Did you know they made a sneak patch to A1 this week. Alarums are now invisible to the dps. Apparently they thought the content was too easy.
One of my runs 5 wipes, all from not killing the Alarums... talk about running your head against a wall and hoping it will work.
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10-11-2015, 11:23 PMWhiteroom
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10-12-2015, 04:49 AMxLuciaThey did? On normal or just savage? (or both?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom
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10-12-2015, 05:00 AMGrevenI think she's kiddingQuote:
Originally Posted by xLucia
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10-12-2015, 06:12 AMMaikeruYup, sarcasm at its finest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greven
More random, yet, not really funny stories:
1) WP with a DRG. Said dude was getting close to the trash and auto-attacking most of the time. I called him out. The healer called him out later on. The guy was doing almost no-damage (Watch the emnity bars. Specially on bosses). So we didn't say anything anymore. Before the we engaged the last boss, we kicked him.
2) ANY knucklehead that comes loaded with info from Mr. Happy videos and wants to do THAT ONE STRAT that he/she learned from it. Even if it's outdated/nerfed/echo'd. No. Gotta do it EXACTLY like that one video, making things harder for everybody. I went through a lot of this while I was farming SCOB for glamour back in the day, via DF. -
10-12-2015, 06:54 AMraelaTried A1 today. We wiped at Faust. I have NEVER wiped in A1N Faust before. We almost wiped the second time, then wiped twice on the Opressor before I ragequit. This was after a totally terrible A4 that wiped twice before vote abandon hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom
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10-12-2015, 07:33 AMAvidriaI know you're joking but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom
I lagged out so bad during an A1 the other day that the Oppressors were actually invisible on my screen. I could see all of the spell effects, the alarums, my teammates...but no Oppressors. They just...never reappeared after the last jump. >.> I have no explanation.
Luckily they were already almost dead by that point, heh. -
10-12-2015, 10:04 AMKalsamReminds me of a time I had to tank Twintania when she wasn't appearing on my screen. Oh, how fun that was. Leaving it to my group to say if she was oddly positioned or anything. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Avidria
invisibile Twin! -
10-12-2015, 10:34 AMPArcher
Was doing A3 spam for a spring. A3 hates me, had to do 12 runs this week :(
Anyway, Im on DRK, fairly geared (i198, full STR 190/210 right, mix of i190/200/210 left), and tank the trash like I always do (very few can pull off me when I AoE spam like that). We get to the boss, and the other DRK (mix of 190 and 200, fending and STR) starts whining, saying since he couldn't tank trash he's just going to sit and get carried.
What
Took a bit of time, but he got kicked, got a PLD and cleared in one shot. -
10-12-2015, 11:50 AMWhiteroomHahahah, one of my runs this week almost wiped on Faust. I seriously was almost OOM on him as WHM I was down to like 1.5K MP left, and no Shroud, Assiez, or Pot... I think that was the one that the Oppressor was around 70% when .5 came in. I was crying on the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by raela
I almost gave up, took a couple days off before going back. -
10-12-2015, 12:34 PMRonove
Had a Fractal the other day and I'm healing on SCH. Pug BLM doesn't dodge a single attack during the first boss and obviously I'm getting annoyed. I start watching them to see if they dodge anything and then I realize they are just DPSing with Fire III and Blizzard III with the occasional thunder. Lvl 60 dungeon and like I'm already annoyed because of the not dodging anything but you know, whatever, some people may not have a good feel of their job at 60 right? So I start with the basics and tell him Fire I after Fire III is better so you can get procs. And I say don't be afraid of the new skills you got getting to 60 because while it's daunting with the enochian balancing, it's actually pretty fun! He tells me he knows how to do his job and goes back to the Fire III until near out of mana then Blizz III until full on mana. I just had no words.
Then a little after that, had an Aery run as I'm leveling my tank and realize the bard is not using WM or any of his new skills. So I ask him if he doesn't like it in an attempt to get some conversation (cause wow dungeon runs are boring when no one says a thing) and it just turns out he didn't know what it was because he had lost track of where his bard quest was! I explain to him the pros and cons and tell him about all the other new skills and point him to where his new job quests are and he was happy for the advice and excited for the new skills!
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10-12-2015, 12:49 PMAverax
Another one from earlier today.
I zone into Fractal Continuum as a Scholar.
Group seems normal, so i take the time to inspect my tank and judge how much dps i'll be able to do.
The tank is in crafted sub-60 gear, however the two dps (smn/nin) seem decently geared from my brief inspection, so i decide that my dps may not be necessary.
So we pull the first mob, the tank kites it around the room for some reason. I get frustrated, but i keep healing.
After the first boss, i notice that things are dying extremely slowly, so i take a gander at what the DPS are doing.
First i glance at the SMN, who is applying all his dots... and thats it... he'd apply dots, burn all his aetherflow stacks, and then use deathflare. He was not casting ruin at all, in fact on the next boss fight he actually decided to use tri-bind. He would only occasionally use ruin 3.
So i tell the SMN "Hey, you really need to be using ruin as your filler spell." and for some reason, he takes this as a personal offense, and is pissy with my for the rest of the run, and he still does not cast ruin.
And then, after being so distracted by this, i failed to notice that the ninja was literally drifting in and out of sleep, and it was causing him to ignore some mechanics, he mentioned it after we wiped the first time on the last boss.
The tank tells the NIN to pull it together and pay attention while I have a few words with the SMN about his lack of using ruin among other spells.
The Ninja does not react to the tank until later, however the SMN decides to try to find some fault with me and turn it against me, so he says "Maybe you should be cleansing more isntead of telling me what to do" as i had previously not dispelled a few aetherochemical bombs instantly as they appeared. So i retorted "Well, i'd be able to dispell them faster if i were not forced to pick up the dps you're not putting out". He didn't like that at all.
The tank decides to pull and the SMN says "You know what, it's worth the penalty." and bails mid fight. Needless to say we wiped again.
We got a replacement rather quickly, a machinist. Instead of inspecting them, i decide that they'll probably be better than the SMN no matter what at this point, and I was right. The next attempt went down nearly perfectly, the ninja was coherent through most of the fight, the tank didn't get ripped like a wet paper bag, and the machinist was performing up to par (maybe a little better) as hoped.
We defeated the boss, and finally the ninja decides to react to the tank telling him to get it together. "Hey tank you're a f***t" and then leaves. The tank goes "Dafuq???" and leaves as well. The machinist asked me what the hell went on throughout this whole run, so i regaled her with the horrors i had dealt with over the previous 30 minutes. We had a good laugh, i gave her a commendation, and we parted ways.
I needed to lie down for a few minutes, as that whole ordeal had emotionally drained me. -
10-12-2015, 01:08 PMDtwo
I have one it's old story back 2.0.
I remember my fps was 12 I think, back then I had a old comp, man sastasha was a nightmare mode I was freezing left to right my party was dying and we wipe a lot and disconnected too. so I just stayed out doing fate and side quest after I upgrade better comp. -
10-12-2015, 01:16 PMAskaRay
Just was in Stone Vigil HM.. last boss. I died due to my controller freezing (whoops), the NIN dies right after me.
I'm AST so I just rez and run back....
The NIN and I watch as the WAR and the newbie BRD obliterate the last 3/4 of the boss(es) without us, haha. -
10-12-2015, 02:02 PMSchalaZealIn pre-50 dungeons (but ideally, pre-30), your INT and MND are close in numbers (like 150 vs 250), the benefits of stance-dancing are less clear as your dots still do damage, and if you don't know the tank, better be safe than sorry. Between 31-50, they are still close in numbers (like 200 vs 350), but you should have a bigger HP margin by then, especially as Scholar, to put on and drop Cleric.Quote:
You HAVE TO stance dance Cleric when DPSing as a healer.
So you have to:
1) PERFECTLY know the dungeon to know when you can stop healing for 5+ seconds.
2) Check the tank's gear.
3) Trust the tank (VERY hard in DF).
4) Have Cleric bound on something that's easy and fast to reach.
At 50+ dungeons or trials, the difference is already about 500 (200 mnd vs 700 int), though the dots are not useless, they are slight help only. If the tank does big pulls you won't have time to cleric usually, but on regular pulls you'll be able to stay in cleric the entire time. I haven't tried healing 60 content yet. I know the difference is even bigger (200 mnd vs 1100 int), but I'd still at least apply Bio, Combust, Aero if I had time and MP on big pulls.
But you don't have to stance dance to do enough damage in Halatali and Sastasha. You'll do fine without cleric using your dps skills and the tank, even if geared, will have low HP, not enough time for you to do much. Also macros are nice and all, but it's pretty useful to keep old skills on your bar (even if you move them 'away' from your main skills) and to not just rely on macros for anything. You should be able to dot on the fly for mobs that are almost dead (because sometimes they outlast Ruin 2 and you want to dot many - like Tonberries in WP - yet they won't last enough to apply all 3 dot and bane).Quote:
While I WILL do my absolute best to DPS as a healer when I have downtime, there are days where I am too tired to stance-dance, or my stance-dance button doesn't work, or when I just don't want to switch my cross-class skills to be able to use Cleric...
Healer DPS is a bonus, not a requirement, and you should be happy about healers that DPS, not frustrated with those that don't.
Example for me is the Fractal final boss adds, as Summoner. My single target damage is really bad or costs too much MP, and I won't waste several GCDs using Ruin 2 on them, so I just Bio all of them. A macro wouldn't work if you use Bio II always at first. Btw I also start my dot rotation with Bio always. And I don't macro crafts because they sometime malfunction, skip a step and screw the entire thing, even if they have enough /wait 3 everywhere. -
10-12-2015, 02:06 PMKolainayou forgot to calculate the potency boost given by cleric stanceQuote:
Originally Posted by SchalaZeal
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10-12-2015, 02:36 PMShurrikhan
Ninja spammed Mutilate, no mudras. Tank did only single target combos with a SCH and SMN dpsing.
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10-12-2015, 02:50 PMKalsamSave your Tri-Disaster for these (This also works as a timer for when they're next up, as it's available for each spawn of them). Cast it on whichever is in the middle, Bane. Your dots alone should kill them by the second square if you're at least 175 ilvl. When I run with my friends, the other DPS never touches the adds, since they know my dots will kill them off.Quote:
Originally Posted by SchalaZeal
The only exception is those rare times that the first two spawn on opposite sides/one square apart. He'll then jump that one (as he plays a DRG), and a Ruin 2 finishes it off if he doesn't crit. :D -
10-12-2015, 03:22 PMAzazua_azura
here is a good 2 horror stories, and prolly the poster child of why tanks barely run in DF.
So i was a lvl 23 gladitor and qu'ed up to halatali with my boyfriend who was leveling his dragoon. I haven't tanked all that long after 6 mnth break and on a fresh character who not that geared. I get a whm in the party who i reconize from my server (and a few run in on my previous character). I mark mobs and pull, and he casts aero before i could hit the thing, the smn doing the same as well. Resulting in hate going everywhere. I fully admit i wasn't playing well due to relearning how to play the class/job. The whm then starts to get me to mass pull, and i kindly said no i'm only lvl 23 and not well geared, and stated i haven'tr played the class in a while and very rusty. He then states "its just halatali" and darts forward pulling mobs, i stand there wondering wtf is his issue.
I wasn't trying to be rude, but i was shocked this even was happening, and with the smn casting before i could pull the mobs i was tryting to make sure i hit first or have provoke ready. The smn complained how long the run was taking (it was 3 min into the dungeon) the whm keot ragging on me, and i got fed up with it and called him a sucky whm (which he was he was trying to tank for me) He told me i was a sucky tank, andi said I know i a,m i'm just starting to relearn the class/role. He said that if I was struggling in low level content i should quit the game.
Second story is short mostly today i was running haukke manor and was in a pt with a geared drg (my boyfriend was healing) who more or less just trolling the go ahead and pull/solo mobs said nothing throut the dungeon and we vote kicked him.
bonus story, was in a jp group earlier in haukke who had a whm and dps pull before i could or attack before i could get the mobs set up. And wouldn't stop, not really wanting to deal with it and close my target level, i asked my boyfriend to vote kick me. First time got rejected so i walked to the start and he tried again and it went through, not somerhing i took pride in, but i'm tired of leaving dungeon getting a 30 min penalty because other people want to be rude. (this was right after the vote kick run so mine was on 4 hrs) -
10-12-2015, 03:33 PMRadiantRay
I don't really have any DF horror stories, they've all been pretty much the norm/pleasant. If I do have to one then I can say the people who rage quit Extreme level primals after the 2nd wipe especially those who are new to the fight. You'd think by the time these people get to Ramuh extreme that they'd know they'd be wiping a lot but I guess pretty much everyone gets carried and aren't used to wiping and learning >.>
Actually I feel cleric stance at lower levels is very well worth it since cleric stance gives 10% dmg boost on top of switching your int/mind. Especially as a scholar, they can practically live on cleric stance because of their fairy and low level dungeons hardly requiring much attention from you. I actually get a lot of comments on how fast dungeons are going because my dps when I play lower level content on scholar. As an experienced healer, I'd say that you should always pop cleric stance no matter what level content you're in if you're planning on dpsing, you just do so much more damage. Of course doing so can be more difficult depending on what dungeon you're in and sometimes you can't, but remember the sooner you pop cleric stance the sooner you can get out of it (that mean using cleric stance after a pull, dotting enemies as tank is pulling and so on)Quote:
Originally Posted by SchalaZeal
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10-12-2015, 04:26 PMsirDartsWait WHAT?! You can actually WIPE on Faust in A1N?! HOW?! I have only had one run that was not solohealable, and had to switch out of Cleric for the last 10% due to adds, but every other run I did, I was just sitting in Cleric all Faust long and the other healer was easily able to keep both tanks up AND DPS every now and then...Quote:
Originally Posted by raela
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10-12-2015, 04:43 PMsayafrost
Yesterday I did a few runs in WOD because i really need a piece for glamour, but ok.
Mostly it went ok, aside one wipe at the eye thingie... but what I don't understand and was baffled most of the run was the bard - the bard whenever he had MP had the Army's peony on. ALL THE TIME. And i mean during fights most of the time. I did try to ask them, but they didn't answer, am not sure they understood what I was asking. -
10-12-2015, 04:43 PMFynlar
Happens plenty. I don't know why people keep talking about Alex normal like it's a pushover, because a lot of DF groups make it seem otherwise, and I still get plenty of ragequits and vote abandons in all 4 turns.
To me, pushover content is stuff that even the DF will have a hard time failing. Surprisingly enough, Titan HM, despite being notoriously difficult back in 2.0 days, is something I get a better win rate on than any of the Alex turns nowadays.
Steps of Faith is also there now since the nerf. Never lost it since. Even if someone ends up leaving right at the start (possibly due to not even realizing yet that the fight has been incredibly nerfed) and even when there are multiple screwups, it's really hard to fail this trial nowadays. -
10-12-2015, 04:53 PMsirDartsWell yes, I have seen wipes to Oppressor. That one is not an absolute pushover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
But Faust? It's just a Punching dummy, the only possible danger are the ADDs. I just can't see a wipe to that happening. -
10-12-2015, 04:55 PMxLucia
Here's mine:
I queue up for level roulette on my dragoon. I get Toto Rak. The healer logged off as soon as we got in. We thought he disconnected so we waited 5 minutes for him to come back. When the healer returned, he just stood there. He didn't talk or move and it lasted for about 5 minutes. I started to realize he was just waiting for a vote-kick because he did not want to take the penalty for leaving and he clearly did not care about doing the dungeon, either.
He logged off a second time. This was when the rest of us decided to play around with him, since we were bored. "Nope, we aint kicking him. We'll just go and waste his time, until he decides to either leave and take the penalty or join us in doing the dungeon."
For 30 to 45 minutes or however long it was, the healer kept logging off, coming back on and afk for 5 to 10 minutes, without ever saying a word. But we were persistent and kept trolling him and having a fun time. Eventually the healer gave in and left, taking the penalty (Yay!)
What did we do? We left aswell because after all that we didn't feel like doing it anymore :P -
10-12-2015, 05:20 PMMeimi_chanI had some groups that reached enrage on Oppressor in A1 normal while I was healer (and I was contributing in DPS).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
I decided to not even try to do A4 in DF.
The amusing thing is that he would have spent less time by doing the entire duty. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by xLucia
Good thing is that you had fun anyway. :p
Now for my story:
While leveling NIN, I queue for the leveling roulette in progress and the duty pops immediately saying 2/3.... Mmh. I accept, even if I feared the outcome.
I land in the Aery, only the WAR (new player) was there and soon a BRD joins.
We all sit there waiting for a healer, while my hands are twitching over the DF menu.
At some point the tank says "we will probably never get a healer :/" that's it! This is my cue.
I say "brb", get out of the duty, change to my level 60 WHM and requeue (this time only for the Aery), duty pops immediately and as soon as I enter I say "I am back!".
Let's just say that I got some surprised replies. xD
We killed the last boss without problems, the tank was really happy and even said "it's so easy with a good group! :o" before leaving.
I got 2 commendations, I commended the tank, tho I wish I would have been able to commend the DPS too. -
10-12-2015, 05:22 PMFynlarWhen dps is too low, adds eventually overwhelm the OT, and from that point it's not long before the rest of the group falls over like a stack of dominoes. Even if the MT is being attentive and tries to pick them up he usually cannot, because of the healer aggro that's been built up already, and additionally, death-preventing abilities do not work on the adds (Hallowed Ground does not prevent damage from them, and I'm assuming based on that Holmgang and Living Dead won't prevent you from dying to them either)Quote:
But Faust? It's just a Punching dummy, the only possible danger are the ADDs. I just can't see a wipe to that happening.
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10-12-2015, 05:22 PMAskaRayI hate people who do that...just eat your penalty godQuote:
Originally Posted by xLucia
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10-12-2015, 05:24 PMxLuciaJup. That's the sad part ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by Meimi_chan
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10-12-2015, 05:55 PMFairlyWitchy
This was about maybe a week or two after Heavensward came out so there was still people new to Neverreap.
So there was me(as a WHM), a PLD, and two NINs who entered together. The NINs were new so the tank explained the first boss. We cleared little to no problem but one of the NINs got upset because he wanted to be surprised by everything and not be ruined by knowing how it will go. PLD was confused but didn't comment. Once we we got to the second one tank started to explain and the NIN got upset once a again and NINs vote kicked him. Next tank came in started to explain fight and thus they were kicked.
At that point I just left not wanting to deal with it. -
10-12-2015, 06:09 PMxLuciaLolol i've come across a few of those "don't spoil the fight!" people. I get that you want to "experience" stuff fully for the first time but I don't see any harm in explaining what you need to do. Some people.. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by FairlyWitchy
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10-12-2015, 06:27 PMFluestergras
A friend and I once went to A1N. We head to Faust, both BLMs suddenly log off at the same time, we wipe. We wait some minutes for them to return, but as they didn't, my friend started a votekick. It was declined, we were told that we were in a German 6-man-static (he spoke German and my friend doesn't understand it well, did I mention that I hate people talking in their mother tongue while other people in their group don't understand it?) and the BLMs said via TS that they will return. Hm, TS works but the game doesn't? Kinda weird. We wait some more without anything happening, my friend starts trolling around by pulling Faust and pulling it out of the arena and the like to provoke a votekick as both he and I didn't want to eat the penalty because of those idiots - but nothing happens. Then I started a votekick against him to make this nightmare end - and it's declined. WHAAAAAT! He trolled some more, I started an argument about the fact that I wish to finish the content before christmas, then started another votekick against my friend which was accepted that time. Weird. I left as well and was ashamed to death to live in the same country as those failed attempts of intelligent lifeforms.
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10-12-2015, 06:44 PMShurrikhanI've gotten pretty good at combat typing largely just to adjust well to these players. I supply information as it becomes relevant, so that it pops into their chat logs at about the time they'd be looking around and wondering what to do. If they're already doing it... probably won't notice the text until after. Information may slow just slightly if I'm lagging and going for my 9-hit Berserk, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by xLucia
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10-12-2015, 07:13 PMNalieeI love you. Wish I knew people more like you. What I HATE the most is that people trolling like that and THEN expecting to get kicked(because penalty lol). You guys trolled him harder! <3Quote:
Originally Posted by xLucia
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10-12-2015, 07:14 PMraelaFirst attempt, DRK says she's new but watched a guide and WAR said nothing. DRK waited for pull, WAR stayed in DPS stance, so DRK went for it after a minute. Neither touched adds and they ping pinged around the party. I called the WAR out for being an idiot and they said they did nothing wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirDarts
DRK OT'd the next run and had trouble keeping adds over heal aggro. The dps was very slow, so the out of control adds were threatening the healers (my fairy died). What I can't explain is a monk took significant damage.. Either he pulled aggro off the war in defiance, or he decided to kill adds. -
10-12-2015, 07:58 PMxLuciaAnd we had so much fun doing it! :D :D :D <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Naliee
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10-12-2015, 08:10 PMIzulariaQuote:
Originally Posted by Fluestergras;3365913[..
Not that weird at all. Happens to a friend from time to time as well: Internet connection works fine, but the game refuses to start or just gives him a black screen without the possibility to do anything. Don't know why, but it's not that uncommon. :)
Well, the rest of your post sounds weird, indeed. Maybe they just wanted to troll you and your friend and wanted you to leave? -
10-12-2015, 08:35 PMFluestergrasOkay, then it's just something I don't have any problems with - if I dc, it's not my game that crashed, but the entire internet ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Izularia
Something like this, I guess - don't have any other explanation except maybe MORONS ._.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izularia
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10-12-2015, 08:51 PMIris_BP
New riveting story from DF. Queing for A4N, party seems competent enough. We get to the nisi. People start dying from things, the boss is on 10% health and I'm the last one standing. Here comes my glory moment, I use LB and die ressing everyone else! In 10 seconds everyone is dead again... Disband. Curtain.
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10-12-2015, 09:24 PMSeryne
I was spamming Sohm Al with my daughter(Really FC mate who calls me mom) and FC leader yesterday. Daughter wanted some tank pieces so I figured I could go along as a healer. I went in as an AST for those lovely, lovely card buffs. She's a WAR and FC leader was a BLM. We load in and we get a BRD. I'm thinking "Oh sweet this'll go great!". I was wrong. The BRD was putting out sub par damage and wasn't singing for the BLM as well as running out of TP at an alarming rate. He wouldn't even sing Army's Paeon for himself even though he needed the TP badly. I noticed he wasn't using minuet and kinda got annoyed. I understand some BRDs don't like it. Me personally? I love minuet and get upset when I get synced down so low that I can't use it. We reach the first boss and I aspected benefic my daughter, switch into cleric, and start dpsing. I throw out cards every time I can while dpsing as well. It was then that I noticed I was in third place for damage and the BRD was in fourth with no chance at even pushing himself into third. We clear the boss and that's when I get a chance to look at his gear. He was wearing i120 stuff which is fine for Sohm Al I suppose. I looked at his weapon and it was an Artemis Bow. No not a zenith, or atma, or novus, or nexus. A regular i80 Artemis Bow. I'm guessing my FC leader decided to do the same as I did and he pointed out to the guy that he'd do more damage with a better bow. His response? "Cool I don't care". We told him we cared because he was holding the group back. My daughter even pointed out that she was possibly doing more damage than him and she was in Defiance. His reply "I don't care this is an alt class and I'm only farming the card". FC leader stared a vote kick on him and it obviously went through. We got another BRD and this one didn't use minuet either but he did at least put out more damage than the one we had. After we got out I promptly switched to BRD and all went well in the next run we did.
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10-12-2015, 09:39 PMSelliThis happens to me all the time. My internet has little bumps in quality and sometimes it is enough to kick me out of the game, but not other programs. I also recently started using my voice chat programs on a second machine, so if my main machine randomly shuts off, I still am in contact with people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluestergras