Well, this is a solid argument to have and its fair to say that some set/theme are reskinned/reused, but getting mad over this kind of stuff is useless, just post this once argue once and get on with it, this is what you get from this expansion, in the live letter they usually detailed their priority and program, if you want an answer do watch that live letter, dont waste the dev time to reexplain everything more than once or necessary, they already make some new set/theme but doesnt have time for every lvl apparantly because perhaps they spend their money elsewhere, new oceania server? island sanctuary? story writing? map design? tier set? or even more salary for yoshi P or the dev? who knows? at least they are being more transparant than most other developer on what they were thinking and doing in the live letter, who knows perhaps they will answer this thread question in the next live letter?
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12-25-2021, 12:04 PMRavor
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12-25-2021, 12:11 PMKaurhzThe fact you've asked this question previously and the fact you ask it once again is almost baffling. There is no excuse here, but as I have told you, if you think this is new or even exclusive to this expansion then you haven't done your research since this is present as early as Heavensward (Most especially games within the same franchise), and aside from this? I don't know? Maybe the lead composer having health issues. Also FYI assuming we're referring to the same thing, that particular theme is actually the Primals Remix as opposed to being an outright reuse.Quote:
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You thought you were clever with this one - But in reality it's a poorly made argument. 'lmao' -
12-25-2021, 12:42 PMKizuyaKatogamiUh oh someone’s getting tilted. When did they reuse an expert dungeon theme in HW? But even disregarding that using an earlier expansion as proof isn’t a very good argument. Again we should be seeing improvements on these things. They should have a backup composer, that’s kind of part of the hiring procedure they shouldn’t have everything relying on him. You’ve had a lot of poorly made arguments in this thread but you’re entitled to them as anyone else is. The fact you’re still constantly responding to me is almost baffling. I didn’t think i was clever, i was simply pointing out an objective fact. It’s lazy, especially after all the money the players have made for the game. We get rewarded with the most gear reuse out of any expansion and an expert dungeon theme reuse. I’m going to keep mentioning it yes because people shouldn’t be quieted down about criticism, it needs to be brought to their attention and this is what the forums are for no? I understand it may be the norm for you and a majority of the community to gulp down everything the devs try and feed you but not everyone follows that philosophy. You do you though :) Merry christmas!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
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12-25-2021, 12:57 PMKaurhzI would consider it a fairly natural thing, I took my time responding to that comment for you to graciously ignore it, and then subsequently ask it again, by definition wasting my time. I'm not talking about exclusively reused in expert dungeons but rather throughout the game itself. But hey I will just bring up Calcabrina's theme for you, in addition to the theme used for Doma - Let me just elaborate and expand that we should be seeing an increase in content or at the very least a general increase throughout the course of the expansion, not where you just deem fit to use your yardstick and cherry pick content areas to use to try and create a narrative that the developers are lazy. instead of trying to present the question of why, you practically almost immediately took the troupe of exclaiming they're lazy, despite yourself probably not even being in the development or project management field, but this aside, I don't think you or anyone (myself included) is fit to throw around this accusation until the entire of the expansion has concluded (including patches which introduce further content). But like I said with regards to the particular theme, it was actually the Primals arrangement and not the same from the original encounter. Not only that it appropriately fit the dungeon. You don't needlessly reinvent the wheel when something wholly appropriate has already been created for it. I mean and Omega theme, used in a dungeon which essentially encompassed the Omicrons.. Who'd a thought, such a tyranny.Quote:
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I'm hardly trying to silence your criticism, in fact I actually agree that it's a valid criticism, I just question the conclusion that you so gleefully arrived at in that you're chalking it up to lazy, money hungry piggies, as opposed to simply asking if those resources are going to be focussed elsewhere in the expansions development going forward. In fact no my arguments have just been terribly interpreted evidently. But hey, opinions and all.
There's a certain level of irony in that you seem to feel you can throw criticism around, yet not be open to simple fact that not many people share your criticisms of the game, or at the very least view them to be very mundane in the grand scope of things. As per another thread, which applies quite heavily in this case.
You know, quite like the purpose with which a forum is designed for debating, both in agreement, or disagreement. This doesn't apply word-for-word, but me not sharing the self-same criticism as you does not equate to me simply gulping down whatever the developers feed me. Contrary to how people might use this in attempt to deflect a disagreement in their outlook or philosophy. I just simply have the mindset that they're electing to use these 'cut' efforts elsewhere within the development of the game.Quote:
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12-25-2021, 01:09 PMKizuyaKatogamiI wasn’t saying you in particular but as a general thing as that’s a major problem with these forums and the community as a whole. They try to silence people who have valid concerns for the game. I felt the same way you do in Shb, when they cut certain things. I said, surely we’ll just see those resources allocated elsewhere. The missing primal weapons, the loss of dungeons,deep dungeons, hildibrand etc. Yet despite their claims i didn’t see much improvement. They stated they reduced the amount of dungeons so they can focus more one the ones we did get yet the expert dungeons from 5.1+ are complete jokes. The bosses are simple and the mob packs die incredibly fast compared to base game things. We don’t know where the resources went to that would’ve been put towards hildibrand or allied beast tribe quests, nor do we know where they put the resources that would’ve went towards a second pvp set and an end of expansion set. You would think the missing glams would mean we’d then get less reused gear or we’d at least get dyable dungeon gear but…nope that didn’t happen. So at this point am i going to be wondering that again like i was in ShB? It’s not good to already see this much reusing this early on especially for the expansion that’s after the one that broke both money and player records.Again we should be seeing at the very least the same amount of content we got last expansion. Especially with the 6-7 month delay. Like, genuinely, the fact we are 4 expansions in and dyable dungeon gear is still a foreign concept is beyond crazy.Quote:
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12-25-2021, 01:22 PMFrogDogOh cool! So, are we getting more zones? Oh nope, it's still 6?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
More trials? Oh....guess not.
Maybe an extra alliance raid? Hmmmm, don't think so.
Perhaps we're getting a few more dungeons! Darn, that's right those got cut to one a patch and they don't even have unique gear most of the time.
Well, surely they're overhauling some systems like housing or inventory/glam. What? They're not doing that either?
You get my point. The cuts aren't resulting in new content. As far as actually new content that breaks with the formula what are we getting this xpac? Island Sanctuary? It'd better be amazing and not like just a week-long diversion like BLU then. -
12-25-2021, 01:29 PMKaurhzSure, some people have that perspective on things, but in many regards it cannot help. Some people ask for such changes, or deviates that it would require a complete redo of their design philosophies, be it with respect to dungeons or raids. So realistically pointing someone in the avenue is not necessarily the worst idea in the world as their expectations or demands never bear fruit.Quote:
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See personally this is where I'm going to disagree with you. Not entirely, but fundamentally. We've seen as much content in ShB as we have with other previous expansions, the only issue is, is that this content potentially came at the expense of something that ultimately became fundamental to how we level with outstanding replayability value, and in this case I point the finger towards our deep dungeon comrade. We got as much content, if not more than previous expansions, but unfortunately it didn't see the same replayability value. This is an area where the developers have always been the most vulnerable. For example, deep dungeon has the potential in essentially incorporating something similar to what you might see with Mythic+, without necessarily requiring them to rethink and redo their linear dungeon format. Personally, I enjoyed ShB a heck of a lot more than I did Stormblood, and Stormblood I enjoyed less than ARR.
The dungeons I also personally disagree on, considering we got Delubrum (multi-tiered), and Dalriada on top of Castrum Lacus (arguably one of these is just the equivalent of Baldesion Arsenal). The problem with trying to look where those resources went is that it won't necessarily always translate to a 1-1, and sometimes it forsakes quantity for quality, with the latter being a very subjective matter, and is something that if tried could be debated until new year. Similarly, we could debate all day long about the actual gear assets themselves and the effort that goes into them. This is why I'm very adamant and argumentative on the matter. Sure we have less 1 less mount, an entirely omitted gearset and heaven forbid a disparity between the number of new assets on an expansion by expansion basis, But whilst I hold the opinion that more effort has gone into the individual or uniquely released assets then I will stand by that argument, regardless. (Again, the whole quantity vs quality trade-off)
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12-25-2021, 01:33 PMKaurhzI like how you elected to ignore the simple fact of:Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDog
- Ishgard Restoration (Which saw the emergence of an 'expert' system & several unique glamours)
- Ocean Fishing
- Non-combat relics
- Large scale raid encounter (which also included a normal and savage difficulty)
- Dalriada, and Castrum Lacus Litore
- Mahjong
- Crafter/Gatherer overhaul
- Additions to the Performance system
- Additions to BLU which at least saw encouragement in actually utilising it for older raids
- Introduction of Faux Hollows
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12-25-2021, 01:44 PMMakeda
I'm not sure why we need more gear when EVERYONE wears Hempen Camise and 2B leggings anyway...
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12-25-2021, 01:53 PMKizuyaKatogamiI think he was mainly talking about this expansion and upgrades we may or should have seen but didn’t. Irregardless though, Let’s not act like Faux Hollows was some monumental thing. Unreal trials are quite literally the same exact thing as their normal extreme trials just doing more damage and having more hp. If i’m not mistaken the faux hollow mounts are just reskins of already existing mounts. Blu saw upgrades yes but we also got that in SB alongside many of the other things SB provided us with. Ishgard restoration was new but something like Diadem was not, and neither was the whole collectible thing really. The housing district also wasn’t something new and extra as SB gave us an entire housing district as well in the very expansion it was introduced. ShB may have given us ocean fishing but SB also gave us Spear fishing AND diving. Non combat relics are a new and needed addition so those are true yes, along with the 3 bozja raids however it is certainly debatable if those raid bosses equal up the the quality and amount we’d have gotten if we got deep dungeon and the removed dungeons instead. Especially if you take into account the 2 extra zones eureka had.Quote:
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12-25-2021, 01:58 PMFrogDogDoesn't change the fact that the things I mentioned aren't being expanded upon or are being cut. Apparently they're being cut in favor of Mahjong and Ocean Fishing though so it must be fine. We didn't get Hildy, we didn't get a completion quest for beast tribes, we didn't get Deep Dungeon.Quote:
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12-25-2021, 02:19 PMKaurhzIf he's talking about this expansion and the upgrades we may or may not see then he's about 2 years too early to try and even bother making that assessment. How relics will be delivered is still up in the air, as are many of things that we may or may not see.Quote:
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I don't disagree, in fact I agree that Faux Hollows aren't revolutionary, but at the very least it added some value into older content, whilst doing something that players could do on a regular basis. Essentially equivalent to Wondrous Tales, except at a bit of a higher difficulty, I suppose. Talking about spearfishing and Diving are both pointless topics because that has and to this day still remains a constant. That content was introduced and still is maintained. Collectible system in itself wasn't unique, but how they handled expert was fairly unique in that it require concise execution of abilities and unique material conditions - In this regard Experts are the staple of decent content with low development overhead.
The latter part just highlights my key points really, and in fact some of your own, in that Deep Dungeon itself doesn't really involve a unique set of mechanics, nor bosses/trash mobs. it's just a lovely little crawler with reused assets. The key value with deep dungeon is the replayability factor that it had, both in terms of levelling and for those seeking a challenge solo, or just for loot. In the sense I would argue the amount of development time was the same, but the investment factor players got from it varied massively. But that's just an example of the developers taking a risk and it not paying off. Clearly they have learnt their lesson as they openly admitted they didn't expect the response from the absence of Deep Dungeon. Hence their potential re-emergence. Eureka is the perfect example of quantity not always equating to quality. Bozja was developed almost entirely based on the player feedback from Eureka. Arguably outside of needless zone count (which can easily be attributed to CLL/Dalriada/Delubrum) Bozja objectively had more to offer. Eureka offered FATEs and a Bunny FATE with BA and logograms. Comparatively, Bozja offered practically everything mentioned in my last sentence, plus that of Critical Engagements and Solo encounters for those seeking a 'challenge', ohh and the lost actions system (basically rehashed logograms).
The latter part of this discussion has been enjoyable, really, and Merry Christmas.
See above + No it doesn't change the fact areas are seeing cuts, that wasn't my argument. My argument was those cuts are just being utilised elsewhere. Problem with this mentality is it just puts a hindrance on the ability to actually innovate, because the fear they aren't hitting the previous expansion quota in certain areas. Development is always a finite resource, and innovation or new content comes at the expense of seeing cuts elsewhere. Be it Deep Dungeon, or Island Sanctuary, for example.Quote:
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I'm surprised it hasn't hit you yet, in that practically every monster found within deep dungeon is just a recycled asset in repeatable and recycled square rooms that semi-randomly generate floor layouts, with each room glaringly using the same layout. Honestly, the key to Deep Dungeon is not that it was a developmental miracle with extraordinary overhead, but simply that it has fantastic replayability value. That is the key with Deep Dungeon, and a point that I have never disputed or argued against. But don't pretend like Deep Dungeon was actually a masterpiece of uniquely created assets because every monster is just either an open world trash mob, or dungeon boss, and that includes the floor bosses themselves.
Regarding Hildibrand it has been stated in an interview that the content may have been getting stale, repetitive, and lacking, so yes, something else at the expense of Hildibrand, until they can actually innovate on it. If you don't like the content it was exchanged for then that is on you.
Do so as you wish, that is your prerogative but when you're caught in the act it just undermines your own argument. But hey, I like that you omitted the multi-tiered large scale raid encounter, Ishgard Restoration, and Dalriada/Castrum, and only managed to take Mahjong and Ocean Fishing from my response. https://c.tenor.com/BCZb5mOO80QAAAAd...treet-clap.gif -
12-25-2021, 02:57 PMKizuyaKatogamiIf we aren’t going to say deep dungeon etc is very revolutionary then i think the same can be said for Ocean Fishing though, which really just introduced a mount, some minions and some titles. It’s basically just a boat model with fishing and some rainbow water occasionally with dolphins and seagulls in the background. Yes Bozja was supposed to be taking the good aspects of Eureka however they ended up going against their own statements in that you wouldn’t be required to step foot in Bozja to do the relic, and quote the opposite they actually locked the relic behind time gated raid instances (castrum). When they already got bad feedback on the time gated BA instance. I also don’t know what act you’re really getting on? He’s giving his opinion on the subject i don’t see how that’s an “act.” Irregardless, we lost allied beast tribe quests, hildibrand whether stale or not, pvp sets, end of expansion glam etc and to this day we still can’t get dyable dungeon glamour…i really don’t see how that’s so much to ask for 4 expansions into a games lifetime with so much money made. Like yes, we can say whether or not they’re adding more this expansion later on but that isn’t really the point right now as we’re talking about right now as in expansion release which is just as important. Not giving at the very least a dye set to the gear you’re reusing is lazy. Like i don’t know how it can be put in any other way. Not even role swapped. As for reused mobs we can say the same about bozja and eureka. In the end they’re just glorified fates, bozja took it a step forward with duels but those are few and far between. Eureka at least had the bunny fates to give incentive to exploring the map etc. Along with the two extra design work that went into the extra eureka maps(which there was actually supposed to be 5 apparently). Also, Mahjong was specifically added for the JP playerbase. It wasn’t something that gained a lot of traction in NA but they still pour resources into it which…is honestly the subject of an entire other debate but it is what it is.I completely understand that development is a finite resource, but i really don’t think it’s too much to ask 4 expansions later in a games lifetime to have less reused gear than the first expansion, and to at the very least make the reused gear dyable. At this point i question where exactly our money is going.Quote:
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12-25-2021, 03:05 PMSturmChurroI love that they can't even bring the good aspects from Bozja into the greater game, because of how stretched their battle team is. Something needs to happen though. I feel like many of these wow refugees will jump ship once they actually hit endgame, regardless of WoW's state. They will find out there isn't much to do, and increasingly less and less to collect.Quote:
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12-25-2021, 03:14 PMFrogDogIt's not full of unique assets, no, but you hit the nail on the head with what its main value was - replayability. For all the things you listed from the last expansion most of it was of niche interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
Most people that do BLU content are done with it within a week or two, even fewer of them go for the Morbol mount. Gold Saucer has a lot of potential, wasted mostly, but potential nonetheless. They chose to give us Mahjong. I'll grant that Ishgard was the most unique and new thing they did in SHB but the zone attached to it, Diadem, was not new it was just repurposed but it definitely was the most solid bit of content added to SHB I would say.
Dalriada/Castrum are a wash I would say since they took the place of Eureka and Deep Dungeon in some respects and then the devs couldn't even end their storyline properly for some reason. Bozja/Zadnor were painfully dull zones to get through but the raids attached to them were good and I got some enjoyment out of them for the first month or two. I'm glad I didn't bother with any relics though, most of them were really ugly anyway.
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12-25-2021, 04:14 PMShin96
I personally want more content with replay value. You don't have to create new assets but you can utilize them effectively and design an instance from a gameplay perspective.
Minigames too. Something I can do with my friends that doesn't involve dailies and running content to level. Something to do while chilling mayhap? -
12-25-2021, 05:00 PMMoofiaBossVal
I don't buy "they've run out of ideas". WoW has been running for 17 years and they're still pumping out dozens of new armor sets every patch. A raid set for each of the 12 classes (with 3 different variations like the paired down LFR version, the two recolored normal and heroic versions, or the fancy mythic version), armor for all 12 classes for doing rate PvP (with 2 different versions with the elite set being even more fancy), 4 different types of armor from questing (cloth/leather/mail/plate) with multiple different questing sets, 4 different types of dungeon gear with multiple different dungeon sets, 4 different types of casual PvP gear. And crafted gear. And then there's the cosmetic and achievement gear. Even if you remove the recolors, WoW easily has like 1,000+ armor sets.
FFXIV hasn't even been running for half as long as WoW, pumps out half as many armor sets, and they've somehow "run out of ideas"? A game in the same franchise as state of the art games such as FF7, FF8, FF10, FF12, or FF13, which looked mindblowing at the time? Get out of here.
If Soken was suffering from health issues, or for whatever reason was unable to make a track for that dungeon, there is no reason why another composer could have been contracted to fill in. Soken has assistants, does he not? And Nobuo Uematsu is still on friendly terms with Square and can be contracted, among many other composers Square worked in the past like Tsuyoshi Sekito, Hamauzu, Sakimoto, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
The dearth of music was noticeable during the ShB patches. Varis didn't get a unique boss song and just reuses the generic ShB dungeon boss theme. Elidibus and Diamond Weapon didn't get unique second phase songs and just played the same song all of the way through the fight. The 5.4 and 5.5 dungeons that take place on the Source didn't get new dungeon boss music either.
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12-25-2021, 07:32 PMEasayia
Agreed. I think covid and Male Viera are to blame. However as a Bard my artifact glam I received is one of my favorites yet I changed the boots and gloves but it's soo good. I understand where the complaints come from but I also know we have crafted gear coming, and tome gear, and raid gear. I'm sure they have more to come patience people.....
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12-25-2021, 11:33 PMIscahTo be clear – and since the thread is already marked for spoilers – we are talking about using Omega's theme in the Stigma Dreamscape?Quote:
Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami
It's a new version of the song, not a direct reuse of the same track from O11 or the Twinning's Omega/Syrcus Tower mashup, so I don't see it as much different to the other dungeons having remixes of pre-existing melodies. (Both essentially "Close in the Distance", though Smileton's via it already being remixed into the moon theme.)
It's a bit unfortunate that there have been logical reasons to reuse Omega's theme for endgame dungeons two expansions in a row and this one doesn't live up to the very hard-to-beat Twinning theme, but still it makes sense to find that music reappearing here. -
12-26-2021, 12:58 AMKizuyaKatogamiYeah that’s the one i was referring to. I don’t think other remixes have bothered me too much because they’re typically much different but this one to me just sounded the exact same, and yeah it probably doesn’t help that we had the twinning at this exact same point last expansion. Was hoping we’d have gotten something original for it.Quote:
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I think people have been patient for pretty long now tbh. They've waited 6-7 months for this expansion. We'll see if the other gear is any better but even the current tome gear is just ripped from ff4, although i do agree the brd set looks amazing. Sadly they picked a female set to give to healers and casters so...rip males.Quote:
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01-04-2022, 11:43 PMKizuyaKatogami
Sigh, and now the new crafted gear is reused as well :/ At least it’s dyable i suppose.
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01-05-2022, 02:10 AMFrogDog
This is getting ridiculous.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...20/unknown.png
It was dyable when it was the pvp set too.Quote:
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01-05-2022, 02:23 AMeaudaemon
Wow give the devs a break, they have to deal with server congestion, getting patches out in time making and developing a content, keeping the game balanced while being in a tight budget, and your problem is reused assets?
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01-05-2022, 02:32 AMRansu
People who complain about gear designs being reused are the same people that would instantly glamour over a unique looking set anyways.
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01-05-2022, 02:43 AMEmpyreanHelios
I was shocked by the amount of sets that were being reused (Shire gear being reused recently in patches and then reused again on expansion release).
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01-05-2022, 02:58 AMKizuyaKatogamiThe devs have had a break. They had 6-7 month delay for this. Yet we still had a mass of reused gear and even lost out on a gear set for the 89 dungeon. All people have done is give the devs a break and what has it resulted in? Shoddier and less content. My problem is a constant downgrade in content while the game continues to pull in more money and players.Quote:
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01-05-2022, 03:01 AMKaitoAsaha
I'm moreso worried about all that players are willing to defend. We continue to shrug and give these things a pass. At this rate we'll come to accept all future dungeon gear being reskins, tome gear being the only new designs, or naturally embracing the fact that we have higher level dungeons giving just accessories. I really don't want this to be what's in store for us, especially when the devs can't do so much as shuffle the reused gear around onto different jobs. I loved the pvp dragon themed set for MNK/SAM and always wanted it for DRG. Seeing it on a caster or healer would've been wild and a break from all the robes.. So much for that.
I could be remembering it wrong but was this not how DLC started? Testing the waters to see what they could get away with and see who would buy into it until it became a regular thing? My thoughts keep going towards us heading to this, but atm I do feel that it's too early to tell and this could just be a coincidence. -
01-05-2022, 03:08 AMFrogDogThis would fall within "making and developing content", no? Maybe they could make us some new armor sets?Quote:
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01-05-2022, 05:27 AMPibz
I'm glad some of you realize SE has been pushing the community to see how far it'll take being milked for money. I dont know why the only thing that crosses the line is not having as many armor looks, but I'll take it.
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01-05-2022, 06:03 AMEscalon
Outside of the Story (and I have more than enough gripes with the story and pacing) the whole Endwalker experience felt really average at best.
I should add, I speak from my personal view.
Dungeons were probably the worst case of corridor dungeons I've have seen from FF14 to this date
Bosses felt lackluster and under utilized. (Magus sisters and Anima especially, seeing them just broke my heart, 2 of the most famous bosses and they end up as fodder for the first 2 dungeons)
The music score was also all over the place. (I dont recall what cutscene had it, but there were 4 music transitions in 1)
The gear is just a joke, most of it is just a recolor of older gear. (If you gonna do that, just change it up a bit, add some pieces to it so it looks the same but different)
The new zones are bellow average, nothing interesting going on in them, its just again a vast field with few points of interest dotted over the place. (One slight exception is Elpis, it has some detail and elevation to it, and its not as bad, but its still pales compared to anything StB, HW, ARR brought)
We get again 2 new "cities" and calling them cities is really a stretch, more like small towns.
Radz-at-han should be this massive city by the artworks and pretty much the center of commerce, what did we get ? couple of corridors, 1 plaza and 1 field-ish place before the palace.
Sharlayan is even worse, it should be this city with thousands of people in it, heck their "outpost" was bigger than the main city we got in EW, where do people live ? are you saying to me, that this whole city lives in 6-8 homes in Labyrintos and 6 houses in the "City" proper ?
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01-05-2022, 06:04 AMRansuThis has literally been a thing since the early day's of MMO's where gear outside of end game was mostly recolors with end game being the more unique designs for raiders to wear and show off. I treat dungeon gear the same way I have treated it in every MMO for over a decade. Its gear that I will replace in 3 or 4 levels and care nothing about. On rare occasions there's a chest piece that looks cool, but I never end up keeping it and with the advent of glamours/outfitters/whatever system said MMO uses to replace the look of an outfit, having "unique" gear from leveling dungeons that will most likely get glamoured over from people that stick to specific looks seems like a waste of time and resources for the small number that would legitimately care.Quote:
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01-05-2022, 06:14 AMKizuyaKatogamiBut it’s not even just reskins. They can’t even make the gear dyable. We are in the 4th expansion and we are still getting reused gear that isn’t even role swapped/dyable. How much time and resources does that take? We literally lost a gear set this expansion at the very least that should warrant all the other dungeon gear being dyable but it isn’t. Also it isn’t just dungeon gear mind you. The crafted battle gear, crafter and gatherers gear is also heavily reused.Quote:
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01-05-2022, 06:24 AMMelorie
I agree. The lack of gear diversity was baffling this time around.
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01-05-2022, 06:37 AMJirah
Guess which gear set they recycled this time for crafted, it’s PVP yet again
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01-05-2022, 06:40 AMJirahSince ARR and HW we’ve gotten:Quote:
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Less PvP gear
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01-05-2022, 06:49 AMKurokaExactly... if it were role swapped, sure, id be happy. But no lets bleed out pvp even more. Yes i realized it dyes differently but still.... how about a role swap? How bout... dunno the Sohm al gear? Or just "rotating" an existig set further... its sad.Quote:
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01-05-2022, 07:20 AMFhaerron
Small indie company, please understand.
Also Covid happened/happens, please understand. -
01-05-2022, 07:24 AMKaurhzOcean Fishing, Ishgard Restoration (included several sets of unique glamour alone), Dalriada, Castrum Lacus Litore, Delubrum (normal & savage). If you want to argue neither of these have the same replay value then sure, but to imply these resources haven't been poured elsewhere is just plain ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jirah
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01-05-2022, 07:26 AMEscalonWorst thing is, there are people who will defend this mediocrity exactly like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
I get it, Covid and restriction for sure played a part in a lot of things, but the whole experience in EW (If you have some standards that is and just dont blind fangirl/boy over things) is just a big fat "MAH' -
01-05-2022, 07:32 AMFhaerronQuote:
Originally Posted by Escalon
Sarcasm, please understand.