4.2 Housing Update

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Originally Posted by MizArai

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Except its not just paused for people in a certain range of IP addresses where 'something bad' has occured. Its a global freeze. And if auto demolition is going to be suspended every time some disaster occurs somewhere in the world, because someone there might play FF XIV.. with the state of the world now it will never be reinstated.

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Originally Posted by Tarnehorst

Except its not just paused for people in a certain range of IP addresses where 'something bad' has occured. Its a global freeze. And if auto demolition is going to be suspended every time some disaster occurs somewhere in the world, because someone there might play FF XIV.. with the state of the world now it will never be reinstated.

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I imagine SE's decision on whether or not to suspend the timer is based on how much of their player base is going to be affected by a disaster. For example, they probably aren't going to suspend it if there's a natural disaster in South America; they just don't have a very large player base there compared to Japan or NA. I think it's good that they suspend the timer, though it was probably for too long this time.

So if within the same account one house is purchased one is a personal and two houses each on a different server and world have gained empty f c houses because of for lack of a better word "player default/MIA" how is this handled? I speak from my own current situation.

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Originally Posted by Senua

So if within the same account one house is purchased one is a personal and two houses each on a different server and world have gained empty f c houses because of for lack of a better word "player default/MIA" how is this handled? I speak from my own current situation.

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It's all world based so just going by one world for examples sake, if you have a personal house and you're IN an fc (don't have to be leader of an fc with a house, just in an fc with a house) you will be unable to purchase additional personal houses on that world and you cannot purchase an fc house for a different fc on that world. That's going by what was stated in the live letter translation. However the patch notes didn't specify just being in an fc blocking further purchase so we'll probably have to wait for the housing site to go up or just finding out from peoples' experience after the patch goes live.

Still nothing about the 40 interactable furnishing limit? Having to bang my face against glass wall of my fish tank to see it just because I have too much painting on upstairs is very frustrating and annoying.

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Originally Posted by Alberos

Still nothing about the 40 interactable furnishing limit? Having to bang my face against glass wall of my fish tank to see it just because I have too much painting on upstairs is very frustrating and annoying.

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Not that I've seen anywhere. I've been having quite the fun time trying to keep the fc house under the limit. 400 item limit, but the same interactive limit as an fc room. :(

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Not that I've seen anywhere. I've been having quite the fun time trying to keep the fc house under the limit. 400 item limit, but the same interactive limit as an fc room. :(

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Yeah, they keep adding interactive items and then I have to remove something to add the new item in or stuff starts disappearing grrr....

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

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This would be a little harsh wouldn't it? Why should someone just joining a FC be penalized when they aren't even the leader of the fc that owns the plot? Just doesn't seem right. I can understand if you own a personal home and is owner of a FC home. that would equal one per world. But by just joining a fc that have a house? Thats ludacris (Not accusing you or attacking you just saying how silly it sounds)

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Originally Posted by RayneLittlewinkle

This would be a little harsh wouldn't it? Why should someone just joining a FC be penalized when they aren't even the leader of the fc that owns the plot? Just doesn't seem right. I can understand if you own a personal home and is owner of a FC home. that would equal one per world. But by just joining a fc that have a house? Thats ludacris (Not accusing you or attacking you just saying how silly it sounds)

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I think the point of it is that they're in an fc with a house on the world so they have the possibility of access to the fc features. Of course the features that open up with an fc don't expand with membership, so a 1 person fc has the same airship/garden limits as a 500 person fc. That means there's a much smaller chance that someone in a larger fc has at getting anything from the airships, especially with the time/rng factored in for their use. There's still loopholes like giving someone not in the 'fc lock' estate purchase permissions and letting them buy the estate for the fc.

It's ultimately just down to the fact that once you're in an FC, you can technically inherit it at any time - either by intentionally being given it, or by the current FC master not logging in for 35 days and the master status migrating.

It just treats everyone in the FC as owning the FC house. Which, of course, only serves to open more loopholes.

They said some plots will be FC exclusive. Does that mean we can't private estate relocate to these plots?

4.2 Full Patch Notes:

"An issue wherein furnishings could be placed beyond housing walls and ceilings under certain circumstances.
* Placing furnishings outside of an estate beyond a certain distance causes the furnishings to be placed back inside the estate."

I hope you all got the chance to have some fun before the server went down. I'm going to assume the other existing glitch are fixed/affected as well.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

4.2 Full Patch Notes:

"Housing stuff."

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I really hope this doesn't mess with the floating items in houses glitch. I will be quite mad if I log in tomorrow and my house is messed up.

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Originally Posted by New_Game_Plus

I really hope this doesn't mess with the floating items in houses glitch. I will be quite mad if I log in tomorrow and my house is messed up.

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I know right? Honestly speaking, unless the out-of-bounds placement glitch is causing some serious bugs or resource hogs, I seriously can't understand why they can't just leave it be. It's almost like this is the first time the housing team comes up with something ridi- ah, never mind.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

4.2 Full Patch Notes:

"An issue wherein furnishings could be placed beyond housing walls and ceilings under certain circumstances.
* Placing furnishings outside of an estate beyond a certain distance causes the furnishings to be placed back inside the estate."

I hope you all got the chance to have some fun before the server went down. I'm going to assume the other existing glitch are fixed/affected as well.

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If they ever fixed the floating housing items, housing would become boring so fast.

This most likely has to do with exterior items that extend past your boundary into other houses or walkways.

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

If they ever fixed the floating housing items, housing would become boring so fast.

This most likely has to do with exterior items that extend past your boundary into other houses or walkways.

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No doubt about that. I'm just worried (within reasonable rights imo) that they will also fix the other glitch at the same time.

Well hopefully it not working retroactive and we get to keep our floating decorations.

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

It's ultimately just down to the fact that once you're in an FC, you can technically inherit it at any time - either by intentionally being given it, or by the current FC master not logging in for 35 days and the master status migrating.

It just treats everyone in the FC as owning the FC house. Which, of course, only serves to open more loopholes.

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How does treating everyone in the FC as owning the FC house open more loopholes?? If your part of an FC with a house then neither your or anyone else in that FC can buy a FC house on that world with alt characters. People with alt FC's that have a home will either kicked or leave any that FC wants a house that another one of their characters is apart of. Its more then likely going to lead to a lot of homeless FC's merging with a memeber's alt FC that has a hosue to avoid reliquishing said home.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

"An issue wherein furnishings could be placed beyond housing walls and ceilings under certain circumstances.
* Placing furnishings outside of an estate beyond a certain distance causes the furnishings to be placed back inside the estate."

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Hopefully it doesn't mess with the ability to get stuff up the walls/closer to the walls. The out of boundary jump puzzles were probably the issue they were trying to tackle. I wouldn't think it would cause further issue to the server, just that it goes too far beyond the scope of what they want you to do with housing.

Updated the main post with that snippet however. Didn't look like we got any new info other than that.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

4.2 Full Patch Notes:

"An issue wherein furnishings could be placed beyond housing walls and ceilings under certain circumstances.
* Placing furnishings outside of an estate beyond a certain distance causes the furnishings to be placed back inside the estate."

I hope you all got the chance to have some fun before the server went down. I'm going to assume the other existing glitch are fixed/affected as well.

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I hope this doesn't mean that interior walls and other items that were too long so I pushed them through the walls stop working.

i hope it isn't retroactive either... i was planning to take screenshots for housingsnap before i relocated ugh =[

It most certainly has to do with this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.red..._come_give_it/

And not floating items, which have been around for years now.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

4.2 Full Patch Notes:

"An issue wherein furnishings could be placed beyond housing walls and ceilings under certain circumstances.
* Placing furnishings outside of an estate beyond a certain distance causes the furnishings to be placed back inside the estate."

I hope you all got the chance to have some fun before the server went down. I'm going to assume the other existing glitch are fixed/affected as well.

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I read that and thought of the rainbow road house, where they have a way to glitch outside the house, then placed many, many items outside the house (in the great void beyond), mostly rainbow colored pillows making a road.

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

It most certainly has to do with this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.red..._come_give_it/

And not floating items, which have been around for years now.

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Lol holy crap, yeah I would guess that’s the fix.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

How does treating everyone in the FC as owning the FC house open more loopholes??

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

It's pretty straightforward. For simplicity, we have Players A, B, C, D and E.

1. Player A has Master status in eight Rank 6+ FCs on their eight characters. Players B, C and D have characters in each of those FCs. This satisfies the 4-person requirement for FC house eligibility, and any additional caveats (4 characters on unique service IDs).
2. Player A purchases Plot 1. Players A, B, C and D are now no longer eligible to purchase FC houses.
3. Player A kicks Players B, C and D from FC-1. Players B, C and D are now eligible to purchase FC houses.
4. Player A invites Player E to FC-1. Player A gives Master status to Player E. Player A leaves FC-1 and is now eligible to purchase FC houses.
5. Player E now owns a single-character FC and is no longer eligible to purchase FC houses. Because no checks will be done on grandfathered estates to remove them, and because checks would punish any FC that drops below 4 members for any length of time (even 3 very active people), it is assumed no checks will be done on Player E.
6. Player A-2 purchases Plot 2. Players A, B, C and D are now no longer eligible to purchase FC houses.
7. Player A-2 kicks Players B-2, C-2 and D-2 from FC-2.
8. Player A-2 invites Player E-2 to their FC. Player A-2 gives Master status to Player E-2. Player A-2 leaves their FC.
9. Player E-2 now owns 2 FCs with houses and remains ineligible to purchase FC houses.

Just continue that until Player E owns 8 FC houses. All purchased post-4.2. All legitimately, all largely uncontested.

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

- Player E isn't buying those plots, so until the point of Player E-2 being given Master status they shouldn't be stopped.
- Player E-2 and beyond own FC plots, but technically so too do countless not-jerky-people. If you can't purchase an FC on an alt while your main is in a different FC, then the game counts your main as owning an FC. If you're in an FC on your main and your alt, as far as the game is concerned, you already "own" two FCs. And so, continuing that logical process, there's no difference between Player E and any other player.
- People that are being grandfathered in will own multiple FCs, and the system doesn't seem to be doing anything to them - they specifically say that people owning multiple free company estates can freely relocate (so, no checks there). Unless, perhaps, the person chooses to pass Master status to someone else - then we're in the above scenarios again.

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

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Doesn't the FC need to be rank 6 or higher to buy a house?

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Originally Posted by Bloodkraft

Doesn't the FC need to be rank 6 or higher to buy a house?

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Yes, an FC has to be at least rank 6 to buy a house, but it's not that hard to level up an FC to rank 6. If you're really working at it, you can do it in a day. There was a guy that was talking about having done it in 7 hours.

FC selling has been a big gil maker for awhile - I think it's going to be an even bigger one now.

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

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I posted the first counter too this issue in my other post. The second counter to what your presenting and the one most likely to happen: Main in FC1 with a house. Alt in FC 2 with a house, the caveat being only one of those two can be the leader of their respective FC. In short your main and your alt cannot both be the leader of FC's that own a house.

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Originally Posted by Bloodkraft

FC selling has been a big gil maker for awhile - I think it's going to be an even bigger one now.

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This is the biggest loop hole in the housing system right here. :D

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

This is the biggest loop hole in the housing system right here. :D

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not really. There are probably gonna be a few sale when people clearing out their backlog. But since you can only own 1FC house per account now, they can not sustain it.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I posted the first counter too this issue in my other post. The second counter to what your presenting and the one most likely to happen: Main in FC1 with a house. Alt in FC 2 with a house, the caveat being only one of those two can be the leader of their respective FC. In short your main and your alt cannot both be the leader of FC's that own a house.

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I was simply copying an older post to highlight how the new system, like the one it's replacing, is full of holes.

There's nothing to indicate that you can't be the leader of multiple FCs, intentionally or otherwise. Quite the opposite, as mentioned in Point #3 of the second quote, if you consider that grandfathered people will, in fact, have accomplished just that from day one. Fixing the loophole/workaround would require Square to implement an additional check beyond the time of purchase - or multiple checks, depending - and we won't know if they've bothered to do that until the servers are back up and someone gambles, or until Feb 6th rolls around and the new wards open up. Given that most everything else they've done with housing this patch has been nonsensical and shortsighted, my money is placed firmly on the side of "they didn't even consider people might do this."

If they do add additional checks, it's also going to have its own set of problems. Such as: What becomes of an FC house if the leader goes inactive and the only otherwise eligible character to inherit it is an alt of someone already in possession of master status in an FC? And ultimately still doesn't stop 1.) people buying up houses to resell as FCs some months down the line and 2.) using FCs to buy medium/large houses now and reselling them to people that own smalls later (since relocating bypasses the randomized purchase lockout).

Reason why housing glitch is being fixed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne2_...=youtu.be&t=12

Awesome, but as some comments already suggested, can lead to unexpected server crashes/overload.

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

I was simply copying an older post to highlight how the new system, like the one it's replacing, is full of holes.

There's nothing to indicate that you can't be the leader of multiple FCs, intentionally or otherwise. Quite the opposite, as mentioned in Point #3 of the second quote, if you consider that grandfathered people will, in fact, have accomplished just that from day one. Fixing the loophole/workaround would require Square to implement an additional check beyond the time of purchase - or multiple checks, depending - and we won't know if they've bothered to do that until the servers are back up and someone gambles, or until Feb 6th rolls around and the new wards open up. Given that most everything else they've done with housing this patch has been nonsensical and shortsighted, my money is placed firmly on the side of "they didn't even consider people might do this."

If they do add additional checks, it's also going to have its own set of problems. Such as: What becomes of an FC house if the leader goes inactive and the only otherwise eligible character to inherit it is an alt of someone already in possession of master status in an FC? And ultimately still doesn't stop 1.) people buying up houses to resell as FCs some months down the line and 2.) using FCs to buy medium/large houses now and reselling them to people that own smalls later (since relocating bypasses the randomized purchase lockout).

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Guess we will see when the servers up but at this moment people even myself are speculating. As for selling FC's only way to stop that is too completely remove the ability to promote anyone too leader and remove the auto promote that happens in a leaders absence. As a FC leader I want the ability to promote both manually and auto to remain my Fc should not suffer cause of my extended absence should one happen.

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

1.) people buying up houses to resell as FCs some months down the line and 2.) using FCs to buy medium/large houses now and reselling them to people that own smalls later (since relocating bypasses the randomized purchase lockout).

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Again, while these things still "theoretically" possible you need:
- An organize cartel to do it or at least running multiple service accounts.
- House flipping contain certain risk, the idea is always grab the house from the system at the base price and sell it at 2-5 time more than it's worth. I don't think paying 500mil for a Shirogane mansion to flip it at 1000mil is a good prospect. Why 1000mil you ask? Because I wouldn't risk paying 500mil to a flipper only to flip it to 600mil and earn a filmsy 50mil profit with a 550mil investment.

There gonna be some left over-stock, any change will take time to normalize. But new stocks for flipping will not be created, or become extremely difficult to do so.

I have been wanting to purchase a housing plot ever since I came back after a long unavoidable break from the game (life happens) but a lack of gil initially prevented me from doing so and now until the new plots open every plot on my server is gone. Which leaves utilizing an FC house or purchasing an Apartment, both are nice if limited in options. One of those limits being not able to personalise an outdoor space and in the case of an Apartment no outdoor space at all which is frustrating especially if your interested in Gardening.
I would love it if the Apartments had a Communal Garden space with a portion attached to each Apartment and also if there was a size option with corresponding gil amounts for said Apartments similar to the size and gil amount options for housing plots.

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Originally Posted by CitizenEorzea

... a Communal Garden space with a portion attached to each Apartment and also if there was a size option...

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In the LL announcing 4.2, Yoshi P stated (I'm pretty sure) that there are plans to implement similar changes to the apartment system to make it more versatile - in the far future though.

Welcome to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

- An organize cartel to do it or at least running multiple service accounts.

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Nope. An FC of 4 people =/= an FC of 4 characters on unique service accounts =/= an FC of 4 people of X level or greater.

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- House flipping contain certain risk, the idea is always grab the house from the system at the base price and sell it at 2-5 time more than it's worth. I don't think paying 500mil for a Shirogane mansion to flip it at 1000mil is a good prospect. Why 1000mil you ask? Because I wouldn't risk paying 500mil to a flipper only to flip it to 600mil and earn a filmsy 50mil profit with a 550mil investment.

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I'm deeply confused by this; I don't follow your train of thought. The most expensive plot in the game costs 50 million.

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Originally Posted by Amomomo

In the LL announcing 4.2, Yoshi P stated (I'm pretty sure) that there are plans to implement similar changes to the apartment system to make it more versatile - in the far future though.

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They said they'll look into allowing apartments to be upgraded to medium and large sizes in the future, yes. They have, however, stated that (currently) adding balconies/lawns isn't possible due to the way they're implemented.

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

I'm deeply confused by this; I don't follow your train of thought. The most expensive plot in the game costs 50 million.

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I think he meant that, from a house flipper's point of view, in order of make a decent/good profit they have to ensure that they atleast charge 175% (if not double) of the amount of gil they invested into the property.

Example: buy a plot at plot price e.g. grade 1 medium at 20mil. Then later on, at least change 40mil for relinquish.
Then, whoever that paid 40mil to get that plot, will prefer to at least be paid 60-100mil for their trouble (cost was 40mil relinquish+20mil plot).

However, it is unlikely that veteran house flippers would be dumb enough to pay too much relinquish fee. They would instead, prey on unknowing players who sell at below market price in addition to grabbing as many plots at plot price whenever wards are added. Not to mention they would prey on auto-demo as well.

They would, I assume, grab plots at plot price whenever chances do pop up, then simply triple the price to compete with players who want a price tag that cover both the plot and relinquish price.

Not to mention just throw some bots/alts in the empty house under a shell FC - easily triple/quadriple the plot price. E.g. I've seen people selling medium with FCs for 65+mil, and large for 150mil+ (not even Shirogane).

Still better than pre-plot price nerf - medium relinquish was easily 80mil.