Pld buff or War nerf in 1.22?

Looks like rien posted a message from Yoshi-p that they are gonna do job balance in next sub patch.

Patch 1.22 updating and buffing Block

Paladin buff it is - underwhelming but still pleasant to hear.

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

Patch 1.22 updating and buffing Block

Paladin buff it is - underwhelming but still pleasant to hear.

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Aye it is but...

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[dev1369] Adjustments have been made to the manner in which damage reduction from shields is calculated.
With this, it is now easier for blocks to take effect when fighting enemies of a level higher than your own.

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... this is a little misleading. Does it mean we got both a damage reduction recalculation AND increased block rate on top of it, or did we just get the block rate increase to help our overall damage reduction.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

Aye it is but...



... this is a little misleading. Does it mean we got both a damage reduction recalculation AND increased block rate on top of it, or did we just got the block rate increase to help our overall damage reduction.

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Blocks will be more effective and the Block Rate will be higher against higher level enemies than it is now.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Yes, let's only focus on the base damage and ingore the delay, weaponskills, all other class/job abilities and the fact that a tanking War is not able to fully gear towards damage dealing, because he's in tanking gear.

Grats Pld btw on the block increase towards higher level mobs.

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This is why I said, "POTENTIAL" because well a WAR geared to DD out parses the other DDs, I think I mentioned that part tho, if a PLD were a functional tank and a WAR MNK and DRG went nuts, the WAR would have numbers that more than rivaled the other 2. Again though because no one gears WAR for DDing and none of the truly punishing combos that WAR can perform get utilized yeah they're DPS is gimped.
Do the math run the numbers parse it out, when a WAR is geared for DDing and DDing they win. When they tank they win. No one can argue those points, it's like saying 1+1 == 14.

On the update though, hey maybe, depending on how large of a change it is PLD might be able to crawl up out of the hole it's been in. I'm hoping that blocked dmg is now 50%+ with activiation being substantially increased, I'd like to get PLD finished so's I can tank Garuda a time or 5 this weekend. ... And not be garbage while doing it ^^

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

This is why I said, "POTENTIAL" because well a WAR geared to DD out parses the other DDs, I think I mentioned that part tho, if a PLD were a functional tank and a WAR MNK and DRG went nuts, the WAR would have numbers that more than rivaled the other 2. Again though because no one gears WAR for DDing and none of the truly punishing combos that WAR can perform get utilized yeah they're DPS is gimped.

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Your point is very true... but one minor correction, people do gear WAR for DPS and use all of its combos... I do on Myrmidon Princess and you're right... it OWNS

Sometimes I even gear it for DPS while main tanking Morbol (Where hate is a much bigger issue than the need for defense or HP), although in that case I don't get to use all of it's awesome combos

In fact... From what I've found... WAR is the EASIEST class to get 350 STR and 310 VIT on (VIT being the secondary damage stat)... with room to spare for ACC and ATK accessories
The only thing limiting a DPS warrior is enmity reduction abilities.. which I guess is good... or else WAR would be way too OP...
If you are going DPS on WAR, just don't forget your Nerve Drops

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

This is why I said, "POTENTIAL" because well a WAR geared to DD out parses the other DDs, I think I mentioned that part tho, if a PLD were a functional tank and a WAR MNK and DRG went nuts, the WAR would have numbers that more than rivaled the other 2. Again though because no one gears WAR for DDing and none of the truly punishing combos that WAR can perform get utilized yeah they're DPS is gimped.
Do the math run the numbers parse it out, when a WAR is geared for DDing and DDing they win. When they tank they win. No one can argue those points, it's like saying 1+1 == 14.

On the update though, hey maybe, depending on how large of a change it is PLD might be able to crawl up out of the hole it's been in. I'm hoping that blocked dmg is now 50%+ with activiation being substantially increased, I'd like to get PLD finished so's I can tank Garuda a time or 5 this weekend. ... And not be garbage while doing it ^^

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But the point is that people are argueing that WAR does damage equal to real DD and tank at the same time, which is not true.

And a geared WAR for dd still doesn't out parse the other dd, go parse that out yourself, I did.

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Originally Posted by Roj

Dear SE, Shield, the clue is in the name!

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Indeed....

called it. :P

mrd/war gets a nerf and gladiator/pld gets a buff

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Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida
プロデューサ/ディレクタの吉田です。
Producer/Director Yoshida here,

パッチ1.22リリース目前ではありますが、パッチ1.22bでジョブ/クラスバランスの調整を行いますので、
その方針を下記に記載させて頂きます。
We are right behind 1.22 release but we are going to make adjustments for job/class balance in patch 1.22b so going to post that below.

複数のジョブ/クラス間バランスとモンスター/バトルコンテンツとの兼ね合いで、
一部効果については、一般的に言う「弱体」に当る修正も存在します。申し訳ございません。
For reasons of balancing between job/class and monster/battle content some effects will have changes where generally called "weakened(nerfed)". Sorry about this.

■戦士&斧術士の調整■
Adjustments to MRD/WAR

「できる限りの下方修正は行わない」という方針で、これまで調整を実施/検討してきましたが、
戦士に関しては「敵視が安定し、広範囲に高いダメージが出せ、防御力が高い」と、
あまりにも高性能化してしまったため、一部下方修正が発生します。
この点については、本当に申し訳ありません。
The direction is to "try as much as possible to not make downgrade changes" and we have been looking/making adjustments but for Warrior the hate is optimal, at same time can deal high damage and has high defense, it became too strong so parts of it will be down graded. For this one I am really sorry.

性能が高すぎる「スチールサイクロン」の性能調整が行われます。
また「バーサク」の効果上昇と「ワールウィンド」の攻撃力を強化し、
引き換えに「コルーション」の効果が調整されます。
"Steel Cyclone" will get adjustments since it is current too efficient.
Also we will increase effect of Berserk and increase the attack in Whirlwind
and adjust Collusion's effect.

■ナイト&剣術士■
Paladin and Gladiator

まずダメージの底上げを行うため
「ゴアブレード」「ライオットソード」「レイジオブハルオーネ」は、強化される予定です。
また、剣術士からナイトへジョブチェンジした際の最大HP減少特徴を無くし、
結果的に最大HPが増える調整がなされ、加えて、盾ガードの強化を行う予定です。
これ以外にも調整の過程で必要と判断されれば、ステータス/敵視関連にも、
調整が入る可能性があります。
To increase the damage we are planning to upgrade "Goring Blade" "Riot Blade" "Rage of Halone". Also when changing from gladiator to Paladin to make where you wont lose the maximum HP and instead increase the maximum HP, at same time increase the shield guard. Aside from this if we decide more adjustments are required we may adjust the status/enmity related stats also.

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thanks Reinheart
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post661191

Looks like they went the war nerf, buff pld route.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

called it. :P

mrd/war gets a nerf and gladiator/pld gets a buff

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Yep... you called it, sport.....

Just joking, but yea, I think we all saw this coming

WAR's tanky DPS is getting nerfed and pure DPS is getting buffed. I think I would call WAR getting balanced rather than nerfed :p

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Your point is very true... but one minor correction, people do gear WAR for DPS and use all of its combos... I do on Myrmidon Princess and you're right... it OWNS

Sometimes I even gear it for DPS while main tanking Morbol (Where hate is a much bigger issue than the need for defense or HP), although in that case I don't get to use all of it's awesome combos

In fact... From what I've found... WAR is the EASIEST class to get 350 STR and 310 VIT on (VIT being the secondary damage stat)... with room to spare for ACC and ATK accessories
The only thing limiting a DPS warrior is enmity reduction abilities.. which I guess is good... or else WAR would be way too OP...
If you are going DPS on WAR, just don't forget your Nerve Drops

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Read the above.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

But the point is that people are argueing that WAR does damage equal to real DD and tank at the same time, which is not true.

And a geared WAR for dd still doesn't out parse the other dd, go parse that out yourself, I did.

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I think it was more of a WAR out DDs PLD by such a huge amnt that pld is useless.

Ok maybe it doesn't out parse, it's not worth arguing about since my point was:
It's OP when tanking. The math behind it all screams that a DD build WAR should out DD MNK and DRG, but again, until my WAR is done I won't dive into what really happens, all I have to go on is other ppls numbers and/or the "best guess" formulas for figuring out dmg.

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

WAR's tanky DPS is getting nerfed and pure DPS is getting buffed. I think I would call WAR getting balanced rather than nerfed :p

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This I'd call a good thing, give pld the boost it needs to match a war tanking but let war choose to DD when they aren't needed to tank. Versatility is good, now to get surges fixed, and then dLvl.

patch 1.23 war buff pld nerf? Or maybe they will finally find a balance /crossfingers ;o

From Rein's translation, I would say everything that is happening is fair.

Sure, WAR is losing some of it's tanking efficiency. But it's being adjusted so it's even better at DD.

PLD is getting huge changes like increased max HP, improvements to it's weaponskills and possible stat changes.

I think both sides win in this case.

I hope the combo action on "Riot Blade" gets changed to the front or something, cause its pretty useless since we can't hit mobs in the back. You can try to run though the mob but that can get other people hit and not usually worth doing.

LOLs, I think its great how everyone think they have the answers to the "problem" meanwhile the "problem" is already fixed.... I could put up yet another wall of text with parses and videos and images to prove everything I post, but 99% of the people posting here have not truly tried tanking to its full potential, BOTH jobs. soo 50% of the posts are pure idiocracy from refuseing to learn or know anything about what they are saying and the other 50% is from pure biast , or simply not wanting to see raw facts as they are. Fact is , both have good qualities as tanks, speed runs make WAR chosen more often , not becuase "it dose everything better" but because its easier to use. spam attack and instant buffs and your golden, PLD take some actuall skill to learn to play and do it well, but if done well enough offers all the same things war dose but with a different delivery. Both viable tanks just diffrent in tank style. Either way it dosent matter, SE has fixed anything there was wrong with tanking already , most of you are just to love drunk with war or unexperianced to see it.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

LOLs, I think its great how everyone think they have the answers to the "problem" meanwhile the "problem" is already fixed.... I could put up yet another wall of text with parses and videos and images to prove everything I post, but 99% of the people posting here have not truly tried tanking to its full potential, BOTH jobs. soo 50% of the posts are pure idiocracy from refuseing to learn or know anything about what they are saying and the other 50% is from pure biast , or simply not wanting to see raw facts as they are. Fact is , both have good qualities as tanks, speed runs make WAR chosen more often , not becuase "it dose everything better" but because its easier to use. spam attack and instant buffs and your golden, PLD take some actuall skill to learn to play and do it well, but if done well enough offers all the same things war dose but with a different delivery. Both viable tanks just diffrent in tank style. Either way it dosent matter, SE has fixed anything there was wrong with tanking already , most of you are just to love drunk with war or unexperianced to see it.

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I'm on sarge i would love to see you try to keep hate off my thm i would not nuke for 2 mins and steal hate from gla 100% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

I could put up yet another wall of text

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Oh but you did.

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Also, I see you still have yet to successfully complete Miser or Chimera.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

LOLs, I think its great how everyone think they have the answers to the "problem" meanwhile the "problem" is already fixed.... I could put up yet another wall of text with parses and videos and images to prove everything I post, but 99% of the people posting here have not truly tried tanking to its full potential, BOTH jobs. soo 50% of the posts are pure idiocracy from refuseing to learn or know anything about what they are saying and the other 50% is from pure biast , or simply not wanting to see raw facts as they are. Fact is , both have good qualities as tanks, speed runs make WAR chosen more often , not becuase "it dose everything better" but because its easier to use. spam attack and instant buffs and your golden, PLD take some actuall skill to learn to play and do it well, but if done well enough offers all the same things war dose but with a different delivery. Both viable tanks just diffrent in tank style. Either way it dosent matter, SE has fixed anything there was wrong with tanking already , most of you are just to love drunk with war or unexperianced to see it.

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No amount of skill on PLD can make up for war's high trash mob dps in dungeons. PLD has nothing that can compare to Steel Cyclone.

A good example of a great use of WAR as main dps is moogle. The LS did a run 5 WAR 2 healer and 1 bard, easiest we have ever done moogle. HOWEVER I was the main tank , kiting Moogle king, and I know for a FACT , if I had been on my PLD I would not have needed ANY WHM support at all, but because the party itself needs both healers at times you still cant afford to lose the second whm soo the only way to fit in the PLD and lose about half the DPS from the one WAR (myself) in order to make the last half, the hardest half, much easier, is to squeeze more DPS out of the WAR, add that to the DEF down combo from PLD and Its a realy fast moogle fight. Reason why we went with WAR as main dps should be obvious. Although it dose not do as high as BRD or BLM , it has no issues with MP obviiously, very little issues with TP and positioning for combos and most importantly it has much higher survivability then any of the other DPS jobs.

Greetings,

Yoshida posted a bit about the plans to class/job adjustments that are currently planned to take place in patch 1.22b, and I wanted to share them with you here.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hello! Producer/Director Yoshida here.

Even though we just released patch 1.22, I’d like to talk a bit about the plans for job/class balance adjustments that are to take place in patch 1.22b. With multiple jobs/classes and well as monsters and battle content in mind, some effects will need to be, as they say, "nerfed." I apologize.

Warrior and Marauder Adjustments
Our stance is to refrain from nerfing things as much as possible and we have performed and looked into adjustments up till now, but we have boosted warrior’s specs to a very high level. They’re at the point where they have stable enmity, high-damaging AoE attacks, and high defense, which is calling for a slight nerf. We apologize for this.

We will be making adjustments to Steel Cyclone, whose stats are currently too high.
Also, we will be enhancing the effect of Berserk and the attack power of Whirlwind in exchange for adjustments to the effect of Collusion.

Paladin and Gladiator
First, in order to raise the amount of damage they can output, we will be enhancing Goring Blade, Riot Blade, and Rage of Halone. Also, we will be getting rid of the max HP reduction when changing from gladiator to paladin and as a result will be making adjustments to increase their max HP. Additionally, we will be enhancing shield blocks. Besides these, if determined necessary for adjusting, there is the possibility that we adjust stats as well as enmity.

Dragoon and Lancer
We are currently testing adjustments for dragoon and lancer so that they are able to elicit higher performance than now for long primal battles, raid bosses, and other battles. Basically we will be increasing the amount of damage done for critical hits and making adjustments so that the job becomes closer to our planned image of the job.

*For specific adjustment information, once adjustments are finalized, we will be announcing the full details before the patch.

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MAX HP INCREASE /breakdance

Also, I'm interested to see how the weaponskills will be adjusted.

Dragoon changes are a nice touch.

It's unfortunate none of this made it in time for Garuda.

Thanks Bay i hope the dmg reduction from shield is not a lousy 5% anymore if it was even that lol.

Edit: I hope for the love of god they remove the back position needed for the riot blade combo....

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

soo 50% of the posts are pure idiocracy from refuseing to learn or know anything about what they are saying and the other 50% is from pure biast

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Not sure if troll....

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Besides these, if determined necessary for adjusting, there is the possibility that we adjust stats as well as enmity.

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Good, because actually getting an enemy to pay attention to me has been the biggest challenge as a PLD.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Dragoon changes are a nice touch.

It's unfortunate none of this made it in time for Garuda.

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She should still be around after the patches -_-

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Oh but you did.

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Also, I see you still have yet to successfully complete Miser or Chimera.

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its on my list of things to do, I run a " leave no man behind' LS dont always have time to spend hours on one dungeon , espesscially when I have members who still need some Ifrits weapons and such.

Yay there leaving Monk alone

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Originally Posted by Sophia

Yay there leaving Monk alone

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they prolly woulda left WAR alone if people could learn to NOT bitch about PLD, I was happy whith where everthing was, PLD was great for saftey runs and WAR was great for crowd controll / speed runs. How this adjustment will effect the status quoe is yet to be seen but lets hope all those love drunk WARs out there kept their REAL tanking gear, you know the stuff with DEF/VIT/and HP....

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Originally Posted by Sophia

Yay there leaving Monk alone

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I think all are fine except war and pld i still think thm need better mp heal or take the mp cap restored off parsimony.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

they prolly woulda left WAR alone if people could learn to NOT bitch about PLD, I was happy whith where everthing was, PLD was great for saftey runs and WAR was great for crowd controll / speed runs. How this adjustment will effect the status quoe is yet to be seen but lets hope all those love drunk WARs out there kept their REAL tanking gear, you know the stuff with DEF/VIT/and HP....

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Lol Ace your on sarge like me let me join your iffy pt and see how long you can hold hate please?

Pretty much if a damage dealer on Ifrit wants to pull hate off the PLD they will its not that hard. They can not go all out and very much have to hold back with a PLD. With a War tanking Ifrit it is much harder for them to pull hate and less of an issue overall.

Like the Lancer/Dragoon appitizer. Always been a fan of Crit-sauce and kinda glad my favorite class will be lathered in some of it.

Did that comment turn you on, make you hungry or both? :P

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Originally Posted by Firon

Lol Ace your on sarge like me let me join your iffy pt and see how long you can hold hate please?

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I have no problem with that, may be a bit harder tho if your comming in tipical war tank gear, they are increasing the amount of enmity to materia by almost 3 fold , and I only run with +8 enmity on the belt, and all my blm/thms go all out, soo long as they pop freeze when its ready and chamelion, we down ifrit in roughly 7-8 mins everytime. with new buffs to enmity materia, all I gota do is double stack on a belt and Im golden, keeping in mind they increased -enmity materia stats too. this will increase the hate gap significantly.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

I have no problem with that, may be a bit harder tho if your comming in tipical war tank gear, they are increasing the amount of enmity to materia by almost 3 fold , and I only run with +8 enmity on the belt, and all my blm/thms go all out, soo long as they pop freeze when its ready and chamelion, we down ifrit in roughly 7-8 mins everytime. with new buffs to enmity materia, all I gota do is double stack on a belt and Im golden, keeping in mind they increased -enmity materia stats too. this will increase the hate gap significantly.

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Trust me wars can hardly hold hate on me on ifrit. I average about 16k on him on thm and about 12k on mnk i'm sure I'll be in red the whole fight only casting every 30 secs.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Pretty much if a damage dealer on Ifrit wants to pull hate off the PLD they will its not that hard. They can not go all out and very much have to hold back with a PLD. With a War tanking Ifrit it is much harder for them to pull hate and less of an issue overall.

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that makes no sense, between af and available gear, pld should have no equal in enmity gain.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Trust me wars can hardly hold hate on me on ifrit.

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You proud?

or...

Can any decent THM/BLM pull hate off of ANY tank on Ifrit if they choose to?

I just realized he says 1.22b... not 1.22a... abit disappointing imo. Would like to play my PLD :( But I guess it is nice to know that its coming.