Eorzea has much Light? How?

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

yes you're missing alot theres alot of source material that you're not reading over appearently

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I must be. Where can such material be found?

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Originally Posted by Cilia

I think the whole implication is that the Warrior of Light's exploits are tipping the scales too close to light and putting the Ascians' plans in jeopardy. Given the Empire continues to cause chaos (as it was intended to), I have little fear it's in danger of falling to a Flood of Light, and said Flood would be harder to trigger on the Source than the First (as the latter is naturally more inclined toward Light than the Source, which is implicitly neutral by default).

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I feel like we've never had that scene in FFXIV, the kind found in the movie Excalibur :
"For years peace has reigned in the land. Crops grow in abundance, there's no want. Every one of my subjects enjoys his portion of happiness and justice. Tell me, Merlin, have we defeated evil? - King Arthur

"It seems we have." - Merlin

Instead it's been from one war to the next, with Doma still in ruins and Ala Mhigo a heartbeat from total destruction. It feels the scales are still tipped far into darkness' side. The only last good it seems was ending the 1000 year long war in Ishgard. And the idea that even that small peace Ishgard has is too much is a frightful concept.

We haven't had that scene because you seem to be mistaking the First for the Source. The Source, at the moment, is relatively fine. There is chaos and there is the quelling of chaos - and so long as that continues and/or so long as Hyde and Zodi are in conflict, there will be some semblance of balance keeping (our) world as it is.

As such, our world (the Source) is not under any immediate threat from Light/Dark (yet), only threats posed by the Empire/Ascians (who work in the name of Dark, for the most part). I suspect Gaius and Estinien will serve as our MSQ-Eyes to the progress of the Ascian/Empire story on the Source while we are on the First fighting against Light, giving plenty of time and means to prepare some dastardly deeds in the name of Darkness while the WoL/D is busy. As would be expected of an MMORPG not facing shutdown, the show must go on, so I suspect that once we've dealt with the First, we'll come back to plenty of new troubles on the Source, likely thanks to Black Rose and more Ascian/Empire shenanigans in the name of sowing the seeds of Chaos.

Meanwhile, the First is where the Warriors of Darkness came from. They were essentially the First's equivalent to ourselves, Warriors of Light fighting in the name of Hyde, WoL's who won all their battles and quelled all threats of Darkness, and thus inadvertently caused the flood of light on their world.

As you've seen from the end of that quest-chain, Emmisary-Filia was created thanks to the light/crystals that the WoL/Scions and WoD's brought together, and thus our EmmiFilia claimed she would go to the First to stop the flood - things you can see in the new ShB E3 trailer. There is also a time-bubble of sorts seeing as events on the first have been raging for practically a century, whereas our EmmiFilia left not that long ago by comparison in our time-line. There is also a massive possibility that, yes, the previous fracturing/sundering has indeed created somewhat of a mirror of worlds (and its inhabitants), such as us meeting an NPC at the start of ShB who is practically identical to the brothers we meet when starting in ARR, or the WoD's themselves, who were carbon-copies of the NPC's you see in the 1.0/ARR Flames of Truth, even though they're not the same people, or the fact that we'll be dealing with not one, but two Minfilia's. It was also blatantly stated that what Urianger foresaw leading up to the appearance of Arbert and the WoD's was 'the future', so it'll be a little wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey, but the most important detail is to remember that the expansion does not take place in our world.

Ours is in a recovery period. We've dealt with the empire/ultima for the most part, assisted the Dragonsong War, assisted in liberation of Doma/Mhigo etc, and countless other issues, yet the land is still rife with conflict between the Alliance/Beastmen, the threat of primal summonings, the Empire, the Ascians etc.

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Originally Posted by RopeDrink

Meanwhile, the First is where the Warriors of Darkness came from. They were essentially the First's equivalent to ourselves, Warriors of Light fighting in the name of Hyde, WoL's who won all their battles and quelled all threats of Darkness, and thus inadvertently caused the flood of light on their world.

As you've seen from the end of that quest-chain, Emmisary-Filia was created thanks to the light/crystals that the WoL/Scions and WoD's brought together, and thus our EmmiFilia claimed she would go to the First to stop the flood - things you can see in the new ShB E3 trailer. There is also a time-bubble of sorts seeing as events on the first have been raging for practically a century, whereas our EmmiFilia left not that long ago by comparison in our time-line. There is also a massive possibility that, yes, the previous fracturing/sundering has indeed created somewhat of a mirror of worlds (and its inhabitants), such as us meeting an NPC at the start of ShB who is practically identical to the brothers we meet when starting in ARR, or the WoD's themselves, who were carbon-copies of the NPC's you see in the 1.0/ARR Flames of Truth, even though they're not the same people, or the fact that we'll be dealing with not one, but two Minfilia's. It was also blatantly stated that what Urianger foresaw leading up to the appearance of Arbert and the WoD's was 'the future', so it'll be a little wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey, but the most important detail is to remember that the expansion does not take place in our world.

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Oh. So SB2 is essentially an inversion of Majora's Mask? An alternative world of reused assets and a land suffering from a great evil light?

All I want to know is, if we were to let the Ascians have their way for a while and things start tipping too far towards dark, will they be compelled to shift their plans 180 to fix things? I mean, they're all about dat balance. Surely they must be a self-correcting system. Otherwise they'd just be huge hypocrites.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

All I want to know is, if we were to let the Ascians have their way for a while and things start tipping too far towards dark, will they be compelled to shift their plans 180 to fix things? I mean, they're all about dat balance. Surely they must be a self-correcting system. Otherwise they'd just be huge hypocrites.

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Their ultimate goal is to resurrect Zodiark, then have him fuse with Hydaelyn back into the (supposed) primordial dawn / twilight god(dess), which would indeed keep things balanced.

The Ascians would probably tip things back toward Light on a Shard world (or the Source) if they absolutely had to; Dark-flooded worlds are useless to them (see the Void).

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Their ultimate goal is to resurrect Zodiark, then have him fuse with Hydaelyn back into the (supposed) primordial dawn / twilight god(dess), which would indeed keep things balanced.

The Ascians would probably tip things back toward Light on a Shard world (or the Source) if they absolutely had to; Dark-flooded worlds are useless to them (see the Void).

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No they don't want Zodiark to fuse with Hydaelyn, they want Zodiark to subsume Hydaelyn, and have him be the only one left.

Something which makes sense since they are both apparently primals. Garuda tried to eat Ifrit and Titan, Thordan tried to eat the Warring Triad, and I think Bahamut absorbed the aether of defeated primals somehow when Dalamud was falling, or that was what I was led to believe at any rate.

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

No they don't Zodiark to fuse with Hydaelyn, they want Zodiark to subsume Hydaelyn, and have him be the only one left.

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Sounds fairly balanced to me.

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Originally Posted by Edax

But that's just it, the Ascians goal is chaos is it not? Before the WoL arrived, Doma and Ala Mhigo were nations in order. Repressed and beaten, but they obeyed. The WoL changed that, plunged Doma into war, even greatly expanding the conflict to include the tribes of the Steppe and The Conderdatacy. The WoL has turned order into chaos, and now Ala Mhigo is now on the frontline of two massive armies. If anything, the WoL has been serving Zodiark's goals of chaos and tipping the balance in the opposite direction since ending the Dragonsong War. The Ascians may control the Empire, but what the Empire wants is order. The recent gassing attempts against the Imperial dissidents should be harming Zodiark's goal of chaos, right? The WoL opposing the Empire is not creating peace, even if it's for the greater good.

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I think you're looking at things from the wrong lens. The Empire itself is sowing the Chaos. People can only be brutalized for so long before they tire of it and go to war against thier oppressors the WoL was just in the right place at the right time to inspire them. "Fear only keeps people down until one person no longer fears." Yes they rebelled against tyranny and oppression however the WoL has also been spending time and effort in restoring the beleaguered lands including Doma that's not spreading Chaos that's spreading order.

Tyranny and Oppression are the very epitome of Chaos. Mass destruction of lives again Chaos. in stopping these things things are brought to Order. and there will never be peace as long as the empire continues to function as it does. just as there will never be peace between the beast tribes and the rest of Eorzea however smaller conflicts are the natural course of life in general. so in the end the WoL is creating peace but for peace to happen there needs to be war and a clear victor.

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

Tyranny and Oppression are the very epitome of Chaos. Mass destruction of lives again Chaos. in stopping these things things are brought to Order. and there will never be peace as long as the empire continues to function as it does. just as there will never be peace between the beast tribes and the rest of Eorzea however smaller conflicts are the natural course of life in general. so in the end the WoL is creating peace but for peace to happen there needs to be war and a clear victor.

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Control is a form of Order. Breaking oppression is a form of chaos. Rebellion and Freedom are just forms of chaos. The state of absolute freedom is a state of total chaos.

op·pres·sion
/əˈpreSHən/

noun
prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
"a region shattered by oppression and killing"
synonyms: persecution, abuse, maltreatment, ill treatment, tyranny, despotism, repression, suppression, subjection, subjugation, enslavement, exploitation; More
the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control.

or·der
/ˈôrdər/

noun
a state in which the laws and rules regulating the public behavior of members of a community are observed and authority is obeyed.

cha·os

noun
complete disorder and confusion.

antonyms: order, orderliness

So long as SE remains conveniently vague about what increases or decreases light/dark, it's really impossible to say what we're doing is causing more light unless it's simply using Hydalyn's blessing or something like that.