The cat's (or femhroth in this case) outta the bag

https://i.imgur.com/tTqtqkR.png

Bestial and cute. Fur, cat features. Normal feet.

Yes, she's modded, buts mostly textures, think the hair too. Yes, they have hair.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

What I find funny is that people say that about healer changes, tank changes and everything else changes till everything is finalised and then there is no turning back. This is a forum for feedback. If some people say they don't like the concept then that's their right to say.

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The thing is, even if the final, official look ends up being something completely different, it shows that they were considering (or are?) going for the "highlander Miqo'te" look, which is the root of the problem imo.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

That's the issue (imo), though. The females should look just as bestial as the males (meaning their faces and fur-skin), as Hrothgar are the furry/beast race. If they have a mostly human face and no fur, then how can they even be Hrothgar? It'd be more jarring than Au Ra's sexual dimorphism.

Players already have multiple options for human women (with animal ears/tails and horns if they please), but there isn't a bestial/furry woman yet. This is why the artbook has me concerned; that SE is going to go the usual beauty (95% human) and the beast (Hrothgar males) route as most MMO's/games tend to do.

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Exactly!

I would not complain if they look like the picture. I much rather they look as is I do not enjoy beastial races and I was looking forward to playing as one. Though if they looked like males I would be very disappointed cause to me they look ugly.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I would not complain if they look like the picture. I much rather they look as is I do not enjoy beastial races and I was looking forward to playing as one. Though if they looked like males I would be very disappointed cause to me they look ugly.

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Sorry Im a little confused here...You dont like Beastal Races, but you were looking foreword to Playing as one?

If Im getting you...you like Half Animal People? Remember we already have Miqote, Au-Ra and the Viera. See there are 3 options Right there that are Pretty Humans with some Animal Features. But we dont have a FullOn Beast Race. And the Point of their Creation was a New Diverse Option.
If they had Humanoid Faces, the Point would be gone.

And How dare you call them Ugly.....dont you bad talk the Pretty Cats :(

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Sorry Im a little confused here...You dont like Beastal Races, but you were looking foreword to Playing as one?

If Im getting you...you like Half Animal People? Remember we already have Miqote, Au-Ra and the Viera. See there are 3 options Right there that are Pretty Humans with some Animal Features. But we dont have a FullOn Beast Race. And the Point of their Creation was a New Diverse Option.
If they had Humanoid Faces, the Point would be gone.

And How dare you call them Ugly.....dont you bad talk the Pretty Cats :(

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They should be short.

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Originally Posted by Awha

They should be short.

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We are reserving that for the Ivalician Moogle Dream.
Dont waste it on the Lion Queens

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

We are reserving that for the Ivalician Moogle Dream.
Dont waste it on the Lion Queens

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Waste? It wouls be different but I would not call it a waste though. Smol Lion gals new future.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Waste? It wouls be different but I would not call it a waste though. Smol Lion gals new future.

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If it goes to the Hrothgar, then we'd have to wait longer for a new race that would have been better suited. Such as Ivalician Moogles.
Or say the No Mu, Namazu? Just there are better ideas and concepts then trying to make Hrothgar short for the lolz.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

If it goes to the Hrothgar, then we'd have to wait longer for a new race that would have been better suited. Such as Ivalician Moogles.
Or say the No Mu, Namazu? Just there are better ideas and concepts then trying to make Hrothgar short for the lolz.

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It is also possible that we may never get another small race, and small lion gals would be kinda cute, I think it would be an interesting take on a Hrothgar female.

Sure might be better options but no matter how unlikely a small female hrothgar (which is legit pretty much close to zero) the chances are still greater then the chance of them adding another race into the game.

So I will always advocate for a new smol race whenever I can even if I am more likely to win the lotto 46 times in a row while not even playing the lotto.

Would be the most jarring sexual dimorphism in the game (more so than Au Ra), especially if they decide to go the human face/body look for them (would they even be a Hrothgar at that point) ._.

It is just concept art ,some of the Viera concept art is nothing like what we have now.

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Originally Posted by Awha

It is also possible that we may never get another small race, and small lion gals would be kinda cute, I think it would be an interesting take on a Hrothgar female.

Sure might be better options but no matter how unlikely a small female hrothgar (which is legit pretty much close to zero) the chances are still greater then the chance of them adding another race into the game.

So I will always advocate for a new smol race whenever I can even if I am more likely to win the lotto 46 times in a row while not even playing the lotto.

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Big Burly Males and Females the height of my knees? Nah...hard pass. Be kinda weird.
Ill join you in the battle for a new smol race both Male and Female. Be more sensible imo. And they said "Likely the last race" so there is even a slight chance there could be a new race in the future. Ill reserve that chance for the conversation of a New Small Race. Ill be there with ya buddy.

Idk I meme aside I think it would be cute to have a fit build smol girl model added into the game. I do not personally think they have to exactly match oversall build in terms if similar overall build.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Idk I meme aside I think it would be cute to have a fit build smol girl model added into the game. I do not personally think they have to exactly match oversall build in terms if similar overall build.

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Sure, just would be better with a new or a different race altogether then the Hrothgar though.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I would not complain if they look like the picture. I much rather they look as is I do not enjoy beastial races and I was looking forward to playing as one. Though if they looked like males I would be very disappointed cause to me they look ugly.

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I agree with everything you said. If they look like the picture I’ll make one. If they are big furry women I’m not interested. As I said before these types barely get made or played so I hope they go with majority.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

As I said before these types barely get made or played so I hope they go with majority.

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So then why would SE make Hrothgar to begin with (Yoshi-P has already given an answer)? They're meant to be the furry/beast race o:

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Originally Posted by Nestama

So then why would SE make Hrothgar to begin with (Yoshi-P has already given an answer)? They're meant to be the furry/beast race o:

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They did make one,the males.They never said the females would be furry too. Au Ra is an example of males and females not being the same.

And worse off for it...

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

They did make one,the males.They never said the females would be furry too. Au Ra is an example of males and females not being the same.

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Yeah no, the difference between Au Ra males and females is their height. They're still both mostly human in appearance, both have horns, both have scales, both have tails and both have those special eyes going on for them.

A female Hrothgar having a mostly human appearance, but with cat ears and cat tail is basically making another version of Miqo'te (third sub-race). Miqo'te females (and in general) and Hrothgar males look nothing alike. They might share a similarity being their cat features (ears and tail), but Miqo'te do not have a feline face and cannot have fangs like Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I agree with everything you said. If they look like the picture I’ll make one. If they are big furry women I’m not interested. As I said before these types barely get made or played so I hope they go with majority.

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Females have a wide variety of attractive races already. This is most likely the last race SE are implementing in this game so it'd be nice if we at least had so much as an option to play a more beast-like, hairy female character. If they can accommodate both sides and make both beasty and attractive face options, that'd be amazing, we all win.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Sure, just would be better with a new or a different race altogether then the Hrothgar though.

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Sure that would be the ideal but I am just working with what we got. If I had to choose personally I rather short muscular kina build for female hrothgar then bank and hope we get another race added.

Though I get my vversion is not likely but I do still feel ur would be an interesting fit.

It's technically not the place for the topic, but for what it's worth, that new bunny beast tribe in EW could work as a smol furry race, considering they seem like reskinned Lalas the same way Hrothgar are reskinned Roes, and they're also pretty close to Ivalice moogles (from what google shows me) - just glue a little balloon on top of their head and voila

I will be waiting until we see official renders for them but I really hope that the one in the picture is not how it will be in the end. As someone playing an Au Ra, its already annoying that the Xaela females are so much different from their males. They could at least used the clans to make a difference here and even if that only came down to Xaelas being able to be bigger or having another set of emotes.

Hrothgar females should not be so much different from their males, that would be such a huge missed opportunity. We have small females, then a handful different version of cute/beautiful normal height females and two big female races. So if you want to play that you can already do it ingame. We, right now, have no way to play a beastly female.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

They did make one,the males.

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The Hrothgar are not a One Gendered Race. They are not exclusively Male like the Galka of XI
I know Im late replying to this, but I just wanted to non the less

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I will be waiting until we see official renders for them but I really hope that the one in the picture is not how it will be in the end. As someone playing an Au Ra, its already annoying that the Xaela females are so much different from their males. They could at least used the clans to make a difference here and even if that only came down to Xaelas being able to be bigger or having another set of emotes.

Hrothgar females should not be so much different from their males, that would be such a huge missed opportunity. We have small females, then a handful different version of cute/beautiful normal height females and two big female races. So if you want to play that you can already do it ingame. We, right now, have no way to play a beastly female.

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I don't want to bring up real world issues or sound like an extreme liberal, but it's really weird how [generally speaking, not just XIV] male characters can range from literally 2 ft tall potato shaped, to towering buff guys, to brick walls with sumo bellies, or even outright monsters, and nobody bats an eye, but molding a female character as anything remotely outside conventional human beauty ...or a child, is seen as a cardinal sin.

I mean have you seen FemRoe, they are not built conventionally. In fact, they are built like a refrigerator (no joke they are super rectangular). However, they aren't played often so SE is likely not to go that path again.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I mean have you seen FemRoe, they are not built conventionally. In fact, they are built like a refrigerator (no joke they are super rectangular). However, they aren't played often so SE is likely not to go that path again.

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They should.
If their designers put just a little more effort into making certain features more attractive, this "Refrigerator" can be just as great, good looking, and popular as the same tiered Easy-Mode "Conventionally Attractive" women out there. There are people out there that like Women who dont look like Kim Kardasian or Insert generic super sexy Model here. Women of all types and sizes can be beautiful and Popular, not just One-Type of Woman. The same can be done with Characters in gaming. But just like these women who have to put in the effort to look good...designers need to put in the effort to make the character look good.

I might be the Minority here...but Dulia-Chai is an example of a Female Character that is designed Heavy, but she is still an attractive character.
Merlwyb is an attractive FemRoe built like a "Refrigerator"
Designs like these are not that hard to make. It just requires somebody who can put in some effort and not get scared and just fall back on the easy-traditional beauty standard that people are pressured into thinking is the only RIGHT way to look.

Guess my dream for some thick girls crashed and burned.

I kinda hope they make a beastly yet distinctly female race. I really don't want a petite thing nor do I want a male bodybuilder with a female head.

But part of me feels we are just going to get a Female Roegadyn + Miqote hybrid. And I hope it's better then that.

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Originally Posted by FawkesWyznfarr

Lore book dropped. Concept art for Gunnhildr was included.
https://a.pomf.cat/tkujsj.jpg
Please don't tell me this is your cheeky way of teasing how female hrothgars will look. Nearly all the races ingame are the same design wise, why start here? It's just a miqote with blue skin and a cleft lip. Please don't fall for the whole "beauty and the beast" design. I get that maybe you're trying to get around the current malehroth hat/hair situation but sacrificing the design consistency of a race is only going to come back to bite you in your rear.
If a bunch of raiders using banned addons to ruin Astrologian then maybe there'll be enough support here to ensure femhroths are consistent with the overall hrothgar design.

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Another reskin of a previous model. Yay!

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

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Why do you have to talk like this?
You're making it sound so negative when you say things like '' generic super sexy model '' I've never understood why people can't talk about this without sounding like they're being so negative about it.
Or that at least seems to be the intent especially in the context of the rest of what you're saying.
Like I dunno why you think that designing '' conventionally attractive '' women is '' easy-mode '' either while what you like is supposedly higher effort, I dunno where you get that from and it seems like it's meant to make what you want sound '' superior ''.
It's a really weird stereotype people have of character design where making '' conventionally attractive women '' is just done out of '' laziness '' and that it's supposedly easy and low effort.
It's not.
In many cases especially for male artists it can actually be harder because you're actually designing things that you don't know.
Things like makeup alone is actually pretty hard to do well in art especially if you don't use it yourself same with hairstyles and softer faces and less sharp lines etc.

The same thing goes for the refrigerator thing, I just don't understand why people can't talk about this without framing things like this.
It always feels like people just have the one thing they want and then they treat everything else like '' lesser ''.
Like as much as you want to talk about pressuring it sounds like you want to do some pressuring here yourself.

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On another note, I ordered the other available artbooks a while ago and did indeed see more art of the Au'Ra and as I suspected the one image people kept spreading around was just that one image amongst others.
And the others are far more similar to what we actually got.
Altho I don't believe that these are the only ones either just the ones that made it into the artbook but still.
If you watch shortly before too where you can see the male Au'Ra there's even concepts of them looking like straight up Lizards like in The Elder Scrolls.

@4:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwGhYDbIRc

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Why do you have to talk like this?
You're making it sound so negative when you say things like '' generic super sexy model '' I've never understood why people can't talk about this without sounding like they're being so negative about it.
Or that at least seems to be the intent especially in the context of the rest of what you're saying.
Like I dunno why you think that designing '' conventionally attractive '' women is '' easy-mode '' either while what you like is supposedly higher effort, I dunno where you get that from and it seems like it's meant to make what you want sound '' superior ''.
It's a really weird stereotype people have of character design where making '' conventionally attractive women '' is just done out of '' laziness '' and that it's supposedly easy and low effort.
It's not.
In many cases especially for male artists it can actually be harder because you're actually designing things that you don't know.
Things like makeup alone is actually pretty hard to do well in art especially if you don't use it yourself same with hairstyles and softer faces and less sharp lines etc.

The same thing goes for the refrigerator thing, I just don't understand why people can't talk about this without framing things like this.
It always feels like people just have the one thing they want and then they treat everything else like '' lesser ''.
Like as much as you want to talk about pressuring it sounds like you want to do some pressuring here yourself.

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Same could be said about the people who put down the FemRoes and call them ugly, say they are built like refrigerators, call them unattractive, say that no woman looks like this, basically saying there is only one right way for a woman to look. That to, is negative. And I am STRONGLY, against this mindset in Design, and in Social Structure.

I call it easymode because if you look at most Female character designs, they are almost always designed to be slim, and sometimes look like hot super models. When there could be varying designs, almost always, female characters are made to be slim and "Conventionally attractive". Now, Im not knocking it exactly, but my main point is everybody does this, and falls back on it, and very often dont try new things; new bodytypes. Yes I do think its a degree of laziness, but No I dont think ANY bodytype is superior...thats not my point at all.
There have been many times people have said "The FemHroths should follow suit to the MaleHroths and have the Roe body." While people counter with its unattractive and not popular. Even if this is true to some extent, why shouldn't it be given a chance? Why does it just have to be the same bodytype we already have across 90% of the Female options currently in the game?

Sorry to ignore your 2nd part, but it doesn't relate to my argument/points. Or I guess the conversation.

They're not Femhroths, they're Hrothgals

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Same could be said about the people who put down the FemRoes and call them ugly, say they are built like refrigerators, call them unattractive, say that no woman looks like this, basically saying there is only one right way for a woman to look. That to, is negative. And I am STRONGLY, against this mindset in Design, and in Social Structure.

I call it easymode because if you look at most Female character designs, they are almost always designed to be slim, and sometimes look like hot super models. When there could be varying designs, almost always, female characters are made to be slim and "Conventionally attractive". Now, Im not knocking it exactly, but my main point is everybody does this, and falls back on it, and very often dont try new things; new bodytypes. Yes I do think its a degree of laziness, but No I dont think ANY bodytype is superior...thats not my point at all.
There have been many times people have said "The FemHroths should follow suit to the MaleHroths and have the Roe body." While people counter with its unattractive and not popular. Even if this is true to some extent, why shouldn't it be given a chance? Why does it just have to be the same bodytype we already have across 90% of the Female options currently in the game?

Sorry to ignore your 2nd part, but it doesn't relate to my argument/points. Or I guess the conversation.

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Not that I disagree I would like to see different body types across the board. A chubby male and female body type would be fun to play as. Miss my ToR body types. That said I do get where people come from why put in the resources for coustlmzation options that do not appeal to a larger portion of the player base.

This is part of the reason I will be shocked if fem do not look far less beastly then their male counter parts. If they do I will be pleasantly surprised.

I think the art looks good. I am willing to pay SE for a conventionally attractive female Hrothgar that doesn't look like a she-hulk but I will not spend money on the fantasia and potential boost(s) for such an alt if it looks bad. Combine that with hairstyles locked to their faces and you have the perfect recipe for venture that won't make back its development costs. The FFXIV playerbase largely does not gravitate towards huge hulking races. For all the "love" femroe get they are still extraordinarily rare to see in game.

When I think of what a female lioness race should be like, I picture something more along the lines of the artwork which gives could work just as easily for a huntress as well as queen. I do not picture female tauren FFXIV edition or Abby from the last of us part 2. I don't particularly care either for the "diversity" argument because all the "diversity" in the world isn't going to automatically sell fantasias.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

They're not Femhroths, they're Hrothgals

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No, they're Hrothgar women.

How about Hrothgaress

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Same could be said about the people who put down the FemRoes and call them ugly, say they are built like refrigerators, call them unattractive, say that no woman looks like this, basically saying there is only one right way for a woman to look. That to, is negative. And I am STRONGLY, against this mindset in Design, and in Social Structure.

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Preach

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Females have a wide variety of attractive races already. This is most likely the last race SE are implementing in this game so it'd be nice if we at least had so much as an option to play a more beast-like, hairy female character. If they can accommodate both sides and make both beasty and attractive face options, that'd be amazing, we all win.

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If it's the last race they need to go all out and not cop out by playing it safe. But I think they will do that sadly. The demon concept for Au Ra was so good but they went with the much safer lizard hyur option.

I really hope they can accentuate the females by giving them feral lion/cat features such as claws and fangs. I still think DC Comics Cheetah and OG Thundercats's Cheetara is a good starting point.

The genderbent Kimahri Ronso fanart showing what a attractive Ronso female could look like has been a favorite of mine especially since the female Ronso in FFX are so ugly to look at.

But judging how they handled the claws on the male Hrothgar I don't have high hopes for a "beast" race.

I think Femroes are sexy as hell with their dimensions. It took me a bit to adjust to the flat nose top, but once I did...mmm mmm good. With that said, I would very much prefer that Hrothgals not be Femroes with cat ears; we've got Femroes already. The fully-furred Hrothguys deserve fully-furred Hrothgals and I think the player base deserves the option as well.