Don't do chaotic raid again

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

The fact that you can clear a tier on content after months of approaching it casually definitely does make it midcore.

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The fact that you need determination and months of practice to clear makes it more hardcore, especially if you are a weaker player. You stating otherwise does not make it true.

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Unreal and extreme are on the lower end of midcore, maybe the top end of casual. You can go in blind and clear in a couple of lockouts (or a couple of pulls in the case of Byakko). If you're unsure as to whether unreal and extreme are midcore, the problem here is your definition of midcore.

"Drop-in" content is casual content, not midcore content. Midcore requires some, but not a lot of, commitment. Midcore content is content that you can chip away at without having to spend much time optimising. Unreal, extreme and savage are midcore content.

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That is all your own definition of what you think defines midcore content.
I never said that I was "unsure" if this is midcore or not, I said it was debatable. Especially considering "midcore" has never been defined, and everyone has their own expectations of what constitutes this.

I think the exploration zone starting in x.1 at the latest would probably help. If you're a casual player who enjoys battle content, I have no idea what you're supposed to do in XIV. Roulettes?

Lets stop normalizing "grind = good." Grind doesn't make content good. Grind exists purely so you play more. At least half the people BEGGING for grind right now will complain when the grind returns. (Assuming they've already done the grinds the game has to offer?)

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Originally Posted by ovIm

The fact that you need determination and months of practice to clear makes it more hardcore. Only dedicated, ambitious players will find it in their will to dedicate months of their gaming time for four bosses. You stating otherwise does not make it true.




That is all your own definition of what you think defines midcore content.
I never said that I was "unsure" if this is midcore or not, I said it was debatable. Especially considering "midcore" has never been defined, and everyone has their own expectations of what constitutes this.

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You actually don't need determination or months of practice though. You need a group of people who enjoy playing the game. I know a group who started Arcadion on week 1 and they're still progging M4S because they just don't take it seriously at all. They'll clear in the next couple of weeks and they're anything but dedicated or ambitious, lmao.

IDK what you think savage is but I can assure you it isn't that.

Casual = low commitment
Hardcore = high commitment
Midcore = somewhere between the two

It isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

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Originally Posted by Lilapop

Lets stop normalizing "grind = good." Grind doesn't make content good. Grind exists purely so you play more. At least half the people BEGGING for grind right now will complain when the grind returns. (Assuming they've already done the grinds the game has to offer?)

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Grind is fine as long as the content is enjoyable and has replay value.

i.e. Eureka and Bozja are fun. Collecting 20k accursed hoard is not fun.

I agree, grind is fine. Grind can be fun, even. But the people objectively saying grind will fix the "content drought" are simply delusional.

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Originally Posted by Lilapop

Lets stop normalizing "grind = good." Grind doesn't make content good. Grind exists purely so you play more. At least half the people BEGGING for grind right now will complain when the grind returns. (Assuming they've already done the grinds the game has to offer?)

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If grind is wholly synonymous with poorly designed and no interest then you would have a point. But if grinds are embedded in content that is good, or at the very least has a sense of community and collaboration behind it, with some form of progression, then it is not a problem.

Grinds being normalized is fine as long as the content has either of those things. Besides, if I am honest a grind in and of itself is healthy for an MMO. It's far worse for a game to have no longstanding goal for players to achieve outside of logging in once or twice a week for rewards.

the problem is how most people look at difficulty from a way too personal point of view.
people struggling in dungeons calling trials and a-raids midcore content. and people who do ultimates and say extrems are casual content.
why is it so difficult for so many people to look above their own experiences?

but oh well i dont think we should discuss that topic here. its a tiresome one and we wont come to a conclusion.

i do think though its good how people who dont even do extrems try out this content. call it whatever difficulty you may feel it is or isnt.
sure it might be frustrating for some but there may also be some who will find new fun in that content.
its a bridge. maybe not a perfect one, but while there are body checks mechanics there is less respondibility for the individual... that helps.
a fight where some people could totally be pulled through without doing anything is less helpful

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

You actually don't need determination or months of practice though. You need a group of people who enjoy playing the game. I know a group who started Arcadion on week 1 and they're still progging M4S because they just don't take it seriously at all. They'll clear in the next couple of weeks and they're anything but dedicated or ambitious, lmao.

IDK what you think savage is but I can assure you it isn't that.

Casual = low commitment
Hardcore = high commitment
Midcore = somewhere between the two

It isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

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Idk how old you are, finding a group and planning your IRL activities to let that day free is the very definition of high commitment for the average adult. It's an engagement to be there everytime it's planned.

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Originally Posted by Lilapop

Lets stop normalizing "grind = good." Grind doesn't make content good. Grind exists purely so you play more. At least half the people BEGGING for grind right now will complain when the grind returns. (Assuming they've already done the grinds the game has to offer?)

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Grind has been part of the MMO genra since the beginning, and a lot of us MMO player enjoy it to some degree (when it's well done). Please stop trying to remove something that is a core of the MMO experience because you don't like it.

Grind itself can be fine, relying on grind to fix all the lack of content, people are going to be very disappointed as is the norm with the FF14 community. Half the people asking/demanding grind will complain when it's actually here. I feel like most of us would prefer content with actual substance other than a run of the mill grind-fest.