Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

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Originally Posted by Konata_Izumi

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People need to play with their friends.

Why deny them this? WHY?!!11one!

GOD I hope they add raid gear potions!

I need to be able to be on the same ilvl as my "friends" in order for me to enjoy this game to the fullest XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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Originally Posted by Madepossible

Granted you win XD

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I wasn't trying to win, I was genuinely curious. I was actually hoping you would poke a hole in my response. LOL "OH NOES!!!"

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Originally Posted by Tint

yes. or you will never reach let's say vanu beast tribe, alexander entrance, dozens of gathering points, some hunt mobs (depends on where they spawn), some treasure maps...

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/think is that really endgame tho? :3

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Originally Posted by Imoen

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I wasn't trying to win, I was genuinely curious. I was actually hoping you would poke a hole in my response. LOL "OH NOES!!!"

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Tint seems to have a good image of endgame, ofc define endgame xd

FinalWolf, that would be pay to win. Level boost and story skip is not (especially if it becomes available a day or two after Stormblood releases. So you have Level 60 Shire gear. Big whoop. That's not going to help you with the level 70 raid).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

RMT's will never use these as it's a loss for them, not a profit.

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This isn't so. RMT use stolen credit cards or they charge back. Either way they will be able to use jump potions without having to pay for them.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Absolute nonsense. Several other ways to alleviate these problems could have been implemented, they just weren't as cash grabby.

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Precisely. This is an unfortunate turn for the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Madepossible

Tint seems to have a good image of endgame, ofc define endgame xd

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Well someone made a gathering response to my initial post, I mean I guess if we count gathering, then ya sure, besides maybe what ? Sophia?

I have a sneaking suspicion anyone grabbing an easy button from staples isn't after gathering or crafting though... but that's just an opinion not a fact.

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Originally Posted by Legewiel

It's not endgame content, there will be a whole expansion to learn everything and we'll probably have to learn a lot of things too cause of the revamping on skills

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With how easy everything is I doubt it would be enough. And even now I would not want to see someone like that even in level 50 roulette. I might be paranoid but after meeting such clueless people I don't want them to multiply.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

I think people are overreacting a bit here. I don't see any issue with this service at all. The points that Yoshi-p brought up are super logical.

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The level jump potion is one thing, but charging to skip the story quest is really a blatant cash grab when they could have (SHOULD have) fixed the problems people have pointed out to them regarding the MSQ blocking.

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Originally Posted by Imoen

Well someone made a gathering response to my initial post, I mean I guess if we count gathering, then ya sure, besides maybe what ? Sophia?

I have a sneaking suspicion anyone grabbing an easy button from staples isn't after gathering or crafting though... but that's just an opinion not a fact.

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No my dear , FFXIV real endgame is GLAMOURS!

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Originally Posted by nyxxye

No my dear , FFXIV real endgame is GLAMOURS!

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HAHA, seems so indeed. <3

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Not to mention it seems like you get weapons and gear with it...and not just any gear. With the level 50 ones, sounds like they just hand you i120 poetics stuff (or items to exchange for it). What will they do with the 60 ones? Hand out i260 gear?

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Yeah they basically get i120 stuff. And so what? That gear is already far outdated and they still need to do the 50->60 levelling. i120 is good till 53/54 at best, i130 is good to 55/56. So they're given some gear so they aren't completely useless while levelling and that gear will be replaced entirely by the time they hit 60. Once they get to 60 they'll still have to grind out seals and tomestones or buy crafted gear to be ready for endgame just like everyone else now. With a lvl 60 potion then exact same thing will happen. Someone that uses the lvl 60 potion will be given some gear that will presumably be replaced about half way to 70 and then the grind begins once you hit 70 to get whatever the most current gear is. This is no where close to P2W.

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Originally Posted by Inori-Yuzuriha

RIP FFXIV

Good luck SE, I will not buy the expansion now.

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See ya in early access for stormblood. XD

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Originally Posted by Imoen

Well someone made a gathering response to my initial post, I mean I guess if we count gathering, then ya sure, besides maybe what ? Sophia?

I have a sneaking suspicion anyone grabbing an easy button from staples isn't after gathering or crafting though... but that's just an opinion not a fact.

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I think the flying makes the whole experience much better. It would take awhile to unlock endgame content quests in the new areas if you can't fly! I think I'm too spoiled with the flying zones x)

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Originally Posted by SakurazukaSeishirou

I do not kick people who are willing to listen and learn. I would help people learn gladly unless we are in the endgame content which is not the place to start to read your skills. But I would not have patince for a cheater who was to lazy to play a game and now waisting my time. Do you really wish to get into a some high level duty with a tank who has no idea what tank is supposed to do?

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And why do you assume that someone that used a jump potion isn't willing to listen and learn? What exactly would make them different from someone else that did grind out the levels (btw the jump potion doesn't take you to max level so you still have a fair bit of grinding to do) but didn't bother to learn anything during that grind?

If I go into a high level duty with someone that has no idea what their doing, then whether or not they used a jump potion will not change that they have no idea what they're doing. They difference is that I'm not assuming jump potion user = instant baddie that doesn't know how to play.

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Story skipping I understand but a level jump... hahaha~

A lot of people are really terrible to begin with, NA DF will be an absolute nightmare probably. 80% of the game is BiS, 20% "skill" and yet people still can be utter failures and not know their class.

Gonna quote myself to make it apparent to people that these potions are NOT MAX LEVEL potions, but ways to get people up to par...

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

I think people aren't looking at the full story. None of these potions will get anyone to the endgame faster. People will still have to level and will still have to do some quests. As it is currently in the Korean/chinese markets, you can only use a potion to jump to lvl 50, and can only skip the ARR MSQ series. You still have to level the last 10 levels, and do the last 120+ quests of the HW MSQ. This is not something that is or will be terrible, it is designed to help new people who want to join the game and not do 400 quests worth of old content. As long as people aren't hitting max level, I'm on board with the idea of leveling potions and story skipping.

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Yes this will change with Stormblood, but the lvl potion cap would go to 60, and the MSQ skip would include HW, but honestly, they, and also you will have to do stormblood, and get to the new cap. I fail to see why this is a bad thing...

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Originally Posted by pinder2009

And why do you assume that someone that used a jump potion isn't willing to listen and learn? What exactly would make them different from someone else that did grind out the levels (btw the jump potion doesn't take you to max level so you still have a fair bit of grinding to do) but didn't bother to learn anything during that grind?

If I go into a high level duty with someone that has no idea what their doing, then whether or not they used a jump potion will not change that they have no idea what they're doing. They difference is that I'm not assuming jump potion user = instant baddie that doesn't know how to play.

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That's great we need more people like this.

So I hope you don't mind teaching a new person who's never played an MMO their level 60+ rotation during a dungeon run on top of the mechanics of the bosses?

Scratch that, you'll be teaching a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

Gonna quote myself to make it apparent to people that these potions are NOT MAX LEVEL potions, but ways to get people up to par...

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Its like people didn't even read the entire post by YoshiP

If it is included with the expansion I see no problem. Both the story and level jump potion.
It should not be an additional pay wall added to a new player after buying both expansions and the base game. If you want more then one job sure pay additional money or level the normal way.

Bad players will be bad players, those that want to learn will do so. This is to incentives new players coming to FFXIV to not run away from the hill that is ARR+HW in order to access Stormblood on release.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

The level jump potion is one thing, but charging to skip the story quest is really a blatant cash grab when they could have (SHOULD have) fixed the problems people have pointed out to them regarding the MSQ blocking.

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And in doing so, we get less new content come Stormblood. I'm already reaching a point where the expansion needs to serious wow me lest I move on to other games simply because I just don't have much to do. Will I actually quit? Probably not. I may, however, move into prolonged breaks. Knowing my habits, that has generally seen a declining interest the more I stay away. What you're advocating for will push away current veterans like myself because we're bored. Player retainer has been utterly abysmal this past year. The last thing XIV should be focusing on is less content or catering any more to casual players than it already does. Furthermore, trimming ARR and HW doesn't alleviate the issue. You just push it back until the next expansion. People do not want to grind through hundreds of quests to play new content. No amount of trimming will change the fact you'll still have a plethora of quests. If the game embraced a full open world concept, then it's deviating away from what I, personally, enjoy: a continuously developing story.

XIV backed itself into a corner the moment they stuck to the archaic system we have now. If the choice is between new content I get to explore and participate in or less because of adjustments to old content I have already completed. I'll take the former every time.

wow now that I think about it this touches on a thread that I got flack for , while they are adding jump potions I bet storm blood for us will be story gated prob just like hw content is. So basically if you pay you can skip everything up to expansion no gates, if you play the right way you get gated by msq and have to do msq to progress to any parts of the game in new expansion. That just seems pretty backwards to me.

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Originally Posted by FinalWolf

That's great we need more people like this.

So I hope you don't mind teaching a new person who's never played an MMO their level 60+ rotation during a dungeon run on top of the mechanics of the bosses?

Scratch that, you'll be teaching a lot of people.

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If someone hasn't played an MMO before and they bought the base game+SB+story potion+job potion then I would be very, very surprised. Teaching them during a dungeon? If its a levelling dungeon then sure. If its a lvl 70 dungeon then I'll throw out whatever tips I can and tell them to find someone who is good at job and ask them for advice. If they're a sane person they will have tried the trial and learn to push a button or two and picked their favourite class to use the job potion. They won't need an optimal rotation in a dungeon so telling them to keep up Heavy Thrust, use CT combo, then use FT combo is pretty easy using DRG as an example. As long as they are willing to listen teaching them some basics should be no problem and directing them to find more information shouldn't be either.

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I really don't see this a big deal. Starting the heavensward classes at 30 didn't really stop people from learning the class, so I can't see a jump to 50 doing it either. As it stands I still come across bards who played 1-50 who think they need to AOE spam single mobs or healers who just stand there waiting to heal when they could be tossing out some dps. I don't really see much changing except more people in the duty finder, good and bad.

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5. All dungeons implemented up to Patch 2.55 will be set as cleared.

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This is probably the worst, can they at least keep their bonuses?

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Originally Posted by Nym_Secura

healers who just stand there waiting to heal when they could be tossing out some dps.

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this i don't get, i've died many times as a tank because a healer wastes their mana on attacking, same reason i don't use cleric stance while running dungeons, just seems rather dumb to throw mana reserves away on the slight increase of overall dps over keeping the party alive

Realistically they should probably do what other MMOs do at some point and package the base game and previous expansions with the new one, whether that is appropriate at this stage is another discussion. If SB + potions cost is too high, then the introduction of jump potions might no be as successful in attracting new players as planned. WoW bundled a level boost to 100 with legion, if they're looking to poach experienced players from other games then adopting a comparable model might help.

Overall, honestly think it's a good idea - it's not P2W, as the purpose will just be bringing people to the beginning of that iteration of the game (4.0). Whether players are bad or not is very likely to be based on their attitude, rather than whether they used a jump potion as opposed to trawling through a mindless grind. It should also help with keeping the focus more on the current content - I for one would much rather be doing new activities for my 4.0 relic, rather than grinding old content.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

This is probably the worst, can they at least keep their bonuses?

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this in particular makes me feel ill. these sure as hell shouldn't be marked as cleared, unlocked maybe.

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Originally Posted by lokowoko

this i don't get, i've died many times as a tank because a healer wastes their mana on attacking, same reason i don't use cleric stance while running dungeons, just seems rather dumb to throw mana reserves away on the slight increase of overall dps over keeping the party alive

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unrelated to the thread, but this is the behavior and mindset of dead weight.

stop it now , it doesn't matter if yoshi add jump potion.
if your argument is : NOOBS doesnt know what to do with their class!!
then it's utter bullshit.
With PoTD implemented and noobs levelling through PoTD do u really think they know what each skill is for?
They just use it to lv to 60 asap and think oh i am now lv 60 i am so good at this game!!!

I am not completely agree with jump pot either but , it help new players.
NEW PLAYERS help keep this game alive !!
if you think new players are stupid and stubborn and not willing to take advice then ditch em.
if they are worthy teaching then teach em.
The MENTOR system is there even if its not perfect and ok face it , some mentors are there just because the crown icon , some just want to milk the second chance from noobs.

i love this game , and even though its hard but i will think positively & respect Yoshi & his crew decision.

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Originally Posted by Madepossible

I think the flying makes the whole experience much better. It would take awhile to unlock endgame content quests in the new areas if you can't fly! I think I'm too spoiled with the flying zones x)

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Lol, I agree with you as well as far as the QoL part, as far as Unlocking endgame, that is purely story based... So that is an auto unlock for anyone with a few bucks and a credit card. I'm not trying to persuade you, I'm just telling my thoughts. For the record, if this game was F2P, then I would have absolutely no problem with this implementation, its the double and triple dipping that pisses me off.

Honestly, the Negatives portion just seems like a Concession and Rebuttal section rather than giving the Negatives side its full due.

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Originally Posted by lokowoko

this i don't get, i've died many times as a tank because a healer wastes their mana on attacking, same reason i don't use cleric stance while running dungeons, just seems rather dumb to throw mana reserves away on the slight increase of overall dps over keeping the party alive

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that just means you're not good enough as a healer.

u are given shroud of saint for WHM
luminoferous aether for AST
and almost infinite MP for SCH

learn mana management and you'll be able to dps & heal.

i personaly main healer , and i absolutely really hate!! standing doing nothing when i can actually help my team dps and clear faster.
ofc im expecting my tank to be smart too.use holmgang , use hallowed ground use living dead or other CD's, if u see your healer wont heal you fast enough.
and if after you use all cd and your healer still stand there dps-ing , kick his ass to the curb.

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Originally Posted by nyxxye

stop it now , it doesn't matter if yoshi add jump potion.
if your argument is : NOOBS doesnt know what to do with their class!!
then it's utter bullshit.
With PoTD implemented and noobs levelling through PoTD do u really think they know what each skill is for?
They just use it to lv to 60 asap and think oh i am now lv 60 i am so good at this game!!!

I am not completely agree with jump pot either but , it help new players.
NEW PLAYERS help keep this game alive !!
if you think new players are stupid and stubborn and not willing to take advice then ditch em.
if they are worthy teaching then teach em.

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this argument falls completely flat because palace of the dead absolutely serves as a testing ground for skills at an accelerated rate. i've learned jobs long before actually reaching 60 this way. it works.

I'll just say how I think the Jump Potion should work and how to implement it.

Mechanics: Can only be used once per character, no buying yourself to all 60. Only usable on Battle classes, no Crafters/Gatherers. And most importantly only usable by characters with New/Returning Player status. This is the key to limiting its exploitability, making it so the people who actually need it are the only ones who can use it.

Distribution: Two types, one for level and one for story. Make a bundle of both that costs less than buying both individually. Include a free one in full game bundles, the ones that'll have the base game, A Realm Reborn, plus both expansions. Make it so the people starting from scratch don't have to go through two games to get to the new stuff.

The two things I bolded are what I believe to be the most important things. The Jump Potion can be good if it's done right.

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Originally Posted by zztoluca

If it is included with the expansion I see no problem. Both the story and level jump potion.
It should not be an additional pay wall added to a new player after buying both expansions and the base game. If you want more then one job sure pay additional money or level the normal way.

Bad players will be bad players, those that want to learn will do so. This is to incentives new players coming to FFXIV to not run away from the hill that is ARR+HW in order to access Stormblood on release.

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No if they want to skip stuff they should pay wring every $ out of them

That's SE policy!

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Originally Posted by lokowoko

this i don't get, i've died many times as a tank because a healer wastes their mana on attacking, same reason i don't use cleric stance while running dungeons, just seems rather dumb to throw mana reserves away on the slight increase of overall dps over keeping the party alive

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Tank better. If a healer is running into mana issues healing you while DPS'ing you are requiring far too much healing. Look at your gear, cooldown properly, don't stand in bad and learn what a tankbuster is and how to avoid it. Having just dipped my toes into healing I can tell you right now that if I didn't flip to clerec and do some DPS at least half of any boss fight would be spent with my thumb firmly jammed up my backside praying for a respite from the boredom. The only moments of mana terror I've seen so far were when the tank was so egregiously bad that I was tempted to just vote kick them out of the dungeon and heal tank it with my face.

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Originally Posted by lokowoko

this i don't get, i've died many times as a tank because a healer wastes their mana on attacking, same reason i don't use cleric stance while running dungeons, just seems rather dumb to throw mana reserves away on the slight increase of overall dps over keeping the party alive

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Are you here filling the role of the straw-man level booster before we've even introduced it?

I used to think it was a stupid idea, but reading the posts in the other thread, I can see why they're doing it. It really does take a long time for anyone to get caught up with everyone else, and if they want to play the new jobs or go to the new areas, they have to put in a lot of hours just to get there.

I can see why people wouldn't like it, from a business standpoint, it makes sense.

I'm all for the Jump Potions! I think including one of each in a bundle with the base game and all expansions makes the most amount of sense. It will become VERY important that there is some end-game "tutorial" (be that another hall series or job quest or whatever) to give people the key points and rotations for playing their chosen job, but I think that would be helpful either way with all the changes that happen with jobs each expansion.

2cents, done!