Beastman Strongholds

Any thoughts on where the other strongholds will be?

Heres what im thinking:
Black Shroud - Lasthold
La Noesca - Isles of Umbra

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Any thoughts on where the other strongholds will be?

Heres what im thinking:
Black Shroud - Lasthold
La Noesca - Isles of Umbra

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Black shroud will be off of Nine Ivies and La Nocea will be off of Iron lake . 48,40 in Thanalan fall just east of Broken Water. Too bad, I was hoping they would have implemented these in a new Area..

Popping in to clarify that the Beastman Strongholds will indeed be open world areas and not instanced.

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they kind of seem...small i guess. When i thought of these of course i thought of the FFXI beastmen areas, they were pretty big, lots of detail, had quests/NMs/Missions going with them. These feel like what they look like, some chunk of thanlan closed off by some walls and a few things inside to spruce them up.

I really hope when the map redesign comes they get more elaborate separate zones.

I know it ^^

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

they kind of seem...small i guess. When i thought of these of course i thought of the FFXI beastmen areas, they were pretty big, lots of detail, had quests/NMs/Missions going with them. These feel like what they look like, some chunk of thanlan closed off by some walls and a few things inside to spruce them up.

I really hope when the map redesign comes they get more elaborate separate zones.

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You know...they're only a few screenshots.

Big ups Rukkirii! Thanks for confirming this for all the whiners.

this are really good news, i hope the areas are quite big like fort ghelsba in ffxi

Could we get any word on if this will be in the style of campaign battles or not? :) Thanks

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Originally Posted by Zahak

Could we get any word on if this will be in the style of campaign battles or not? :) Thanks

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It's their stronghold. They are not invading ours.

someone mentioned this a few pages ago but won't everyone in the server be there and we can all kill each others mobs so like every mob will be dead all day and kinda meh? no clue to the size but i too was picturing something huge like in ffxi, davoi was huge, even the campaign battle that looked like this one was huge zone too. lets hope it's not a tiny spot where we are all inch by inch standing next to each other lmao. either way i'm still excited to see. anything new at this point is something to do.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

It's their stronghold. They are not invading ours.

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Err..campaign style worked both ways.

wow pics are awesome mobs look awesome game looks awesome.

putting actaul content in some of those dead areas is a win plus a win IMO. Keep filling up this dead world with content SE im loving every bit of it!!!!

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Originally Posted by weeble

someone mentioned this a few pages ago but won't everyone in the server be there and we can all kill each others mobs so like every mob will be dead all day and kinda meh? no clue to the size but i too was picturing something huge like in ffxi, davoi was huge, even the campaign battle that looked like this one was huge zone too. lets hope it's not a tiny spot where we are all inch by inch standing next to each other lmao. either way i'm still excited to see. anything new at this point is something to do.

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Yes, I also mentioned that the way the regional servers work. Mobs when they pop have a grace period after they pop when they can be truly claimed. Only a few seconds. However, in congested areas this will become a problem with RMT (Depending on where they are located and how close to the servers they are) vs NA, vs EU, and especially vs JP. Claiming will be a bitch for NA or EU players when paired with JP groups.

If the system uses a force pop on the NMs, that will be just fine though. Or perhaps in the Ul'dah stronghold's case the end all goal for that could be a fight against Ifrit. Which I strongly hope will be instanced. There are ways that these strongholds can work and still be open, but they need to be laid out a certain way in order to have equal and fair competition.

I hope those wall mounted dwellings are actually incorporated into playable space.

I have a feeling this Fort will have a cave system in it.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Yes, I also mentioned that the way the regional servers work. Mobs when they pop have a grace period after they pop when they can be truly claimed. Only a few seconds. However, in congested areas this will become a problem with RMT (Depending on where they are located and how close to the servers they are) vs NA, vs EU, and especially vs JP. Claiming will be a bitch for NA or EU players when paired with JP groups.

If the system uses a force pop on the NMs, that will be just fine though. Or perhaps in the Ul'dah stronghold's case the end all goal for that could be a fight against Ifrit. Which I strongly hope will be instanced. There are ways that these strongholds can work and still be open, but they need to be laid out a certain way in order to have equal and fair competition.

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They already announced Ifrit will be instanced.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

They already announced Ifrit will be instanced.

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Kay that's great. So, we'll focus on how the rest will play out. Honestly, if open it can end being a hot mess.

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Originally Posted by weeble

someone mentioned this a few pages ago but won't everyone in the server be there and we can all kill each others mobs so like every mob will be dead all day and kinda meh?

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Not all day, only the first week

Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere but have these strongholds been confirmed to be rank 50 content? I only ask because SE seems to have been developing content for a large number of rank ranges and not just the top end.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Kay that's great. So, we'll focus on how the rest will play out. Honestly, if open it can end being a hot mess.

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A lone gladithaumapugicon stands triumphant, holding his magical sword in the air to declare his victory, whilst around him lay the scattered remains of burnt lalafell.

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Originally Posted by JDR388

Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere but have these strongholds been confirmed to be rank 50 content? I only ask because SE seems to have been developing content for a large number of rank ranges and not just the top end.

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Based on the location of the Camp at 48,40 east of Broken Water you can pretty much count these as 45-55 content.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Yes, I also mentioned that the way the regional servers work. Mobs when they pop have a grace period after they pop when they can be truly claimed. Only a few seconds. However, in congested areas this will become a problem with RMT (Depending on where they are located and how close to the servers they are) vs NA, vs EU, and especially vs JP. Claiming will be a bitch for NA or EU players when paired with JP groups.

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That is really not the way regional servers work, I guess you never played FFXI. NA linkshells constantly got pulls over JP groups, and botting while a serious problem does not make legitimate pulling impossible it simply removes human error and in the case of packet sniffing software the guesswork, which is why it was cheating. I never once used a bot in XI and I got pulls over bots, even Japanese bots (even Megabot Defender of the Galaxy) constantly. We are talking about a completely different pop system too, one which had well defined windows and dozens of players all trying to get the pull for hours at a time. This game has randomized pops within small windows, it is incomparable in terms of how much of an inconvenience it would be for you not to get the pull.

Still, you are greatly over exaggerating the "advantage" the JP players have due to server location.

I would just like to point out that the Claiming system in LOTRO is exactly what they intend to implement into this game where in the Claimer reaps all rewards but anyone can kill the mob. So far, in that game, it has been a non-issue.

It is safe to say, outside of the dual-boxers and the people who got begged into PLing by their friends this will almost never rise as an issue.

As to the point of mass invasion of the area, that will likely work in the favor of all involved because if people are helping others kill, kills will be fast, xp will be plentiful, and the NM will be teamed. If you don't want help in your fights and you like the challenge, just give it a week.

I hope there are some patrols, too. Beastmens who patroling specific paths (alone or in a group of 3)

And don't forget, there are many beastmens. Attack the false and all the other bestmens are coming to help the comrade with the new link feature ^^

haha not instanced, hilarious, due to new claiming system these will not be challenging at all because even if you wanted to duo/trio them you wont be able to for some time as people will just pound through them in masses of like 100 lol for first month then it will be like 10-20 people pounding through them, or maybe more since theres nothing else to do anyway.

like the idea but its much better to save this stuff until you can pop out like 20 strongholds so people spread out.

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Originally Posted by viion

haha not instanced, hilarious, due to new claiming system these will not be challenging at all because even if you wanted to duo/trio them you wont be able to for some time as people will just pound through them in masses of like 100 lol for first month then it will be like 10-20 people pounding through them, or maybe more since theres nothing else to do anyway.

like the idea but its much better to save this stuff until you can pop out like 20 strongholds so people spread out.

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I highly doubt this. Just like pretty much all other content that's new, a bunch of peeps with no life will mob these things hard for about a week, and then get bored and go back to bitching about how this game sucks. Then the rest of us will, just as right now, go about enjoying the crap out of it.

The idea that 100 people are going to get together and mob the thing on a regular basis is not credible. It's hard enough to get a party of 8 together in this game consistently, let alone one's whole LS...

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Originally Posted by Murugan

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Still, you are greatly over exaggerating the "advantage" the JP players have due to server location.

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We had no advantage over western players unless you get technical and realize that in 2001-2003 people still mainly used Dial-up out west due to broadband being highly expensive, however XI was designed (and still is) for dial-up connections, so barely 0.1ms better latency isn't enough to give an advantage over someone located out of Japan, unless your country in general is known to have issues connecting with Japan.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

I highly doubt this. Just like pretty much all other content that's new, a bunch of peeps with no life will mob these things hard for about a week, and then get bored and go back to bitching about how this game sucks. Then the rest of us will, just as right now, go about enjoying the crap out of it.

The idea that 100 people are going to get together and mob the thing on a regular basis is not credible. It's hard enough to get a party of 8 together in this game consistently, let alone one's whole LS...

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Im not saying 100 will get together, what im saying is

1 Stronghold in 1 area
No claim system
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1000 people online (or however many there are) aka entire server

So its not even about getting people together, the entire server is going to bash them, and even when everyone begins to stop, as there is still nothing else to do in game they will be at least 10-20 people still bashing these. So wonder if they've been "optimized" for that, like they said they balanced the crap out of dungeons, look how that turned out lol.

Hopefully they will post more in the next coming days but unless they pop out 20 from no where and just say have 2, people will just go to the "best" one. Like r45 dung.

Plus it was already reported by Yoshi himself that this 'server lag' isn't because of the servers, it's a problem with the animation packages.

They are working on fixing this post-1.19.
Yoshi also said that.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Black shroud will be off of Nine Ivies and La Nocea will be off of Iron lake . 48,40 in Thanalan fall just east of Broken Water. Too bad, I was hoping they would have implemented these in a new Area..

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Why do you say that? Treespeak (which is near Lasthold) is an R40 area like Broken Water. Bald Knoll (which is near Isles of Umbra) is also an R40 area.

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Originally Posted by viion

Hopefully they will post more in the next coming days but unless they pop out 20 from no where and just say have 2, people will just go to the "best" one. Like r45 dung.

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But the fullest is not always the best

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Originally Posted by viion

Im not saying 100 will get together, what im saying is

1 Stronghold in 1 area
No claim system
vs
1000 people online (or however many there are) aka entire server

So its not even about getting people together, the entire server is going to bash them, and even when everyone begins to stop, as there is still nothing else to do in game they will be at least 10-20 people still bashing these. So wonder if they've been "optimized" for that, like they said they balanced the crap out of dungeons, look how that turned out lol.

Hopefully they will post more in the next coming days but unless they pop out 20 from no where and just say have 2, people will just go to the "best" one. Like r45 dung.

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They have three, this is 3-4 month old information that has been repeated numerous times why don't you just stop posting trolling if you know absolutely nothing about what you are posting on.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

They have three, this is 3-4 month old information that has been repeated numerous times why don't you just stop posting trolling if you know absolutely nothing about what you are posting on.

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they said there was going to be 3 dungeons and even posted a screen shot of a dungeon that did not even arrive lol so it was delayed until 1.19 or 1.20 or w/e they decide to add more.

I dont care much for content coming in a patch in the next decade, only the next patch.

And 3 is still too low...

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Originally Posted by viion

they said there was going to be 3 dungeons and even posted a screen shot of a dungeon that did not even arrive lol so it was delayed until 1.19 or 1.20 or w/e they decide to add more.

I dont care much for content coming in a patch in the next decade, only the next patch.

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Really you have a source for that? No? I didn't think so, because like all your posts you pulled it directly out of your own body.

There was always going to be just 2 confirmed instanced raids in 1.18, we knew this months before the patch hits (just like we have known about the content being released in 1.19 since pre-July) and as it got close to the patch they released video/pictures of one. They have outlines of what is in 1.19, their recent update on beastman strongholds SAYS that it is only one of them, this thread states many times that there are three. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.] who rather than reading anything so you might be halfway informed about the topic being discussed jumps at the opportunity to give us your opinion regardless.

And the thread started off so well too...

There's always one.

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Originally Posted by viion

they said there was going to be 3 dungeons and even posted a screen shot of a dungeon that did not even arrive lol so it was delayed until 1.19 or 1.20 or w/e they decide to add more.

I dont care much for content coming in a patch in the next decade, only the next patch.

And 3 is still too low...

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Your being ridiculous. The rate and size of the content they are putting out is well above what any other company can do.

These are not even dungeons. They are beast-man settlements. Areas full of beast-man that you can fight in mass. There may be a high level Mob inside at release but these are just the kind of fundamental structures they need to add to the game so they can build content.

This is more like environment than dungeon content.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

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Wow you getting really angry hahah. If you say so!

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Your being ridiculous. The rate and size of the content they are putting out is well above what any other company can do.

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.................... really not, so many companies have done so much in a very short time. Pulling content and stuff like this in just general weekly patches lol. SE is extremely slow compared to the modern MMO.

I expect more, I always will, dont like that? Ignore me or deal with it =D

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Originally Posted by viion

they said there was going to be 3 dungeons and even posted a screen shot of a dungeon that did not even arrive lol so it was delayed until 1.19 or 1.20 or w/e they decide to add more.

I dont care much for content coming in a patch in the next decade, only the next patch.

And 3 is still too low...

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"More beastman strongholds and numerous other notorious monsters aside from those mentioned above will descend to plague Eorzea come patch 1.19. Adventurers are urged to keep their weapons honed and armor sound ahead of this mounting threat."

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Originally Posted by Tremain

"More beastman strongholds and numerous other notorious monsters aside from those mentioned above will descend to plague Eorzea come patch 1.19. Adventurers are urged to keep their weapons honed and armor sound ahead of this mounting threat."

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About as promising as "20 fierce notorious monsters will come!" No more than achievement pets. about as promising as "Dungeons will be a challenge!".

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Originally Posted by viion

.................... really not, so many companies have done so much in a very short time. Pulling content and stuff like this in just general weekly patches lol. SE is extremely slow compared to the modern MMO.

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Uh.. No, there is no MMO in existence that puts out multiple dungeons, environmental overhauls, UI upgrades, and Class adjustments, multiple quests, major story components, brand new systems and Fundimental Stat reforms on a weekly basses. It is literally not possible. I work on MMO. As in, they pay me to make them. It takes well over a month just to plan and build a 60 minute raids. That doesn't include testing and adjustments.

Meanful content at the rate SE is working is unheard of in the industry.