Asmongold's mom passed away.

This thread is really sad, but for all the wrong reasons.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

To me Asmongold has said things and still talks in a way sometimes that I disagree with and wouldn't watch someone else for.
But I also think there is a difference between having and saying all of the '' correct '' and currently trendy opinions and views than genuinely being a good person and I do think he falls into the latter.

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People seem to have a problem with differentiating between a person and their persona. People just think Asmongold is "IRL" also like in his streams which is far from being the truth. He is basically playing the typical neckbeard gamer stereotype with his streamer persona and when you listen to him on his other channel where he is actually not in that character but just Zack (so himself) there are worlds between them.

I mean we also don't judge actors by the roles they played otherwise you would have to hate all the actors which frequently play villains. To me the thought about streamer personalities being their real personalities is a totally weird concept, they have these personas to entertain people not cause they are like that always irl.

If you guys are wondering about what Asmon really is like, you can search the YouTube channel ZackRawrr. Hes said before that what he does on stream is mostly a persona. Admit it, humanity would rather stand by to stare at a trainwreck or a fight going on in the street, rather than a monk going about his day.

I don't get why people explode like this about streamers in so many game communities. I don't get why "the streamer" is a hateful "toxic" influence on wherever he goes, grifting and robbing vulnerable suckers of their money and shrieking loud enough for game creators to cater to them. Is that how you'd ever want to be seen in your life? Would you really go up to Asmon right now and yell in his face, "you're such an attention seeker! You deserve zero sympathy because of a supposed slight you caused me!"

Call me a white knight. Call me names, judge me, whatever. But I'd stand just as strong for a relative, for a "no name" stranger, for a friend. If that makes me a white knight who grandstands, let it be so.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

Sorry, but I have no sympathy left to give on these topics. Because quite frankly the only reason anyone on here cares to make a topic or give their sympathies is because he's e-famous and known. And yes it' sad he lost his mother. But the memorials? Spare me, they wouldn't be around if people didn't know him from some streaming or e-fame, they wouldn't care.

I know this from experience who has lost the parent that raised them, and had an entire community not care at the time.

So don't fake your sympathies to the person just to suck up to them as a fan that pretends they care, as that's worse than not saying anything at all.

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I love how you admit to getting defensive when you're singled out and removed the chatbox because of it and players getting to you. Have you ever considered that maybe it's things like this is why you might get singled out? No of course not. Your ego wouldn't allow it. Instead you just blame everyone else as the problem and not you.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

I'm going to forgive your ignorance, because you don't speak for me or even have knowledge of why this sad news matters to me. Maybe you were hurt and if so then I'm so sorry for your loss as well. Just because Asmon has a bit of following and people can relate to his life through his streams, doesn't give you the right to come in this thread and cry foul. Hating on people because you see someone get more attention than you for the same reason. It is not the way to go about earning respect and friendships in life, because that's what caring is all about. Your bitterness shows and it's not very appealing. Is this how you get people to care about you, because if it is it saddens me too?

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You completely misunderstood what I meant, not surprising.

I'm saying you're not sincere, and no one here is, because if he wasn't known you wouldn't give a d**n.

Asmon plays this game, not his mom. If something happened to Asmon, the topics and memorials would make sense, he was a part of the community, just as the person that said FC mates and friends get memorials. But his mom? Give a card, give your condolences, but the memorials are dumb. She did not play this game, she was not part of the community. Making a memorial in a game she did not play is for you, not her.

By making a memorial or topic outside of talking to him, himself. You are literally doing this for attention and virtue signaling. It is fake. It is insincere. It is a sick 'hey I'm sad for him, everyone else be sad for him to show how much we suck up to him as fans on this forum.'

Step back and ask yourself why in the wanting to comfort someone you feel the need to post it on a forum that his mother does not frequent? Wrong course of action to show that you care.

This is sad to hear. My condolences to Asmongold.

I learned about his mom being sick while watching all the Endwalker media tour Q&A videos with Yoshi-P I could find and he mentioned her at the beginning of that interview. I don't think I've ever seen a game developer express empathy towards a streamer like that before. Truly makes me glad to be a part of this community.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

I'm saying you're not sincere, and no one here is, because if he wasn't known you wouldn't give a d**n.

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No, we simply wouldn't have known about it...
Some of you are really hung up on the popularity thing, I am sure there are people who are only paying attention because it's someone popular and they want to jump in.
I mentioned this in regards to Miura too.

That doesn't mean that everyone is being insincere.
His mom was also a more public part of his life and streams than most Streamers parents are.
And the situation is also why he had to take a break from streaming FFXIV so even just ignoring the other reasons I've given as to why it's relevant here that makes it relevant too.

Regardless you've made your point and so have others, at this point I am going to start reporting people and I'd urge others to do the same when people are only here to start problems.
Normally I wouldn't and I do have a lot of problems with the moderation on this forum, but I think that most people will understand why it's especially bad and insensitive in a thread like this.
I am just really disappointed and you've won I guess, because you made me regret even having started the thread.
I've been following the situation and felt very strongly about it and I know that others did too, my intent was only to spread awareness all of this negativity and hate is totally unwarranted.
And it just makes me hope that he never reads this thread...

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

You completely misunderstood what I meant, not surprising.

I'm saying you're not sincere, and no one here is, because if he wasn't known you wouldn't give a d**n.

Asmon plays this game, not his mom. If something happened to Asmon, the topics and memorials would make sense, he was a part of the community, just as the person that said FC mates and friends get memorials. But his mom? Give a card, give your condolences, but the memorials are dumb. She did not play this game, she was not part of the community. Making a memorial in a game she did not play is for you, not her.

By making a memorial or topic outside of talking to him, himself. You are literally doing this for attention and virtue signaling. It is fake. It is insincere. It is a sick 'hey I'm sad for him, everyone else be sad for him to show how much we suck up to him as fans on this forum.'

Step back and ask yourself why in the wanting to comfort someone you feel the need to post it on a forum that his mother does not frequent? Wrong course of action to show that you care.

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Don't really care who someone is or how popular they are. I can still genuinely sympathize with their loss and be sincere about it. I think the sad part of this thread (aside from the aforementioned loss) is that being an empathetic human being needs to be justified somehow to some. To that I say...go pound sand. I mean that sincerely as well.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Don't really care who someone is or how popular they are. I can still genuinely sympathize with their loss and be sincere about it. I think the sad part of this thread (aside from the aforementioned loss) is that being an empathetic human being needs to be justified somehow to some. To that I say...go pound sand. I mean that sincerely as well.

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It's not being empathetic. It's being insensitive.

Okay story time!

Several years back when I still made AMVs. I had an online friend who also made AMVs, their parent died. So to try to 'help' I made an AMV dedicated to them/their parent as a gift, like so many do.
A mutual friend called it insensitive, the friend said nothing. At the time I did not know why, they did not explain.

Several years later, I realized it and took the video down. When stepping back and actually analyzing the situation. I did not know this persons parent who died, I knew the friend, not the parent. Who was I to make a dedication to someone I didn't know? How did a dedication help any? It didn't, it was more for show, to SHOW the friend that I cared, and our mutuals that I cared that the friend was sad. But it was the wrong way to go about doing it. It was more for me to feel that I showed that I cared, and everyone knew it, and the rest of us to show we cared in union, than for the person who passed, as we did not know them.

That video meant nothing to that friend, than giving that friend a shoulder to cry on, to talk to, or giving your condolences would have. It was a show of sympathy rather than ACTUAL empathy.

You want to be sincere? Message the man yourself, and talk to him about all the good times and memories, and give him a shoulder to cry on.

Don't virtue signal on a forum and make memorials that do nothing but show how 'group sad' you are.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

It's not being empathetic. It's being insensitive.

.Don't virtue signal on a forum and make memorials that do nothing but show how 'group sad' you are.

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Honestly, we have nothing more to discuss here. I've said my piece and you have said yours. There's no agreement to be had, so let's agree to disagree. Have a nice day.