Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

Please, Please make the intercessory zone a sanctuary just like Dragonhead is.

for my 5 cents...

The Ending really sucks for me. It's enough having a 1st one in 1.0 (albeit cool cinematics), which I play thoroughly. Now, not only we get another bad ending, it also left me with feeling back where I started when I first starting 1.0, but not in a good way.

Seeing that ending makes me suddenly lose interest of doing anything else. Makes me really consider going back to Vana'diel instead.

Not even sure I'll be looking forward for Heavensward given these circumstances, especially when 2.55 became 2.0 major conclusion.

From Zero... to Hero, and from Hero... back to Zero.

Which quest shows Yugiri's face? Don't wanna watch all cutscenes after Steps of Faith atm

/10charsomgwhy

All I have to say is THANK YOU! The ending to this part of the story was wonderful! So exciting. :) I can't wait for Heavensward.

Really meh about it. It was okay, but a lot of it was extremely obvious. It was just one thing after another happening as expected. There were a couple surprises though:

Raubahn slashing up that stupid lalafell, thank god

They left a lot of things ??? for the expansion, kinda annoying. Probably to get people to buy it I guess? I felt a lot more fulfillment and interest in FFXI's storylines than this. I really hate the overarching politics theme on top of it.

Also, I'm getting tired of the "this guy is your friend, but maybe he's not, OMG HE'S THE ENEMY wait no j/k maybe he's not" bouncing around garbage. It was cool the first couple times, but it just keeps on happening. The suspense and surprise of these things happening has lost all meaning because they just keep doing it.

Tons of unanswered questions, extremely convenient plot occurrences... etc. This was not interesting. It seems like it was just huge bait to get people to buy Heavensward to figure out what happened.

the only thing that i still dont understand is why Merlwyb and Kan-E-Senna , fleed away ...i was ....what???????? , next time some primal comes.... hope u dont ask for help ¬¬

hope limsa and grindania does something come 3.0 to help Raubahn and uldah...

the whole Eorzea "united" went to hell ....whats going to happen with Omega weapon ? ,plus now we are on our own , no longer form part of scions or crystal braves....

tataru side story rocked btw ,the carbuncle cutscene was funny ^^

Oh yeah, also, I think helping that scholar guy was the biggest waste of time and probably the worst part of the entire game's story. There was just literally no need to make us drag on doing that.

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Originally Posted by Zanju

hrrmmm.....

so i'm pretty sure at least Yda is still alive. in the previous quest with her, rowena makes a comment about her "old mask" or some such. then Yda later comments that it isn't the first time she's heard this from rowena... later still her mask is shown broken.

the mask is Chekhov's gun, she is still alive, and will probably come back with a new costume. i don't think they wouldn't have pointed it out so obviously otherwise.

at least that's how i choose to interpret it

epic patch finale

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Yeah I think Yda will survive, I'm not sure about the others though,
especially Y'shtola. Casting Holy as a Conjurer isn't good for your health. But then again she has used some pretty strong spells in the past so maybe she is ok.

I need HEAVENSWARD RIGHT. NOW.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

the only thing that i still dont understand is why Merlwyb and Kan-E-Senna , fleed away ...i was ....what???????? , next time some primal comes.... hope u dont ask for help ¬¬

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[SPOILER] Don't forget both Merlwyb and Kan-E-Senna knew about the Sultana's desire to set Ul'dah free from the monarchy, since a private meeting they had in a previous patch. It wouldn't make sense for two nation leaders, only accompanied by a bodyguard each one, to start a fight against the whole city's army + Crystal Bearer's army.
If they are to really help the Sultana to accomplish her last wish, it's better for them to return to their city and lend us their help in a future. As far as I know, only three people knew about the Sultana's intention, let's not get them all killed.

Also, as Merlwyb stated, every nation leader's priorities are: Their own nation > Allied nation > Ishgard and the rest. They won't get killed all by themselves by boldly joining a foreign war.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

the only thing that i still dont understand is why Merlwyb and Kan-E-Senna , fleed away ...i was ....what????????

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They have their own city states to consider. This was an internal Ul'dah affair - they are not privy to all the information you have from your point of view.

And we are still part of the scions - kinda get the feeling that will never really change. We are just operating the same way we did after the garlean attack on vesper bay. Urianger is also still there.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Yeah I think Yda will survive, I'm not sure about the others though,
especially Y'shtola. Casting Holy as a Conjurer isn't good for your health. But then again she has used some pretty strong spells in the past so maybe she is ok.

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That wasn't Holy, the spell animation was off - although it did look like Holy. Besides it's a white mage spell..

It was clearly the Holiest of Holies.

I have to say SE: wow, just wow. That ending was awesome and I really hope you guys keep this up!

This "ending" made me actually feel more emotion to characters that before I was just a bit meh in my opinion of them.
The sultana- I've never really felt much for her before; as a leader she basically relied on Raubahn as her right-hand man and therefore did not appear strong enough in her own right to be leading Ul'dah. But, when she was poisoned and the way the cutscene was handled.... well I actually felt sad for her and was like "noooooo!".
I am utterly disappointed in the other leaders for not standing with Raubahn and for the sake of diplomacy just leaving the party. Being allied to Ul'dah I've never particularly liked the other leaders; when they stood together at the end of 1.0 I had some respect for them. Now.... not so much. They should have helped. I know why they didn't.. but still :(

I am itching now to find out what happened to the Scions. I believe they all survived; I think Minfilia will "save" Thancred and Y'shtola with some power invested in her from Hydaelyn. Yda is just badass and so I think she and Papalymo will be able to overcome all odds and escape/beat ten tonnes of **** out of the guards. All of the Scions' sacrifice for ultimately making sure we survive was really touching. As for Thancred taking an arrow to the knee.... haha well played SE! :)

I am not convinced that Urianger is a traitor yet. It is his research that provided the means to create a weapon and prove that Ascians can be prevented from being immortal, plus his good friend Moenbryda died for the cause. But, was Moenbryda's death enough to turn him to a darker side? It would seem like such a waste if he did.

I cannot wait until Ilberd gets what he deserves... please let us help Raubahn kick his backside in the new expansion ! I want to wipe that smirk off his face... and maybe chop off one of his arms too. >.>

A lot of questions remain after these cutscenes, but that's what keeps us playing.. to find out what happens and how we further shape the future of Eorzea. Don't let us down in Heavensward SE!

Above defeating the Ascians, above saving Ishgard, my hopes right now are for vengeance against the traitors and that we will see our scion friends once more.

First Moenbryda, then Nanamo. I'm sick of good characters dying, SE. Please throw me a bone here.

I loled when...

The Waking Sands get the special magic to stay safe just so we can have it for reporting back on the Extreme Primal quests.

And I literally raised my voice and hailed...

Ciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid! Oh you always come when we need a getaway! (Images of Cid waving from the airship in Nintendo graphics.)

But of all people, I did not want to start Heavensward with that one...I was thinking maybe...

Nanamo would secretly leave Ul'dah and join us in Heavensward or something. I guess she had to die to make for the Dark Knight job, and the Dark Knight unlock quest would be to break Raubahn out of Ul'dah or something.

Which brings me to the question...what is going to happen to Immortal Flames? I mean seriously, you don't really expect to keep it like this for the rest of 3.0 do you? The whole Immortal Flames knows that we were framed and that Raubahn is locked up...I would seriously leave Immortal Flames if they are just left hanging there in 3.x.

But still, why? WHY? WHY?

Why did you have to kill Nanamo?! You devils!

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Above defeating the Ascians, above saving Ishgard, my hopes right now are for vengeance against the traitors and that we will see our scion friends once more.

First Moenbryda, then Nanamo. I'm sick of good characters dying, SE. Please throw me a bone here.

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Oh, I doubt Moen is dead... Think about it, they introduce a new character who is apart of the main group of protagonists who only lasts a few patches worth of story, no, she'll be back... But she'll be different.

Just finished the story and all i can say is "wow wtf!? i gotta wait till june to see wut happens!?" seriously great story and definitely kept me captivated and wanting more.

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Originally Posted by ruskie

They have their own city states to consider. This was an internal Ul'dah affair - they are not privy to all the information you have from your point of view.

And we are still part of the scions - kinda get the feeling that will never really change. We are just operating the same way we did after the garlean attack on vesper bay. Urianger is also still there.

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The problem is that they promised Nanamo that they would help if something happened. Yet they abandoned both Raubahn and the Scions. I'm pretty sure that they knew that anything that the monetarists said about the people that have helped them countless times was a lie. They least they could have done was making a protest in the name of the Aliance.

As far as I'm concerned, Nanamo and Raubahn have always tried to go the extra mile when someone has needed Ul'dah's help, be it the refugees, the domans, or the defense of Ishgard. They had their hands tied and Ul'dah has their own problems too, but still they tried to help and support as much as they could. I can't say the same about Gridania and Limsa, usually.

Eorzea has lost a lot this day.

/morethan10char

lalafells...

First quests of Heavensward

We speak with the Amal'ja and provide them with masses and masses of crystals to summon Ifrit (Hyper) and they lay waste to Ul'Dah and the moneterists all to show you don't mess with the Scions without whom Ul'Dah would have been destroyed by Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke

For those screaming "Who didn't see that coming!? Are you all blind!?", you MUST take into account that we, the player, are being allowed to see things that the characters themselves are not. This even goes for our own character. It would be silly and stupid for all the characters in the game itself to somehow automatically suspect all the things we suspect. Thou must learn the meaning of the art of story telling and how each character sees things individually from us viewers if thou insists on thinking it was so easy of a trap to spot.

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Yeah, because it's not like we didn't see anything suspicious in the events at all...

Yep... our character totally didn't see that phial. And all the important world leaders were totally not in one place at the same time. And we totally didn't suspect anything suspicious when we were pulled away from such an important meeting to find someone who never turned up. Totally non suspicious.

But seriously, the minute I picked up that phial we KNEW something was going down. We KNEW poison was involved, we just didn't know who. My original thought was that the food at the banquet was poisoned, but even so I would have ensured that NO ONE enjoyed drink or food until the matter was resolved. But nope, my Lalafell has to be a world-class level of stupid and not inform anyone. Seriously?

I think that's one of the biggest red flags around, and if my character didn't see it coming she's as blind as a mole in sunglasses.

i wonder if shiva was nidhogg's lover?

I also wander if Nidhogg is using his powers to manipulate Iceheart? She certainly had that crazy evil laugh

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Originally Posted by myahele

i wonder if shiva was nidhogg's lover?

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Well, it would be an awkward honeymoon, that's for certain.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Well, it would be an awkward honeymoon, that's for certain.

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"What...big fangs you have, honey!"
"My eyes are up here."
"But I thought you lost one?"
"..."

Also, I assume no one bothered talking to Alphinaud after the final cutscene judging by most reactions. Between that and some of the comments I've read I haven't seen for myself, the PC is basically completely safe to do whatever as usual because, between your heroism to the masses and the need to not have Ul'dah break out into a massive war zone, no one is actually going to do anything to you specifically.

Alphinaud's not so lucky, though.

Also, while understandable that they did, I'm amused they listed Louisoix's VA in the credits. Being only up to T8, I hadn't known we actually got to hear him talk.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Yeah, because it's not like we didn't see anything suspicious in the events at all...

I think that's one of the biggest red flags around, and if my character didn't see it coming she's as blind as a mole in sunglasses.

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I totally agree with you. I mean,

We never told Aulphinaud (however you spell his name) that there were suspects of traitors in the ranks? I mean... he had NO IDEA... We did... we suspected... and we said... NOTHING?! I mean... maybe we have no names to give but it's something worth saying, you know?
As soon as I saw the vial... and Nanamo told us about her plans... I was screaming... don't you dare let her drink that wine.

WHY THE HELL CAN'T OUR CHARACTER GET ANGRY?! I have never seen our character get angry and fight for themselves. I don't mean go berserk like Rauban, but for the love of god at least we could grow a backbone we're supposed to be a hero and we let people push us around! Are we really just errand boys for the plot NPCs? If this continues man, I feel like I'm going to just skip all the cutscenes and do the content that I like because the story doesn't reflect the way *I* feel I should be reacting.

And seriously... I'm a white mage. Why couldn't I raise her? =p (I am somewhat joking here.)

Anyway... I seriously want some heads on a plate and I seriously hope you don't disappoint! >:(

Maybe going in to those cutscenes as a ninja wasn't the brightest of ideas.

you know cause ninjas do assassinations, like on that ul'dah lalafell ruler.

I can't help but assume that we don't fight because, amongst other things, people wielding books aren't actually all that terrifying.

And I don't know about you, but my AoE isn't exactly stellar for taking people out fast.

Betrayal from an unlikely quarter; theories.

When the vial was revealed to be damning evidence against us, my heart fell. Momodi was quite specific about keeping it on our person - something we would have discarded as irrelevant otherwise. As it wasn't addressed at this point, I'm presuming her betrayal will be addressed in 3.0.

#DarksteelFoilHat

Unless it's a double-bluff that Momodi and Lolorito are in on (and Kan-E-Senna/Merlwyb as Blaon highlighted above). Nanamo states she wishes to abdicate and then does so in a very subtle way. I'm pretty sure Teledji was innocent of arranging it; he seemed sincere in his denial when he didn't need to be - it was the mysterious handmaiden (shown to be in the service of Lolorito) who alerted him to the 'poisoning' after all. We were to take the fall and be imprisoned/rescued to get us out of the public eye too.

However, Nanamo didn't anticipate Raubahn losing it, killing Teledji and himself being mutilated (I'm fully expecting Raubahn to get a Garlond Ironworks arm upgrade early on in Heavensward). Perhaps she wasn't aware of issues within the Crystal Braves which came to a head as part of a separate plan by Teledji. It would explain why the other GC leaders bricked it and left.

If all this were the case, Nanamo's abdication would be less a dereliction of duties and more about going undercover to solve an issue that was plaguing her deeply that she couldn't do as Sultana. Presumably something to do with Omega Weapon? Though tbf I'm not sure on that, having completely ignored Frontlines so far.

Also, Yda will return in 3.0 and 'finally' get a new mask from Rowena. That cutscene will be cheesy as hell.

What "others" could he mean? We only saw Raubahn.

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Part of me wonders about what Lolorito was actually expecting from all of this, because he didn't seem to happy at the end. Something must've not played into his hands properly, but considering he was reacting to the handmaiden's "It's done" comment, it can't be the PC escaping...

Unless he had a hand in that somehow, but I can't imagine *how* he would be able to.

Well... killing people who are accusing you of murder is probably not the best way to prove you're innocent :p

If Lolorito was behind it all along, then he is a real mastermind ! Sultana is dead, the nosy Scions are out, Raubahn went nuts and politically killed himself while removing the non-discreet Teledji... There stands Lolorito, at the top of the Syndicate, top of Ulda'h with merely Godbert as an opponent now. (Raubahn's son doesn't have his father's influence yet)

Beware of Lalafells...

Speaking of which... Didn't Tataru seem strange to you in some cutscenes ? She was with Minfillia's mother, but Yugiri didn't speak of the Miqo'te.

Anyway great finale ! I really laughed when I saw Thancred taking an arrow in the knee :p and Y'shtola and her kind of "terra-holy"... Next time we have to fight a Primal, I want someone like her by my side !

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If Lolorito was behind it all along, then he is a real mastermind ! Sultana is dead, the nosy Scions are out, Raubahn went nuts and politically killed himself while removing the non-discreet Teledji... There stands Lolorito, at the top of the Syndicate, top of Ulda'h with merely Godbert as an opponent now. (Raubahn's son doesn't have his father's influence yet)

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I think Lolorito was behind the assassination, but I don't know if he wanted Taledji to die or Raubahn to get arrested, he didn't seem too happy about Raubahn killing Taledji perhaps he knows that he cannot rule alone, we know how much the common people hate the Syndicate, the common people would have much preferred Nanamo to rule alone rather than have the syndicate. Perhaps Lolorito knows that it will be hard to control the populace especially when they all learn of Nanamo's death.

With the entire syndicate though ruling would have been much easier.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Also, while understandable that they did, I'm amused they listed Louisoix's VA in the credits. Being only up to T8, I hadn't known we actually got to hear him talk.

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I can see that you never ventured far into final coil, since he has considerate amount of involvement there. Like quite major revelation. If you're unable to progress coils, there's youtube. lol

So do we have to use the spoiler tags in this thread, considering it is marked as a place for spoilers? It sorta feels redundant but... just in case...

So did anyone else get a sick feeling as soon as your character picked up that phial? I was actually relieved when Chione showed it to Momodi, but fat lot of good that did in the end. Plot hole or intent?

This is the big problem with a story on rails. Even if you see it coming a mile away and don't care for it, you have to either keep going or stop playing. So I came away feeling mild discontent. It just don't sit well with me how useless my character was, and maybe that's how they wanted it to be, but ugh. I suppose I can take small comfort that the npcs I worried most about are confirmed survivors. My sympathies to those who's favorites are in limbo.

As for Urianger, I'm hoping that its the fella in white who's thinking to betray his boys and not our Shakespearean Elezen. Enough is enough.

so how do we use spoiler tags on here anyway

The spoiler tags are redundant. I think that applies to spoilers in other threads.

My favorite was put into limbo back in 2.5, and the musical cues told me I was supposed to be happy about never seeing him again. Because his blood took over and told him that thermonukes can also be used to warm orphanages, or something. Well, screw that!

/nod

Wait, what?

Oh, but if Minfillia tries to pull a stunt like that, then I get all protective? Not that I wanted her to go, but I do wish they wouldn't leave my character a cipher only to try and dictate my emotional state in moments like that. A little consistency wouldn't hurt, either.

Actually, it struck me how similar the CT ending was to this latest story, but I'm still not sure if that actually means anything. Guess I could always just ask Yoshi-P directly...

The handmaiden's reporting shows obvious involvement, but I think things didn't all turn out the way he wanted. Although he ends up being a benefactor of the situation, maybe he wanted something more than just Ul'dah.

It feels like this whole plot is a mix of multiple conspiracies intertwined, each independent to each other yet all acting on the same groups of people, finally culminating in much more severe escalation than each one expected.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

I can't help but assume that we don't fight because, amongst other things, people wielding books aren't actually all that terrifying.

And I don't know about you, but my AoE isn't exactly stellar for taking people out fast.

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If you saw a person with a book that shot laser balls at people, you might be singing another tune...