Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

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Originally Posted by Sagagemini

I would probably pay 5$ for it.

12$? No, thanks.

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You won't be missed, however I'll see you when 2.0 comes around =)

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Originally Posted by Davorok

If the "Bundling" proved to be popular with players and generated the needed revenue for SE, I think they should keep it post 2.0 however, they could also drop the $5.99 One(1) Character Bundle @ v2.0 but everyone that stays will get an additional character with the $9.99 Bundle.

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Thanks!

Hm... ya know, you may have something there. Perhaps a certain amount of flexibility is what they need to also set them apart. Another thing they should definitely do is allow us to pay in advance. For example, 3 months, 6 months, to 12 months in advance.

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I'd be for it, especially if it meant keeping the 1/3rd of the community (judging by forum poles) that are against paying.

I still don't know that people would really put their money where their mouth is, though.

lol now people are talking about reduced pricing post 2.0 as well? Huge surprise there.

You guys really need to calm down over the argument of whether or not YoshiP's "50%" statement is applicable to the issue at hand. It was just one piece of evidence used to support my argument.

The interpretation: "The prologue is 100% and 2.0 is 50%" if fine.
The interpretation: "The only version that matters (2.0) is 50% done" is fine too.

They both reflect the different priorities of the customer and what they believe is the product they feel that they are paying for.


The main consideration, as it has always been, is what YOU, the paying customer really feel the game is worth.


A lot of people think that currently, and for well into the next year, this game is NOT going to be worth paying $12 for.

A lot more people (in my opinion, due to the relative elasticity of the demand for this game) think that this game IS worth $5.


A compounding effect is added because I feel there are a lot of people like me who would still pay $12 so long as most of their friends stayed on to play. However, many of my friends would not want to pay $12 (but would pay $5), so if they leave, then I have little reason to want to stay anymore.

guessed people would bring up where once price is lowered they want to keep it that price even after 2.0...
for those of you saying that and want that... you guys really need to grow up and learn reality...

I was OK with people suggesting half price for some of their reasons but if you gonna go post 2.0 with that... that's just ridiculous lol.

Half game, half price.
And after triying ifrit fight with all the problem that the game have (orrible game engine, more orrible lag, action lock etc. ), SE should be very happy if we all pay at least 5-6 €/$

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Originally Posted by Alerith

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/clap /clap Why ppl should pay for an incomplete game (with a terrible payment system btw), when really more promosing mmo are coming out? Only cause the game has chocos (finally) and Final Fantasy in his name? And i talk as FF saga fan (even played XI from usa d1 till half of wotg)

It's not fair for us to pay the full price. I would be alright with paying around $7 a month and then full price after 1.22 or 1.23 are out.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

guessed people would bring up where once price is lowered they want to keep it that price even after 2.0...
for those of you saying that and want that... you guys really need to grow up and learn reality...

I was OK with people suggesting half price for some of their reasons but if you gonna go post 2.0 with that... that's just ridiculous lol.

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Agreed. It's absurd to think that the discount should continue into the relaunch.

If there are any discounts at relaunch it should be based on a "buy three months, get 10% off" type model.

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Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

It's not fair for us to pay the full price. I would be alright with paying around $7 a month and then full price after 1.22 or 1.23 are out.

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Yoshida stated they may not even charget until 1.21 so people can try out 1.20 content. This is a perfectly reasonable time to start charging, since it brings the game to launch standards.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

I was OK with people suggesting half price for some of their reasons but if you gonna go post 2.0 with that... that's just ridiculous lol.

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Yep.

2.0 is "make or break" time, and that should be the full price face that they put forward.

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

/clap /clap Why ppl should pay for an incomplete game (with a terrible payment system btw), when really more promosing mmo are coming out? Only cause the game has chocos (finally) and Final Fantasy in his name? And i talk as FF saga fan (even played XI from usa d1 till half of wotg)

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Don't pay if you don't like it. Its amazing how many of you play a game you feel is terrible. Or maybe....just maybe... you're full of it.

I'm already going to pay $12 if that's what SE charges. I like the game.

HOWEVER, SE knows the product they now have, and the product they're going to have. I truly hope they do the right thing and only charge us a portion of that until 2.0 is released.

Not holding my breath, though.

I don't call it half-finished because of anything Yoshida said. We're literally at the halfway point between when they started the rebuild and when they're expected to finish. That's half-finished in anyone's book.

But even that aside, we're playing what amounts to a version of FFXIV whose days are numbered. FFXIV 2.0 will be a new client with new servers with new zones. So they're asking full price for a game that will be obsolete in a year's time. Somehow, that just doesn't sit well with me.

I recognize people think this is worth the full price, nonetheless, and that's perfectly okay. Everyone will vote with their dollars. But if lowering the price makes SE even more money with a larger player base, doesn't everyone win in this situation? I think it's worth a look.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I don't call it half-finished because of anything Yoshida said. We're literally at the halfway point between when they started the rebuild and when they're expected to finish. That's half-finished in anyone's book.

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Fine, then 2.0 is half finished. But no one is paying for 2.0 yet, so don't act like our current FFXIV is half finished because of it. Finished isn't the issue and never has been - you either enjoy the game enough to pay or you don't. If your principles prevent you from paying for a game you enjoy based on how complete the next version of that game is..

You know what, I don't even have an end for that sentence; it's just too crazy.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

But even that aside, we're playing what amounts to a version of FFXIV whose days are numbered. FFXIV 2.0 will be a new client with new servers with new zones. So they're asking full price for a game that will be obsolete in a year's time. Somehow, that just doesn't sit well with me.

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Obsolete would be wiping character data. Obsolete would be not taking into account everything learned from our current FFXIV and the feedback from the community about it. Obsolete would be completely changing the lore to something unrecognizable. There's nothing obsolete about FFXIV now because it will be even better later.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I recognize people think this is worth the full price, nonetheless, and that's perfectly okay. Everyone will vote with their dollars. But if lowering the price makes SE even more money with a larger player base, doesn't everyone win in this situation? I think it's worth a look.

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That's a big if - charging half would require over double the number of people to play for the entire time up to 2.0. You can disagree with their speculation on whether or not that would happen, but you still can't say that the price drop should happen based on how "finished" the game is.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Don't pay if you don't like it. Its amazing how many of you play a game you feel is terrible. Or maybe....just maybe... you're full of it.

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see sheep like this ignore post complety to def their shepard....

he never sayed he didnt like the game just that it is unfinished and other games will be coming out that should be finished b4 they accualy finish this game.

he made a valid point and u troll all over it.

this is why these post are so much fun same sheep sayin same stuff, if u dont like it then leave. even tho the guy sayed hes been a fan of the series for ever.

i agree with him to a point, its not about not liking the game or the name or what color my char is, its about the fact that i payed for a product that was soposed to be this.... and i got somthing else..... now they sent me half of what i payed for but want me to pay for the service for that product untill i recieve what i was soposed to get in the first place. so if u add up that 15 bucks for a year+ the 80 bucks i payed and couldnt even enjoy because well we dont need to go back into how bad this game was @ launch. and ill have over 250 dollars on a product i wont recieve till next year.

now i personaly dont care about the money its the point of the matter i already payed for the product they gona be selling a year from now. i didnt pay for this and i am not getting offered a refund for it. they admited it was not right. i spent over $1000 bucks rebuilding my pc because they sayed it would need a beefy pc to play it, but even with my i7 and duel 460 gtx cards this game is still slow laggy and not worth upgrading my pc for.

me and my firend put our pcs right next to each other, when i run around him it dont even show me move till like 3-4 secs later. it works both ways also if he moves it does same thing on my screen.

I feel i was misled on what was bein sold, as a finished and ready to be sold mmo. this game is far from that. now 2.0 sounds like it will have the finishing touches on it to accualy give u the full exp u should recieve in any mmo, but that again is a year away.

now the game is goin in the right direction for sure the new GD is the man he shoulda amde the game to begin with, but it still has way to many flaws to say its ready to be sold. ive played so many f2p mmos, almost every1 i have played never have i seen such bad servers or ui, these 2 things should be adressed b4 it can be considers a p2p game. untill then why would new peeps want to play? is SE goal not to get as many peeps playing their game?

charging this early will make lots of peeps quit, and lots might not come back if they find 1 of the new big mmos coming out in next year fun. this is not the way to keep the game floating in a desperate time like now when the game is on verge of dying off, and has already been deemed a failure, by every big mmo websight online.

if it wasnt for my RL friends i would not be playing till 2.0 if i even came back then. but lucky for SE i got 2 RL friends addicted to their first mmo. i dont want to ruin this exp for them i rember playing EQ for first time and was so addicted myself. but i am not them, im not new to mmos, i know what good mmos have to offer. so im in a place where i dont want to pay for a beta but i proly will just to play with my firends if they decide to stay.

Wow this thread...

Also math is never "made up" its the only thing that is true, the numbers are merely, dare I say it, representational and honestly do not matter (yes read me correctly, they do not matter; that is the beauty of math when you are merely looking at a + or - percentage; whether the player base is 1 to 1million it doesn't matter what matters are the percentages, percentages, percentages) Also to make a claim that people don't know what they are doing when they show you plain out mathematical fact is just silly.

The information is out there, you can google the average income for all kinds of employees and use those are references, we know that there are 250 employees, we know they probably make 40k a year, we know there are 11 months of billing (not 12; see the .pdf for ref) we know the price is 12.99 full or 6.49 half, the only unknown is x = player base, but if you use the same number for x then it doesn't really matter what x is to get the percents and your gain/loss. I hope all these makes sense to the mass, its not hard math its basic algebra at best and you don't really need a room full of accountants to do it. (lol at whoever made that statement)

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Originally Posted by stoned

see sheep like this ignore post complety to def their shepard....

he never sayed he didnt like the game just that it is unfinished and other games will be coming out that should be finished b4 they accualy finish this game.

he made a valid point and u troll all over it.

this is why these post are so much fun same sheep sayin same stuff, if u dont like it then leave. even tho the guy sayed hes been a fan of the series for ever.

i agree with him to a point, its not about not liking the game or the name or what color my char is, its about the fact that i payed for a product that was soposed to be this.... and i got somthing else..... now they sent me half of what i payed for but want me to pay for the service for that product untill i recieve what i was soposed to get in the first place. so if u add up that 15 bucks for a year+ the 80 bucks i payed and couldnt even enjoy because well we dont need to go back into how bad this game was @ launch. and ill have over 250 dollars on a product i wont recieve till next year.

now i personaly dont care about the money its the point of the matter i already payed for the product they gona be selling a year from now. i didnt pay for this and i am not getting offered a refund for it. they admited it was not right. i spent over $1000 bucks rebuilding my pc because they sayed it would need a beefy pc to play it, but even with my i7 and duel 460 gtx cards this game is still slow laggy and not worth upgrading my pc for.

me and my firend put our pcs right next to each other, when i run around him it dont even show me move till like 3-4 secs later. it works both ways also if he moves it does same thing on my screen.

I feel i was misled on what was bein sold, as a finished and ready to be sold mmo. this game is far from that. now 2.0 sounds like it will have the finishing touches on it to accualy give u the full exp u should recieve in any mmo, but that again is a year away.

now the game is goin in the right direction for sure the new GD is the man he shoulda amde the game to begin with, but it still has way to many flaws to say its ready to be sold. ive played so many f2p mmos, almost every1 i have played never have i seen such bad servers or ui, these 2 things should be adressed b4 it can be considers a p2p game. untill then why would new peeps want to play? is SE goal not to get as many peeps playing their game?

charging this early will make lots of peeps quit, and lots might not come back if they find 1 of the new big mmos coming out in next year fun. this is not the way to keep the game floating in a desperate time like now when the game is on verge of dying off, and has already been deemed a failure, by every big mmo websight online.

if it wasnt for my RL friends i would not be playing till 2.0 if i even came back then. but lucky for SE i got 2 RL friends addicted to their first mmo. i dont want to ruin this exp for them i rember playing EQ for first time and was so addicted myself. but i am not them, im not new to mmos, i know what good mmos have to offer. so im in a place where i dont want to pay for a beta but i proly will just to play with my firends if they decide to stay.

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"Alas, in our happy flock, you're what we call a 'Black Sheep'"

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Originally Posted by Alerith

"Alas, in our happy flock, you're what we call a 'Black Sheep'"

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He must be Black Sheep NM.. KILL HIM! :D.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Wow this thread...

Also math is never "made up" its the only thing that is true, the numbers are merely, dare I say it, representational and honestly do not matter (yes read me correctly, they do not matter; that is the beauty of math when you are merely looking at a + or - percentage; whether the player base is 1 to 1million it doesn't matter what matters are the percentages, percentages, percentages) Also to make a claim that people don't know what they are doing when they show you plain out mathematical fact is just silly.

The information is out there, you can google the average income for all kinds of employees and use those are references, we know that there are 250 employees, we know they probably make 40k a year, we know there are 11 months of billing (not 12; see the .pdf for ref) we know the price is 12.99 full or 6.49 half, the only unknown is x = player base, but if you use the same number for x then it doesn't really matter what x is to get the percents and your gain/loss. I hope all these makes sense to the mass, its not hard math its basic algebra at best and you don't really need a room full of accountants to do it. (lol at whoever made that statement)

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Ahh... Algebra How I love you so... 2x-4=6..... Bring 4 over to 6 by adding 4 to each side... 4's Cancel out.... 6+4=10...

2x=10 Gotta get x by itself... so Divide 2 to each side... 2 cancel out....

x=5 :o

Jokes aside, I agree with your Math Omega ^^

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Originally Posted by Starlord

He must be Black Sheep NM.. KILL HIM! :D.

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Oooh karakul fleece! Get it!

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

ok so its 60%? the whole point is that Yoshi himself considers 2.0 to be the version that is worthy of competing with other MMOs. We get our trial periods then, PS3 users get it then, which is just more evidence that 2.0 should be when they charge us, even at all. I think its perfectly fair to ask for a reduced price until then.

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No.

Wrong again.

This has nothing to do with version 2.0. Now you're putting words in Yoshi's mouth, or otherwise trying to impose your own meaning in what he's saying. It doesn't work that way.

He states, quite clearly, 1.2 is when he feels the game will be at a stage where it's acceptable as a launch-status MMORPG to charge subscriptions.

His statements about subscriptions have nothing to do with version 2.0... your assertions to the contrary notwithstanding.

If you feel it's not worth paying for 'til 2.0, by all means don't re-enable your account and wait 'til 2.0. That's perfectly within your right to do.

But in the meantime, stop spinning, twisting and distorting the facts and what Yoshi himself very plainly says to serve your own personal agenda. Your personal version of what's happening or what should be happening - in your opinion - is not a mandate for SE and does not override nor undermine what Yoshi himself has stated.

Stop making shit up, in other words.

The facts are out there. What Yoshi has stated, very clearly, is out there. That you choose to remain willfully ignorant of it does not change it.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Don't pay if you don't like it. Its amazing how many of you play a game you feel is terrible. Or maybe....just maybe... you're full of it.

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lol indeed.

Isn't it funny how all these self-important people are like "Ohh... but why should I pay to play your game when I can go play others? Hmmmmmm...?"

Simple answer to that: Just like in any other MMORPG, if you don't find the game to be worth the subscription fee, you shouldn't.

I just love all those "ultimatum" remarks to SE.. "Oh, if you don't lower the price or keep it free... I'll go play another game!!!! THEN what will you do?!?!?!"

Answer: They'll continue developing the game and providing updated content for those who are still playing and paying their sub because they enjoy the game.. rather than pretending to hate it after playing it for upwards of 13 months.

I wonder what these people think they have on SE by threatening to quit, bringing up other MMOs, etc? If these people leave, it just means SE will continue to get exactly what they've been getting from these people for up to 13 months: Nothing. What do they have to lose, other than one more person sucking up their bandwidth for free?

It's especially funny to see people like Dragonheart (and some others in these forums) talking about how bad the game is, "awful" this, "incomplete" that... Meanwhile they've been playing the game for months. In Dragonheart's case, he has 5 level 50s, a few 30+ and several others at various levels. Plus, his play history extends - almost uninterrupted, save for ~4 months - all the way back to 9/23/10 - two whole days after the "head start" launch date.

So either Dragonheart is a masochist to have played a game he seems to think so little of over the past 13 months.... Or he's full of crap, like many others carrying on the same way. I'll put my money on option 2.

That's honestly the fun part of reading posts like his... to see how it's the people who've played the longest and achieved quite a bit that seem to complain the most about it "not being worth it", or "not getting what they paid for".

It's like going to a restaurant, getting a large meal, eating the entire thing, leaving barely a crumb on the plate... and then trying to get the bill waived by insisting the meal was horrible, almost inedible.

In both cases - with FFXIV and with the restaurant meal - it sorta sucks any credibility right out of your case.

The only people who seem to be convinced by the doom-and-gloom posts, the hollow threats and the ridiculous ultimatums are the people making them.

It's all really simple... People on here want something for nothing...

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Meanwhile they've been playing the game for months.

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Because it's good enough to play for free.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Because it's good enough to play for free.

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Well that will be going out the door in about 2 months... I would start looking for another game real soon if I were you.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Because it's good enough to play for free.

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If it entertain them for 12-15months...

They can surely enjoy it when its P2P...

It doesn't matter if its free or not...

Point is, It entertains them...

Or else why play it?

A game doesn't magically become not entertaining when fees go up, Sorry it doesn't work like that :/.

It has nothing to do with money or how much it costs

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Because it's good enough to play for free.

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Okay, so if it's not good enough to pay a sub.. then there are plenty of other F2P MMOs out there that they find to be "good enough to play for free" that will never have a sub.

I'd say it's a bit more than just "good enough to play for free" considering how dilligently some of them are fighting to keep it that way. Clearly there are things about the game they enjoy and want to continue playing for, or what would the big deal be? They'd say "Okay, well it was fun while it was free, so now I'll just go find another game".

But that's not quite what they're doing, is it?

Nope, people are stomping, pouting, threatening, demanding, pleading and so on trying to keep it free or substantially discounted...

Why?

Because they enjoy the game, period. They simply don't want to pay and would rather keep getting something for nothing... or at least for very little.

It'll be interesting to see how many of those here who insist they're leaving when subs start actually end up sticking around anyway, proving all their threats, demands and ultimatums to be nothing but hot air.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Okay, so if it's not good enough to pay a sub.. then there are plenty of other F2P MMOs out there that they find to be "good enough to play for free" that will never have a sub.

I'd say it's a bit more than just "good enough to play for free" considering how dilligently some of them are fighting to keep it that way. Clearly there are things about the game they enjoy and want to continue playing for, or what would the big deal be? They'd say "Okay, well it was fun while it was free, so now I'll just go find another game".

But that's not quite what they're doing, is it?

Nope, people are stomping, pouting, threatening, demanding, pleading and so on trying to keep it free or substantially discounted...

Why?

Because they enjoy the game, period. They simply don't want to pay and would rather keep getting something for nothing... or at least for very little.

It'll be interesting to see how many of those here who insist they're leaving when subs start actually end up sticking around anyway, proving all their threats, demands and ultimatums to be nothing but hot air.

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Guaranteed it will be most of them.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Okay, so if it's not good enough to pay a sub.. then there are plenty of other F2P MMOs out there that they find to be "good enough to play for free" that will never have a sub.

I'd say it's a bit more than just "good enough to play for free" considering how dilligently some of them are fighting to keep it that way. Clearly there are things about the game they enjoy and want to continue playing for, or what would the big deal be? They'd say "Okay, well it was fun while it was free, so now I'll just go find another game".

But that's not quite what they're doing, is it?

Nope, people are stomping, pouting, threatening, demanding, pleading and so on trying to keep it free or substantially discounted...

Why?

Because they enjoy the game, period. They simply don't want to pay and would rather keep getting something for nothing... or at least for very little.

It'll be interesting to see how many of those here who insist they're leaving when subs start actually end up sticking around anyway, proving all their threats, demands and ultimatums to be nothing but hot air.

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An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man", "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.[1] The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy,[2][3][4] but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.[5]

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Agreed, this sounds really fair.
Although there is no problem for myself to pay a full fare, but I don't think I will play much until it's fully completed.
Feels like paradox, it's going to be more like investment than a service to me.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man", "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.[1] The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy,[2][3][4] but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.[5]

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Nice quotation job.

Would be even better if it was actually properly used in this case.

It isn't.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man", "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.[1] The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy,[2][3][4] but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.[5]

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Made absolutely no sense

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Sorry you guys are just too funny. You especially wynn.

Let me elaborate. I know these big boy words can be hard on you guys.

Preypacer, you are trying to say that because we want to invest time into our characters that aren't getting wiped come v2.0 (which I and everyone else who has been playing is really looking forward to), we feel that this game is in a position worthy of being billed for.

I can assure you that if there was a character wipe coming around the corner for 2.0, not a single person would be playing right now, let alone paying for it a couple down months the road (barring some extreme fan-boys).

With that being said, your stance is that because we want to keep advancing our characters, that automatically means that we like the game enough to pay for it. That is a logical fallcy

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Sorry you guys are just too funny. You especially wynn.

Let me elaborate. I know these big boy words can be hard on you guys.

Preypacer, you are trying to say that because we want to invest time into our characters that aren't getting wiped come v2.0 (which I and everyone else who has been playing is really looking forward to), we feel that this game is in a position worthy of being billed for.

I can assure you that if there was a character wipe coming around the corner for 2.0, not a single person would be playing right now, let alone paying for it a couple down months the road (barring some extreme fan-boys).

With that being said, your stance is that because we want to keep advancing our characters, that automatically means that we like the game enough to pay for it. That is a logical fallcy .

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regardless of the debate, it has come to this, if you want to advance your charachters, or have fun, or just enjoy logging on to talk to people, whatever the nature of the service you get, then you must choose, is it worth the price they ask or not.

If not, well hey you werent going to pay them anyway. They ran a free service, but that time is over. If you want to play you can pay, if you dont you can leave, if everyone leaves they will probably close the servers. But they would do the same thing if everyone stayed and didnt pay as well, so really its irrelevant. Point is, you are no longer doing them any favors by playing the game for free, and they no longer feel like doing you a favor by letting you play for free.

Some people can argue the price point, and the marketing value of reduced prices, but ultimately, its all just a guess, and SE is going to make that business guess, because at the end of the day thats what businesses do. I personally hope its lower, but i wont try to pretend that i have the right answer, and SE would be crazy to do it any other way.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Sorry you guys are just too funny. You especially wynn.

Let me elaborate. I know these big boy words can be hard on you guys.

Preypacer, you are trying to say that because we want to invest time into our characters that aren't getting wiped come v2.0 (which I and everyone else who has been playing is really looking forward to), we feel that this game is in a position worthy of being billed for.

I can assure you that if there was a character wipe coming around the corner for 2.0, not a single person would be playing right now, let alone paying for it a couple down months the road (barring some extreme fan-boys).

With that being said, your stance is that because we want to keep advancing our characters, that automatically means that we like the game enough to pay for it. That is a logical fallcy .

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As I said before,

If players can play a game for free for 12-15 months..

They can Surely pay to play, because of the simple fact " They enjoy it"

Or else why play something if it merits no entertainment? That's a fact

Also to point out that: " They knew from the Very Beginning, that at some point or another.. this game will become P2P" and yet they continue to play knowing that fact and that fact alone. Why bother Putting all that work into a character in which your not going pay to further its Development?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

As I said before,

If players can play a game for free for 12-15 months..

They can Surely pay to play, because of the simple fact " They enjoy it"

Or else why play something if it merits no entertainment? That's a fact

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He's saying he gets no enjoyment out of it. To him it is just a mindless chore to level his character so that when 2.0 comes out he can enjoy the game with a leveled character. That might be true, but that doesn't make it any less sad or relevant. SE gave him a year to advance his character as he puts it. They don't owe him anything.

I like FFXIV and the new Dev team. I also love where the game is going, but at the same time money is tight right now with college.

If I'm going to drop 12-15 dollars a month on a game I'd rather choose a MMO that's been out for a few years and seen some polish than a half done MMO undergoing a complete overhaul. To me its seems obvious I can get alot more for my money somewhere else than this game could give me regardless of my feelings about the game. It pretty much boils down to how much I enjoy playing and how much I'd be willing to pay for that enjoyment.

Don't get me wrong I love the game, but it still feels unfinished in alot of areas to pay full price. 5-7$ however, I'd gladly pay with no problem since it's cheaper than most other MMOs and I feel I could get enough enjoyment out of it to easily cover the cost.

well....

I bought the collectors edition at launch... fired it up, installed it and spent hours patching..so i gave up and went to work.

When i got back i spent 3 hours wandering around gridania lost, not understanding the UI, journal or well anything really after spending so long playing WoW. I eventually accepted some guildeaves and went off to kill funguar where i repeatedly died due to mobs coming out of the floor/trees/linking. Some mobs i couldnt even target it was so bugged so i quit. What a waste of money.

I was tidying up and found the collectors box and thought hmmm i wonder whats been happening in ffxiv so fired it up. This was 1 day after 1.19 and yes its changed some since i first tried it. I met a nice chap who invited me into his LS and i continue to play.

My highest level is a 21 THM and ive been running about exploring and have discovered so far that the whole levelling process ahead is going to consist of grinding mobs over and over and over. mostly on my own and with no real point in attacking the local fauna.

My point is this:

I really, really, really WANT to love this game because its nothing like WoW, but it seems so lacking in motivation to lvl. With warcraft you quest all the way through so you dont notice the 10k mobs you had to kill, or the 5000 quest items you picked up on the way because you were always moving and every map was different.

Right now i feel the game seems very slow to respond to casting spells, interacting and the UI seems clunky and unresponsive and weirdly alot of actions needed to start something simple. There seems to be delays when i try to mine while my toon fiddles around, twirls like a majorette and then "gets ready to mine".

Another thing is the crafting, whilst fun at first, it gets old real quick. Me spamming enter repeadly for an hour to craft copper bars with standard syth gave me rsi and i havent touched crafting since because this to me was horrendous. There needs to be a better way, like a grind synth thats auto and is guaranteed not to proc an HQ.

I will not be staying when they try to charge for this unless its seriously reduced. I love the concept of 2.0 and if need be i will log off when p2p comes in, then try again in 2013 when 2.0 launches. I'd stretch to a reduced payment, but the same sub as WoW to repeatly zzz kill....the same damn mob over and over again til 50.. well thats a straight NO from me.

Gamers have changed. grinding isnt the only way nowadays.