What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

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Originally Posted by Escence

Of course yoshi is going to be polite because at the end of day he wants you to be still subscribe or making purchase in the cash shop at the end of the day he need to make sure that player keep their subscription active to show square that this game is still successful.

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Yes because the guy can't genuinely be a nice dude because he's "corporate". This is why you see so many worship the guy as on the extreme side we have logic like this.
I for one think he has the best intentions but doesn't always succeed in execution

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Between the healer problems for 6 years being ignored, the recent Hrothgar problems where they waited patiently for 3 years and got literal shit, to the horrid job design in 6.1, the pretty controversial story of EW, to now the housing system just imploding on itself. Do the devs just not care anymore? The game is seeing it’s peak, the game is bringing in more money than ever, and yet we’re somehow getting more broken systems. I guess this is what happens when they let the popularity get to their head? They start thinking they can half ass everything and people will continue to stay and kiss up to them. Seeing this community’s history i don’t blame them for thinking that way but…my god. The game is taking such a downward spiral. At this point i’m expecting Ultimate to have some major errors and that would be the icing on the cake.

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Everything that's happening to FFXIV is very reminiscent of what happened to wow. Wow started off as excellent but eventually stopped prioritizing entertainment for gamers and instead became a way to siphon as much cash from the customer as possible.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Yet I've seen maybe 4 folks here in the slew of comments say the game is fine. This thread has big wash of "look at xyz, xyz is bad", but nothing (or not much) on how to fix those. Not everyone here is complaining for change, I'll bet plenty are complaining for the sake of or just to be part of the group.

I'm not excusing anything but it does seem SE isn't allowed to make mistakes because they're a big company and "big Corpo = bad". Have they taken on a tall order and tried to appeal to to many folks? Sure, but I'm not gonna crap on them for it.

Also overflowing issues isn't always needed. How a class performs? No. Losing money due a bugged lottery, yes

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It's not the customer's job to tell them how to fix their issues. Why would it be our responsibility to tell their paid employees how to fix their own product? There have been suggestions, for instance on how to deal with healer issues, which they routinely ignore. They go and throw in job changes which suggest they're not actually listening to what they're being told.

There have been long, on-going threads of complaints over a variety of issues, and for many this is just compounding these issues, which other posters have articulated several times now.

If you don't like complaints threads, stick to the positive ones, but we're not retracting our comments or complaints because this thread doesn't meet some supposed requisite "positivity" quota.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Between the healer problems for 6 years being ignored, the recent Hrothgar problems where they waited patiently for 3 years and got literal shit, to the horrid job design in 6.1, the pretty controversial story of EW, to now the housing system just imploding on itself. Do the devs just not care anymore? The game is seeing it’s peak, the game is bringing in more money than ever, and yet we’re somehow getting more broken systems. I guess this is what happens when they let the popularity get to their head? They start thinking they can half ass everything and people will continue to stay and kiss up to them. Seeing this community’s history i don’t blame them for thinking that way but…my god. The game is taking such a downward spiral. At this point i’m expecting Ultimate to have some major errors and that would be the icing on the cake.

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Sadly, it's because the competition is over. FFXIV won over WoW and everyday it's becoming more similar to WoW.
You can hope for improvements in other MMOs but not here. Not anymore.
There is also the hope that the new WoW expansion will revive the game, resurrecting FFXIV and WoW competition once more. I'm hoping for that even when I know its probably not going to happen but one can at least hope.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

It's not the customer's job to tell them how to fix their issues. Why would it be our responsibility to tell their paid employees how to fix their own product? There have been suggestions, for instance on how to deal with healer issues, which they routinely ignore.

There have been long, on-going threads of complaints, and for many this is just compounding these issues, which other posters have articulated several times now.

If you don't like complaints threads, stick to the positive ones, but we're not retracting our comments or complaints because this thread doesn't meet some supposed requisite "positivity" quota.

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And this is in response to?

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Sadly, it's because the competition is over. FFXIV won over WoW and everyday it's becoming more similar to WoW.
You can hope for improvements in other MMOs but not here. Not anymore.
There is also the hope that the new WoW expansion will revive the game, resurrecting FFXIV and WoW competition once more. I'm hoping for that even when I know its probably not going to happen but one can at least hope.

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I mean there's Lost Ark??? I heard a lot of praise for it despite it being pay 2 win.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Yet I've seen maybe 4 folks here in the slew of comments say the game is fine. This thread has big wash of "look at xyz, xyz is bad", but nothing (or not much) on how to fix those. Not everyone here is complaining for change, I'll bet plenty are complaining for the sake of or just to be part of the group.

I'm not excusing anything but it does seem SE isn't allowed to make mistakes because they're a big company and "big Corpo = bad". Have they taken on a tall order and tried to appeal to to many folks? Sure, but I'm not gonna crap on them for it.

Also overflowing issues isn't always needed. How a class performs? No. Losing money due a bugged lottery, yes

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As far as I'm concerned, Square is not allowed to mess up on making a working random number generator. I was taught how to make one during gcses in high school. A line has gotta be drawn somewhere and I am drawing it right here. People are free to disagree of course. But to the layman like me, this screams incompetence.

I'm not sure why many people are saying we should try to offer solutions to be honest. We're random people on the Internet. If we could solve their issues for them they better give us a job offer.

Furthermore, the housing debacle can't be fixed. Rollback everything? People who win, despite there being a possible bias in the system, get fucked. Don't rollback? People who didn't win gets fucked. Do the lottery again? Everyone gets fucked. Yoshi-p isn't gonna be able to “please understand" out of this one. Housing was a shitshow in ffxiv since time immemorial, this change was supposed to show us the housing team aren't incompetent idiots. They failed kek

What is the team doing? I don't know, but definitely not housing improvements that's for sure

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Originally Posted by Manofpassion

As far as I'm concerned, Square is not allowed to mess up on making a working random number generator. I was taught how to make one during gcses in high school. A line has gotta be drawn somewhere and I am drawing it right here. People are free to disagree of course. But to the layman like me, this screams incompetence.

I'm not sure why many people are saying we should try to offer solutions to be honest. We're random people on the Internet. If we could solve their issues for then they better give us a job offer.

Furthermore, the housing debacle can't be fixed. Rollback everything? People who win, despite there being a possible bias in the system, get fucked. Don't rollback? People who didn't roll back get fucked. Do the lottery again? Everyone gets fucked. Yoshi-p isn't gonna be able to “please understand" out of this one. Housing was a shitshow in ffxiv since time immemorial, this change was supposed to show us the housing team aren't incompetent idiots. They failed kek

What is the team doing? I don't know, but definitely not housing improvements that's for sure

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I did say the housing stuff isn't acceptable. But I don't think anyone here is saying to fix the game for them so not sure where that's coming from.
But if all the being put forth are issues with no solutions (though ofc many have offered as such in other threads) then it's complaing for the sake of which gets nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

Crap? Just because you don't like the words he uses or the tone of his reasoning doesn't mean he's crapping on them. If people want to praise Square, they can start their thread rather than coming into a complaint thread to subvert people trying to vent their concerns about the game, which is more malicious than someone being slightly blunt with them.

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No they can't, because then the people unhappy come into that thread and have the "How dare you say something positive" attitude or accuse them of ignoring or being blind to issues. Can we just agree that people are going to have differing opinions and we don't get to decide when those opinions get stated? Everyone should feel free to speak up on these forums, but I rarely see anything positive because the negative people jump down their throats when they do.

Alright, I'll give a solution then. Remove housing from the game and fire everyone involved in housing. They have shown time and time again they don't know what they're doing. Expecting people to stay up all night clicking on a sign? Simply absurd. If they can't do a feature right, then don't add it. Otherwise they are just giving us hope and letting us down over and over. Rework Island sanctuary into actual instanced housing, assuming the people in charge of that have an IQ above room temperature. Yoshi-p let 1.0 burn to remake it to be something good, it's time for the shitty housing team to go the same way.

I think the game has problems like job design, spaghetti code or hrothgar hair, but I really don't agree with the rest. Every patch has tons of stuff to do for me and the quality of, say, the latest raid speaks for itself. And the level of self-expression is something I don't see in any other MMO. Their priorities seem a bit backwards sometimes but the sky is definitely not falling.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

No they can't, because then the people unhappy come into that thread and have the "How dare you say something positive" attitude or accuse them of ignoring or being blind to issues. Can we just agree that people are going to have differing opinions and we don't get to decide when those opinions get stated? Everyone should feel free to speak up on these forums, but I rarely see anything positive because the negative people jump down their throats when they do.

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100% agree but you may get blowback from this one. Folks don't like being called out

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Fairly certain most of us who played certain other mmo can see the red flags rather fast

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I love how everyone's WoW instincts come back the minute they smell a hint of trouble. Unfortunately, the corporate bullcrap detector never goes away and never will. If these people don't agree or think people's concerns are overblown in their estimation, we all know they haven't seen an MMO die a diminishing death over 18years, along with the hopes and friend groups of the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

I love how everyone's WoW instincts come back the minute they smell a hint of trouble. Unfortunately, the corporate bullcrap detector never goes away and never will. If these people don't agree or think people's concerns are overblown in their estimation, we all know they haven't seen an MMO die a diminishing death over 18years, along with the hopes and friend groups of the playerbase.

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So you're implying it's not possible for them to have seen an mmo die if they don't share your opinion. That's VERY off logic

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

And the level of self-expression is something I don't see in any other MMO.

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...and yet a decade into the game's development I still can't play a tall, conventionally attractive well-built human with authentic eyebrows. One of the most standard combinations in pretty much every fantasy game ever.

I like my Midlander, though I'd much prefer the option to play a taller guy with bigger muscles who doesn't look like he's lost a hundred bar fights.

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Originally Posted by Manofpassion

Alright, I'll give a solution then. Remove housing from the game and fire everyone involved in housing. They have shown time and time again they don't know what they're doing. Expecting people to stay up all night clicking on a sign? Simply absurd. If they can't do a feature right, then don't add it. Otherwise they are just giving us hope and letting us down over and over. Rework Island sanctuary into actual instanced housing, assuming the people in charge of that have an IQ above room temperature. Yoshi-p let 1.0 burn to remake it to be something good, it's time for the shitty housing team to go the same way.

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How about you keep the old system, work on a new one that allows for instanced plots and then release that to the public. Still, those already with houses should not be deprived of that experience because you and I don't have one, or they could lessen that strain by allowing for bigger apartments. It's absurd that we state that a large plot can't be in an apartment. The same goes with a free company hall.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

So you're implying it's not possible for them to have seen an mmo die if they don't share your opinion. That's VERY off logic

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Then maybe you should stop inferring things and start reading.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

Then maybe you should stop inferring things and start reading.

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And once again, the condescending crap starts. You people all operate the same way like clockwork. Not everyone is going to see things the same way despite having or being through similar things.

Love this community

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

And once again, the condescending crap starts. You people all operate the same way like clockwork. Not everyone is going to see things the same way despite having or being through similar things.

Love this community

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Then don't make it so easy for people to condescend, if you don't give them a reason to they won't do it. I love the bigotry towards those you disagree with. no one said they would see or think the same things the same proving my point that you don't read.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

100% agree but you may get blowback from this one. Folks don't like being called out

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Like I care. They haven't run me off after 7 years. They're not going to do so now. I'm just tired of the sniping. I'm tired of this atmosphere that if someone is empathetic with the developers that they don't see or don't care about issues and think the game is perfect. And using that as a reason to turn vitriol their way. They can hate the game if they want. They don't get to hate other players for disagreeing or try to intimidate them into not speaking up.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

How about you keep the old system, work on a new one that allows for instanced plots and then release that to the public. Still, those already with houses should not be deprived of that experience because you and I don't have one, or they could lessen that strain by allowing for bigger apartments. It's absurd that we state that a large plot can't be in an apartment. The same goes with a free company hall.

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What is weird is this has been consensus since day one issues. Leave the wards as is, they were an attempt that failed the community. Just build proper instanced housing. I have even went so far as to suggest a charge on sub if it is server cost issue. Then you get the SE apologists get an apartment it is instanced. Except they didn't build that new they just reused free company housing assets and can't make it any better.



This dev team has refused and put more and more into their system of housing. I don't know why they refuse to admit it is a mistake and move on.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

How about you keep the old system, work on a new one that allows for instanced plots and then release that to the public. Still, those already with houses should not be deprived of that experience because you and I don't have one, or they could lessen that strain by allowing for bigger apartments. It's absurd that we state that a large plot can't be in an apartment. The same goes with a free company hall.

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Oh I do have a house. I realise my opinion is quite controversial, and most people with houses will obviously think that it is a shitty idea. But I have no confidence in the housing team that they will improve this system, only to make it worse. Unless everyone involved in housing is replaced in the company completely, I think letting it burn is better than watching the housing team screw up again and again for another 9 years. It'll save us a lot time and anger in the long run kek

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Originally Posted by Vryn

Then don't make it so easy for people to condescend, if you don't give them a reason to they won't do it.

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Ahhhh right. It's because I apparently gave a reason to do that. Not because you decided to take a personal issue with a harmless post of opposing opinion. You are something else

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I mean there's Lost Ark??? I heard a lot of praise for it despite it being pay 2 win.

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I can see why you would think so, but comparing FFXIV with Lost Ark is similar to comparing WoW with Runescape. They're MMO but not the same type of MMOs.
You can compare Lost Ark to Path of exile but you can't compare both to FFXIV and WoW
You can compare Albion online with Runescape but you can't compare them to both Lost Ark and Path of exile.
Different aspects and focuses that you can't just simply compare. Trying to do so is like comparing cars with buses or trucks. They run on the same road and are identical in similarities yet so different, and so are MMOs
Currently, nothing really stands out in the field. New world died, ESO and GW2 are getting expansions but aren't really standing out from the crowd and WoW just lost its playerbase. I'm having hopes that WoW's next expansion will take a positive curve into improvements and that Ashes of creation will turn out to be a great game (Its really promising in my opinion) so that the competition and the genre will be revived.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Like I care. They haven't run me off after 7 years. They're not going to do so now. I'm just tired of the sniping. I'm tired of this atmosphere that if someone is empathetic with the developers that they don't see or don't care about issues and think the game is perfect. And using that as a reason to turn vitriol their way. They can hate the game if they want. They don't get to hate other players for disagreeing or try to intimidate them into not speaking up.

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Have to say, it's refreshing to see someone say this. Mad respect. Need more folks like you around here

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Originally Posted by Theodric

...and yet a decade into the game's development I still can't play a tall, conventionally attractive well-built human with authentic eyebrows. One of the most standard combinations in pretty much every fantasy game ever.

I like my Midlander, though I'd much prefer the option to play a taller guy with bigger muscles who doesn't look like he's lost a hundred bar fights.

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So people value different things. And yet I personally would struggle to find another MMO that even comes close to offering what XIV has. I still get frustrated over some parts of the game (like the cash shop or the lack of difficulty in old content) but if you look at the competition apart from maybe the usual other five (maybe) the rest is really, really bad. I wouldn't go so far as to say we're all spoiled but c'mon. Again, the sky isn't falling.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

Four sets I can think of are reused assets. This expansion has not been a glowing example of skilled gear design. Every expansion has seen less sets then the last one. You can say quality is better they are more unique, that doesn't invalidate the statement less sets.

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But that's untrue. Every expansion comes with the same number of new sets, and with some recoloured ones. Endwalker doesn't have less sets than previous expansions. And the sets have seen an improvement because now the dg and raid ones come as dyeable, unlike how they were in the past.
We also get more crafted glamours per patch than we did before.

(Note: glamours are my favourite part of every expansion and the one feature I pay the most attention to. I would be disappointed if we got less. But we did not).

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Technically we do. As good looking as all the new gearsets are, they've been using a lot of the "everyone has essentially the same gear, but color swapped" technique lately.

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This is untrue as well. Some classes have always shared the same model with different colours, but we're getting the same number of designs per set (which is... 4? Or 5, not sure). I wish everyone got the same gear; I'm really loving both the DRG and BRD models from the latest patches, which I can't wear on my WHM character unless I level those classes. I guess I'll have to do it!

Can we talk a min about how the pvp trophy gear is just repurposed job gear. What's up with that?!?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Like I care. They haven't run me off after 7 years. They're not going to do so now. I'm just tired of the sniping. I'm tired of this atmosphere that if someone is empathetic with the developers that they don't see or don't care about issues and think the game is perfect. And using that as a reason to turn vitriol their way. They can hate the game if they want. They don't get to hate other players for disagreeing or try to intimidate them into not speaking up.

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I'm sorry to tell you this. No one can run you off, and no one tries to. The fact that you think people do by saying things you don't like shows your self-importance. People are paying customers and have the right to complain. You have the right to say otherwise. No one said you don't. Still, people don't have to be nice to you when you're trying to subvert a complaints thread to notify the devs that they aren't happy with the current state of the game, and that's malicious because you are damaging their ability to communicate their disaffection with the current service offering square Enix provides especially after today. No one has called you names, nor do they hate you they don't know you, nor do they care about you. You are someone who put themselves in front of a charging bull and got hit, and then complained the bull hit them.

They cant intimidate you for disagreeing. The forums aren't real. The people here aren't akin to girl from the Ring they cant come to through your screen to reach out after seven days of reading the cursed thread.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

So people value different things. And yet I personally would struggle to find another MMO that even comes close to offering what XIV has. I still get frustrated over some parts of the game (like the cash shop or the lack of difficulty in old content) but if you look at the competition apart from maybe the usual other five (maybe) the rest is really, really bad. I wouldn't go so far as to say we're all spoiled but c'mon. Again, the sky isn't falling.

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Unless you're into housing. Then the sky has fallen so many times the only thing left is a barren wasteland. The only survivors left have had their mental states deteriorate so much, they are still punching placards and are afraid of the number 0 to this day.

#rebootffxivhousing

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Ahhhh right. It's because I apparently gave a reason to do that. Not because you decided to take a personal issue with a harmless post of opposing opinion. You are something else

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You replied to me on a public forum, I am allowed to do the same in turn if you have a problem with how I say it too bad go cry to your mum that you didn't like a forum post.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

No they can't, because then the people unhappy come into that thread and have the "How dare you say something positive" attitude or accuse them of ignoring or being blind to issues. Can we just agree that people are going to have differing opinions and we don't get to decide when those opinions get stated? Everyone should feel free to speak up on these forums, but I rarely see anything positive because the negative people jump down their throats when they do.

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Which post are you referring to, exactly? Do you have a link?

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Originally Posted by Vryn

You replied to me on a public forum, I am allowed to do the same in turn if you have a problem with how I say it too bad go cry to your mum that you didn't like a forum post.

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"Go cry to mum". Yeah my mother doesn't even remember me due to dementia so sorry thats not an option for me. If you want to hurt my feelings you need to try harder than that.

We don't need toxic crap like this in the community

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Originally Posted by thereal_aliceanders

Can we talk a min about how the pvp trophy gear is just repurposed job gear. What's up with that?!?

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Most of it is HW job gear that's been updated with the modern texture styles for cloth and metals, it's very much improved. Yeah DNC, GNB, SGE and RPR get left out but they didn't have level 60 job gear so that's no surprise. I'm hoping it's a sign of things to come with older gear getting either updated itself or released with a new version that has the new material styles and texture quality. I'm sure there are people out there who would rather they didn't just replace the old sets.

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Originally Posted by Manofpassion

Unless you're into housing. Then the sky has fallen so many times the only thing left is a barren wasteland. The only survivors left have had their mental states deteriorate so much, they are still punching placards and afraid of the number 0 to this day.

#rebootffxivhousing

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The housing system could be better. And auto-demolition has upsides and downside. Is that something that needs debating? Again, the game has problems. Which one doesn't? I do have a few gripes with the game myself. But the whole doom and gloom is really a bit much. Not so long ago the servers were close to melting because of all the new people. lol I personally am not the biggest fan the direction the game is heading toward. Skills being taken away etc etc. But even I can't be that... whatever this threat is. lol

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

"Go cry to mum". Yeah my mother doesn't even remember me due to dementia so sorry thats not an option for me. If you want to hurt my feelings you need to try harder than that.

We don't need toxic crap like this in the community

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Me caring about your mum wouldn't matter, and you know it doesn't. Stop trying to use your mum's illness as ammo.

The only one being toxic here is you. You came here to argue with people who are very unhappy after today. This, for many people, is the culmination of many years of disappointment and dissatisfaction. Why should anyone give you the respect you think you deserve when you don't show it to them? For many people, this is a breaking point. The prudent thing would have been to allow them to say their piece and then discuss how good the patch was a few days after rather than at 2-4 in the morning, depending on the region, to try and subvert their feelings.

Before you go calling other people toxic, you should know better. How about you show some tact by allowing others who paid their hard-earned cash to have some peace. We get you to disagree, and we know many more do, but the difference is they aren't here trying to start knowingly or unknowingly something to derail the forum. If you have something to say, do it a few days later, not right after it happens.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Which post are you referring to, exactly? Do you have a link?

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You mean like this one where the poster was intimidated into changing their original post? It's just the latest. It's not always at a time when there's an issue. People go into positive threads all the time with negativity. And it's not even a problem that people disagree. They can come into the thread and say "X isn't my cup of tea or whatever" and that's fine. That's free and open exchange of ideas. But that doesn't happen. The thread 9 times out of 10 goes into a handful of people insulting the poster. We don't all have to agree all the time. That would get boring. But we need to respect that we all have a variety of opinions.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...the-Developers

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

The housing system could be better. And auto-demolition has upsides and downside. Is that something that needs debating? Again, the game has problems. Which one doesn't? I do have a few gripes with the game myself. But the whole doom and gloom is really a bit much. Not so long ago the servers were close to melting because of all the new people. lol I personally am not the biggest fan the direction the game is heading toward. Skills being taken away etc etc. But even I can't be that... whatever this threat is. lol

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No worries, it's not a threat at all, sorry if it came off that way. While you are right in saying that every game has problems, I think me and many people think that housing in this game is simply an abject failure. A casual look at our competitors shows our system is not only inferior, but just straight up doesn't work. A friend of mine recently started lost ark, and he got his house in one week!!! Imagine a sprout doing that in ffxiv. I would be more willing to tolerate this system with its flaws, but after punching placards for one and a half years, losing the lottery to 0, a person who literally does not exist, I think it is quite clear that whatever positives housing has don't outweigh the disappointment the players have felt since, well, since housing was introduced. You are from spriggan as well, I'm sure you know of the fc that owns an entire ward in the goblet. The system, and the housing team, just simply does not work. They need to put in more time and effort to make the system not terrible, and they are simply too incompetent to do so. If they're not willing to fix their own problems and wipe their own arse, let it burn and recruit people with actual good ideas to redo it from scratch, in my opinion. I think I can speak on behalf of many, if not all players, that we do not want to deal with this shitty system for the next decade.

Ffxiv survived 1.0 reboot, we can handle housing reboot. #rebootffxivhousing

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

You mean like this one where the poster was intimidated into changing their original post? It's just the latest. It's not always at a time when there's an issue. People go into positive threads all the time with negativity. And it's not even a problem that people disagree. They can come into the thread and say "X isn't my cup of tea or whatever" and that's fine. That's free and open exchange of ideas. But that doesn't happen. The thread 9 times out of 10 goes into a handful of people insulting the poster. We don't all have to agree all the time. That would get boring. But we need to respect that we all have a variety of opinions.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...the-Developers

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I read that exchange. The discussion was fairly civil until around this point:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5904961

Yet even after that remained fairly civil. At no point was the OP "intimidated" - they chose of their own volition to change their post after some back and forth, but please don't pretend anyone forced them or "intimidated" them.

Especially when it devolved into this:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5905000

I have a lot of friends who have been consistently positive and upbeat about this game in their years playing it.

As of 6.1, I'm seeing a lot of unprecedented negativity from places that I wouldn't usually expect it. That is not a good sign.


One major gripe about the patch I don't see around too much but is talked about a lot among my friends is about how the new EX trial is horrible. This fight isn't just the last boss of Endwalker; It's mean to be the final boss of a core story arc that has spanned more than 10 years. Why did it get such a significantly lazier treatment than Shinryu, Hades and Thordan? The EX version is genuinely less interesting than the normal mode. How on earth did that even happen? I knew so many people hyped for the fight to release, and I literally don't know a single person that likes what we got.