion is that he messed up, he apologizes, and TWITCH/FFXIV will punish him if they believe that he did something wrong (Yes he did).

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i would be inclined to be more lenient if he didn't hold up his 'mental disorders' as a shield to excuse what he's done and to then blame his viewers as well for "making him do it" (raging out of control). I have seen this scenario many times and no matter how many times he 'apologizes', things aren't going to change. All we've done is reset the clock, which has already begun ticking down to his next explosive outburst.

Edit: and to answer you, yes i am in a much better place now, physically, mentally, and emotionally.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

The community is waiting.

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No, not the community is waiting. Only a bunch of asshats on 5chan that think they're some kind of crusaders with a duty to attack anyone who doesn't abide to their ideals are waiting.

The fact that Square Enix caters to such scum in the first place just baffles me. Isn't it the public perception that 5chan, just like 4chan, is the dirty slum of the internet, where only the internet equivalent of crack addicts, yakuza members, social outcasts and obnoxious people reside? This whole situation feels like the equivalent of the metaphor: 'Naoki Yoshida holds a fan gathering in dirty ghetto bar filled with alcohol drinking minors, std infected hookers, violent drunkards that beat people up because they don't like their face, etc. to advertise FFXIV'.

By the way, great troll post

If anything it would be a suspension. People can whine and complain on here about grey areas till blue in the face, however, the simple fact is all mods are against the ToS. Using them openly on stream is just asking for trouble.

The only question around 3rd party tools is what you can get away with, not what is allowed. Each person will make that decision for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Curisu

Could I get a small explaination what happend?
I just remember him being someone who enjoys the story.

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Having followed him from 2.1 to 3.4 he's not really someone that "just" enjoys the story. Admitedly, it grew on as the number of streams increased, but he got increasingly agressive and caustic. By the end of it I stopped watching him because it was an unpleasant experience. And to my understanding, those episodes have not ceased to happen... just that this time he got more eyes focused on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

I couldn't give a shit about the opinion of someone who watched out of context clip made by hater on reddit who only show someone getting mad without showing the lead up and now are so opinionated about a subject they know shit about.

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Banned once on twitch for similar behavior, nothing out of context here. Him taking that mic off the stand grabbing it with all his might is almost him wanting to grab someone across the table.

What he said wasn't even wrong, and other Streamers have similar arguments with chat and ban people too and don't get the same blowback.
I think the difference is that he comes across way more like an unlikable douchebag when he does, if you're Asmongold people are gonna be more accepting towards it and take it less seriously because it's more part of his persona.
With Pyro it's not really a persona or an exaggeration that's just what he's like.
He also comes across more like an adult outside of that too while you've got a lot of Streamers that are basically children in adult bodies so people have different expectations.
But I really don't think his mental breakdown was actually that bad for Twitch lol.
It just came across as both more real and also less comedic because he's not a 30 year old boy who became popular as a Streamer as a teenager and never grew up.

I dunno tho every time I try and watch his Stream I tune in and he's having a giant argument with chat for like 30+ minutes or he's taking notes for 30 minutes between every sentence.
It's pretty unwatchable imo.
But I also think most drama and outrage Streamers are totally unwatchable and it's VERY common content.

I'll say this. I have noticed all this attention to this topic has rewarded him with tons more followers and subscribers who sympathize with him. Whether you're for or against him, it's a win/win situation for him, due to the attention (positive or negative) brought in threads like this one.