Nier raid 2b outfit rant.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd777

Easy to say for someone who got the outfit. Bet you got it on your first run

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yeah and i did
but i also had zero interest in the gear
but ngl i look pretty slick in it

but it doesnt change the fact that this has been a thing for ages and NOW when its something desirable to you decide to speak up and most likely had shown no interest in those who struggle to get Orch scrolls,minion etc etc from raids

wait, so people who already HAVE the outfit can roll on the coffer again!? how stupid is that? they should have locked it like they do with the minions.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd777

Even if there is 3 chest looting against 23 people is still a low chance. And with a low chance like this you can run it 100 times and still not get it. At least in extreme trials you know at 99 runs you can get your mounts. Here it's not even the case.

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That's assuming all the people running it are going to roll for the coffers. I'm still running it for minions & music rolls myself and don't see myself stopping anytime soon as I find it a fun raid. Once people get the item, it's not like they will continue rolling for it.

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Originally Posted by YatoShishi

wait, so people who already HAVE the outfit can roll on the coffer again!? how stupid is that? they should have locked it like they do with the minions.

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It's because you can throw the clothes away once you unlock the coffer while an unlocked minion is there forever. In case someone throws the top away mistaking it for something else they can still run it again. I suppose they could check if you have all of the coffer items in your inventory/wardrobe. Or limit the coffer roll to 1 a week.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

It's because you can throw the clothes away once you unlock the coffer while an unlocked minion is there forever. In case someone throws the top away mistaking it for something else they can still run it again. I suppose they could check if you have all of the coffer items in your inventory/wardrobe. Or limit the coffer roll to 1 a week.

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they should just make it like with events, if you throw smth out for some reason you can regain it with the calamity salvager.

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Originally Posted by YatoShishi

they should just make it like with events, if you throw smth out for some reason you can regain it with the calamity salvager.

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It's pretty much a non-issue though, in a couple of weeks pretty much everyone will have the outfits already. So it won't be like the first week of release where you have to compete against the majority of the group. If anything it helps by making people run the dungeon more so it doesn't become dead within the first month.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah and i did
but i also had zero interest in the gear
but ngl i look pretty slick in it

but it doesnt change the fact that this has been a thing for ages and NOW when its something desirable to you decide to speak up and most likely had shown no interest in those who struggle to get Orch scrolls,minion etc etc from raids

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I know the feeling for minions. Orch scrolls you can buy it on mb so I don't see why some would complain it, about it.
And it's not because I did not speak before that I was not fed up for thoses who struggled in raid loot (50 runs in WoD in AAR to get the tank chest btw). It's just the last drop in the bucket with this new 24 raid and it pisses me off.
They still do the same 24 man looting experience meanwhile they improve the looting in 8 man raid, they could have been improved both in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

It's because you can throw the clothes away once you unlock the coffer while an unlocked minion is there forever.

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Using the coffer should give you an achievement, that could be :

• Checked for roll rights
• Used as a trigger to buy the outfit from the Calamity Salvager

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Originally Posted by Ftail

It's pretty much a non-issue though, in a couple of weeks pretty much everyone will have the outfits already.

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Saddly, trolls won't care about that, especially now that these topics have shown how much people want it and are bitter about it.

It hurts, right before the servers went down I rolled 97 and lost. Done it about 16 times, I think I am too obsessive, because I just want to get back on to farm the raid some more. Plus, I have only seen the second pet once, lost an 86 roll for that. I wonder how rare the second pet's drop rate is? I need to farm PvP too, for the new outfits. Good thing I beat Outer Worlds, Red Dead 2 comes out on Monday.

I hope I can get it when the servers go back up..

I was playing a second playthrough of Outer Worlds, but couldn't stop farming even when I never planned to keep going. Always just, "I'll get it on this next one". I am kind of bummed out I lost the 97 roll too, that run was a mess. I was the only one alive the whole time, I had to hardcast raise constantly. Literally heal LB3 and raising, whole run. It was crazy, plus I only got one commendation.

A 1/8 chance is totally reasonable and it drops in one of the most popular and fun pieces of content that exist in this game. Just play the game normally and you will get it.

This content is going to be the "to do" activity of the game for like what? 4 months. Maybe even more. There's plenty of time and eventually you'll get it if you want it. At least it's a guaranteed drop. This whole instant gratification mindset that a lot of people have is so self destructive.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

This content is going to be the "to do" activity of the game for like what? 4 months. Maybe even more. There's plenty of time and eventually you'll get it if you want it. At least it's a guaranteed drop. This whole instant gratification mindset that a lot of people have is so self destructive.

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This. patience is a virtue, people. It's been 1 day so far ... one day. Chill pills are free and on me.

I actually think this is an amazingly forgiving loot system.
1- No matter what 3 coffers will drop at the end for everyone to roll on. So everyone has 3 chances to get it. That's great.
2- As time goes on, more and more people are gonna run this who have no reason to roll on it cause they already have it. Like, the raid isn't designed to be ran once. Next week people who grinded for a gear drop will grind of another. I'm sure by the time the next raid rolls out anyone who wants it will prob already have it if they just run it a few times a week. At some point a good amount of people in the raid wont be rolling on it.

It's a well designed carrot at the end of a stick designed to give people a reason to re-run this raid even without being able to get more gear from it until reset.
If you want you can always attempt to organize a farm party with people who have the drop or wont roll on it cause, again, 3 coffers are there at the end no matter what.

The ONLY problem with this system is that once you get the gear you can still roll on the chest.

You know there will be trolls rolling on the chest even though they don't need it.

There's no need for the complicated maths people have been doing, or working out separate chances of getting the first one then the second then the third.

There are twenty-four people in the raid, and three of them will win a coffer.

Therefore you have a 3-in-24 or 1-in-8 chance of being one of those three people.

That's all you need to calculate.

After seeing a black mage who released during middle of last fight then still get the 2b coffer makes me lose faith in this game. If I didnt have a house I'd unsub.

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Originally Posted by Gojin

After seeing a black mage who released during middle of last fight then still get the 2b coffer makes me lose faith in this game. If I didnt have a house I'd unsub.

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What do you expect the game to do, weight rolls based on dps contributions or something?

All this rng rage....

Clearly none of the ones raging have sacrificed enough to the RNG gods of old.....

Summary of thread:
- I want stuff.
- Stuff is walled behind RNG
- Waaaaah!

So... this your first MMO?

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Summary of thread:
- I want stuff.
- Stuff is walled behind RNG
- Waaaaah!

So... this your first MMO?

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It actually is my first and only MMO xD
Just saying, I've not been complaining. Knew what to expect from previous alliance raids. Don't think I ever got the minion from Orbonne for example and I owe the latest event for me getting the dun scaith minion

Won this silly outfit with a 99 on my first run through of the place [thought it'd look cooler on my viera than it ends up being], still lost the minion that I actually want with a 3. RNG is RNG. Just means I have to keep running this thing till I get the thing I want, tis how it works and I'm fine with that.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

The ONLY problem with this system is that once you get the gear you can still roll on the chest.

You know there will be trolls rolling on the chest even though they don't need it.

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This is the only reasonable complaint I can get behind. They locked untradeable minion rolls after you already own it, surely they could do the same if you own the outfit.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Summary of thread:
- I want stuff.
- Stuff is walled behind RNG
- Waaaaah!

So... this your first MMO?

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Rng walls is the lazyiest way to padd content in a MMO imo.
They are just doing it to increase their stats of player playing time.

Well, I finally won it after about 20-21 runs. Won the outfit in probably the most cursed run ever, probably the worst I had ever been in, guess it was fate. 92 roll win.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Won this silly outfit with a 99 on my first run through of the place [thought it'd look cooler on my viera than it ends up being], still lost the minion that I actually want with a 3. RNG is RNG. Just means I have to keep running this thing till I get the thing I want, tis how it works and I'm fine with that.



This is the only reasonable complaint I can get behind. They locked untradeable minion rolls after you already own it, surely they could do the same if you own the outfit.

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Do you have both minions? Even after all my runs, I still only saw the second one once. Or rather one of the two?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Well, I finally won it after about 20-21 runs. Won the outfit in probably the most cursed run ever, probably the worst I had ever been in, guess it was fate. 92 roll win.

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Did it took you that long to get your weekly item, or did you simply spam as many runs as you can in two days even though you'll still run it again next week, and the week after, and after... ?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Well, I finally won it after about 20-21 runs. Won the outfit in probably the most cursed run ever, probably the worst I had ever been in, guess it was fate. 92 roll win.

Do you have both minions? Even after all my runs, I still only saw the second one once. Or rather one of the two?

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There are two minions!? Whelp guess I'm running this thing more than I thought! lol

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Did it took you that long to get your weekly item, or did you simply spam as many runs as you can in two days even though you'll still run it again next week, and the week after, and after... ?

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Oh, I don't care about the weekly item, that's just more glam for me. I do plan on running it again though for that glam, just not right now. I got caster butt armor on the 4th-6th run, somewhere in there. Maybe more or less. Can't remember. With the amount of tomes I have right now I could buy half a full set of 460 that can be upgraded, by the time I can get a couple more pieces of that glam gear. PvP is what I would rather farm at this point, grab some more glam from there. My dragoon, bard, white mage, gunbreaker, red mage, could ues another look to add.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

There are two minions!? Whelp guess I'm running this thing more than I thought! lol

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Yeah, The second one I think is another Pod, but grey (?) don't quote me though. I just know I saw two drops on one of my runs, and haven't seen it since. It looked like a grey version of pod 054 that always drops. Maybe someone here or on YouTube has it, or knows what I am talking about. I lost it with an 86 roll, I remember that.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd777

Rng walls is the lazyiest way to padd content in a MMO imo.
They are just doing it to increase their stats of player playing time.

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Actually its not RNG that's the laziest, it's timed content or weekly lockouts. RNG is just RNG. You either got it or you don't.

It's day THREE and people are crying about not getting the dress NOW, right AWAY, give it IMMEDIATELY how DARE.

Honestly, the 'immediate gratification' crowd in gaming/life these days is disheartening. And yes, I do have the dress, but it was on run... 8? And had I not gotten it... I was fine, because I ENJOY running it because I love the raid, I understand how RNG works, I support the concept to keep bodies in and running it so I can KEEP running it, and the concept of 'instant gratification' is a bit toxic and kills games because people just faff off once they get their shiny. I got the card, too... but since this is a brand new raid and people are going hard for collecting, I will no longer roll on the cards again for several months(maybe not until Pt2 drops even, to be fair and considerate of people needing to collect them). I still need to get 2 pets and all of the music. Not to mention weekly pieces of gear just to collect for glam. (Lawd knows I don't need them for ilvl... heh.)

People need to just simmer down and relax? Stop demanding things be handed to you 'right away' or easily? Instant gratification is not attractive, nor are the tantrums when you don't get it. Slow down a little and enjoy the game. If you need to step back and try again later, fine? The raid is a permanent addition. It'll always be there. And getting the dress doesn't reward some kind of 'social points' unless other people are pushing that on you, in which case you might want to distance yourself from those kinds of people.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Oh, I don't care about the weekly item, that's just more glam for me. I do plan on running it again though for that glam though, just not right now. I got caster butt armor on the 4th-6th run, somewhere in there. Maybe more or less. Can't remember. With the amount of tomes I have right now I could buy half a full set of 460 that can be upgraded, by the time I can get a couple more pieces of that glam gear.

Yeah, The second one I think is another Pod, but grey (?) don't quote me though. I just know I saw two drops on one of my runs, and haven't seen it since. It looked like a grey version of pod 054 that always drops. Maybe someone here or on YouTube has it, or knows what I am talking about. I lost it with an 86 roll, I remember that.

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its black/grey but pulls out a gatling gun while out

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Originally Posted by Lloyd777

Rng walls is the lazyiest way to padd content in a MMO imo.
They are just doing it to increase their stats of player playing time.

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While this might be true in regards to anything that only or mainly impacts an individual player - aka: anything you can and are most likely to do solo, like those horrible relic-fate-grinds - its less true for content like this, that involves and therefor impacts other people aswell.
If there was no incentive to run this content more than once (a week or at all), people who arent able to unlock it within the first few days or are able to get their weekly drop on tuesday would be pretty sh*t out of luck.
So no, they're not just doing it to increase our playtime, they're also doing this so someone with limited play time still has enough other people queueing for this content on a saturday 2 months after release.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

its black/grey but pulls out a gatling gun while out

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Sounds like a reskin of Pod 054 then cause it has a gatling gun too. Just a super rare drop. 20-21 runs and I saw it once. Could just be another innocence situation, where I cleared that 120-130 times, maybe more and only saw the mount drop once or twice. Just me being unlucky.

Why are you guys in such a hurry to get the dress anyway?? There will be plenty of time to gpose in it whenever you do get it. :v

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Why are you guys in such a hurry to get the dress anyway?? There will be plenty of time to gpose in it whenever you do get it. :v

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Impulse. The same thing that governs most of my purchase decisions, especially with micro transactions like the mogstation here. I wanted it now, so I was gonna have it now.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Sounds like a reskin of Pod 054 then cause it has a gatling gun too. Just a super rare drop. 20-21 runs and I saw it once. Could just be another innocence situation, where I cleared that 120-130 times, maybe more and only saw the mount drop once or twice. Just me being unlucky.

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A bit off topic, but I ran Baelsar's wall the day it came out. Ran it in ex roulette in the latter days of HW quite often. Several times helping a friend farm for the aiming chest off the last boss. (That he never actually did get.) And a couple weeks ago, I got it in 50/60/70 roulette, and saw the bullpup minion drop. I had no idea the dungeon even HAD a minion despite having run it several times over a matter of years.

Sometimes rng can be funny.

Took me 11 runs to get my weekly gear piece. Still on win on coffer and for minions don't care about just want the outfit. Music bought off market board so don't need it anymore.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

Instant gratification is not attractive, nor are the tantrums when you don't get it.

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Perhaps the least attractive of all are people who'd have preferred it be a cash shop item. Like the game is so awful that they want to pay for the chance to not play it.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Perhaps the least attractive of all are people who'd have preferred it be a cash shop item. Like the game is so awful that they want to pay for the chance to not play it.

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Whales. That's all there is to it.

Is there any way to buy the costume off the MB? I ask because I've just come back from a long Hiatus and still need to get through the whole SB MSQ in order to try and get it from the raid.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

Is there any way to buy the costume off the MB? I ask because I've just come back from a long Hiatus and still need to get through the whole SB MSQ in order to try and get it from the raid.

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Nope, its untradable, you'll have to get it from the raid yourself.

...and this is why its a good thing that not everyone will get it on day, so that once people who arent at the current endgame yet but will be in a few weeks have a chance to both do the raid and get some gear from it too.

People are worried that when people loose interest in the raid it will be impossible to get the set.

Kinda like how it's almost impossible to get the eureka glamours now.

Plus the ques will only take longer to get into the raid due to less players. Only chance will be getting it in a Alliance roulette. Even then most folks will probably just undergear to get one of the easier raids.

So best get it early before it becomes even harder to get.

I'm already burnt out of raid trying to win a coffer because of how hard they made it. They should took that into thought if ones get burned out of the raid it be dead soon. If they made it quest reward and not locked it to rolling on I would been running it every week. Now once get the coffer I will never run it again because don't want remember all lost rolls from it. Bet in just over month raid will be totally dead from them burning out everyone from it trying to get there 2b outfit.