SE's housing system doesn't favor anybody...

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

2 words. Gil sink.

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With how scarce and affordable the plots are, personal houses are an awful sink (our plot was worth a little over 3 mil. We paid 22mil to another player) and its even worse how people sell FC houses (We bought the FC that was attached to the house. Not a penny of that 22million was removed from the system).

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Originally Posted by Soupa

Because not everyone wants a house, not everyone needs a house, and not everyone can afford a house. Housing in this game is almost pure gil sink especially personal housing. FC houseing a case for inclusivity can be made due to workshop and supplemary content but there’s still no way to make that much room for everyone. Personal housing for all? No way.

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You do realize Housing is just considered optional content and has nothing to do with main story just additional content. So kind of first come first serve based on ability. Just like anything else can take time. Yes SE is aware that many people want housing, yes SE has made some progress, Yes everyone who does not have a house was selected individually to be ignored -.- right? No it's a first come first serve based on availability.

IF people really want housing and have an FC I'm sure you can ask for permission to change things around or get a room -.-

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Spoiler Alert: Housing shouldn't be limited.
Only reason someone shouldn't have a house is if they can't afford it or don't want it. Simple as that.

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Reality; optional services can be limited. While not everyone has access and it is being spoiled by others who sell property in a way is fair game it does not prevent you from finishing the main story. SE does offer in rooms and FC can build rooms. If a player wants to build a home, must wait like everyone else. It seems hard, if people really want it they will find a way.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Reality; optional services can be limited. While not everyone has access and it is being spoiled by others who sell property in a way is fair game it does not prevent you from finishing the main story. SE does offer in rooms and FC can build rooms. If a player wants to build a home, must wait like everyone else. It seems hard, if people really want it they will find a way.

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Reality: When F2P and P2W games do housing better then a monthly sub based game, there a problem. And while I beat the dead horse, even blizzard does it better (Garrisons in WoW) and XI (a now 15 year old game) while lacking in what it could do, everyone had a mog house. And no, let not get into the debate on how mog houses were ran on the data side. Point is, everyone had one.

Because SE has made housing limited it has done nothing but cause chaos across the board. If they had not made it limited in the first place, these problems would've never came to be and none of us would be sitting here arguing over who deserves what more or having to waste a GM time putting in reports of people flipping houses, etc.

It not the mind set of, "Everyone should have one." it the mind set of, "There should be enough houses if people want them." If you don't have the gil, tough luck cookie. If you don't want one, then don't buy one. Had this been done right from the get go, we wouldn't all be here right now.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Reality: When F2P and P2W games do housing better then a monthly sub based game, there a problem. And while I beat the dead horse, even blizzard does it better (Garrisons in WoW) and XI (a now 15 year old game) while lacking in what it could do, everyone had a mog house. And no, let not get into the debate on how mog houses were ran on the data side. Point is, everyone had one.

Because SE has made housing limited it has done nothing but cause chaos across the board. If they had not made it limited in the first place, these problems would've never came to be and none of us would be sitting here arguing over who deserves what more or having to waste a GM time putting in reports of people flipping houses, etc.

It not the mind set of, "Everyone should have one." it the mind set of, "There should be enough houses if people want them." If you don't have the gil, tough luck cookie. If you don't want one, then don't buy one. Had this been done right from the get go, we wouldn't all be here right now.

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FUN FACT and common sense; this is not a F2P or P2W option for housing, This is not Blizzard, for FFXI the housing is not set the way it is on FFXIV. ( played it since day one and still do ) If you have not noticed the requirements and graphics are different. Tthis is a completely different company than wow and better graphics in my opinion. If you can't wait feel free to play those for housing. Now in terms of flipping housing yes you could file a GM report, however you must proof that it is being does for RTM. Hence yeah you will have a very hard time. Otherwise when you think about it it makes sense to flip houses if they choose to. Everyone pays a membership, some just go to a more creative extreme to earn gills. To get mine I had to use vacation time so it all depends how bad you want it. They opened up new wards as well and people who took the time were able to get them. Not peoples fault if they are too slow or think they are special.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Had this been done right from the get go, we wouldn't all be here right now.

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This is correct but the truth is that it wasn't done right from the beginning and the game is now limited by what was done.

It's unreasonable to expect we can go back in time and undo it all.

Scarcity increases Value. Plots are not supposed to be given out to anyone who wants one, but rather to people who can play the game and earn the money to have one. Much like Savage Tier gear, you dont get to have it just cause you want it, you gotta work for it (typically). This creates an intrinsic value to having plots. Theyre not a 'dime a dozen' but rather a 'Hey, I got the cash to get this thing, so check it out!"

If everyone can have their own plot at any time for little cost, plots become a bleh thing people dont care about to much. Keeping it limited creates demand and creates an artificial status symbol out of them.

On the flipside, however, It is a system that seems to be gamed against people who are not as wealthy by a disproportionate value. As in the main problem is when people purchase 5-6 plots for themselves to resell.

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Originally Posted by Soupa

Because not everyone wants a house, not everyone needs a house, and not everyone can afford a house. Housing in this game is almost pure gil sink especially personal housing. FC houseing a case for inclusivity can be made due to workshop and supplemary content but there’s still no way to make that much room for everyone. Personal housing for all? No way.

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Then you clearly missed the outrage on not only the NA subform, but the JP and EU subforums as well over Shirogane. Not enough people wanting houses? Then what was that outrage about?

Again. I fail to understand this exclusivity mindset. Not everyone wants houses, you're right. But to base content on "how many people want it", well you could say goodbye to all the niche content like Savage, Extremes, Ultimate, PvP, etc., because not everyone wants those either. The housing system is in a poor state, and if this game continues to grow, will be unable to satisfy the demands of the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

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I already have a house, so you can stop yourself right there. Also, no sh*t this isn't a F2P or P2W model, good job missing the point genius.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

It's unreasonable to expect we can go back in time and undo it all.

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I didn't say anything about expecting them to go back in time and undo it all. What I do expect is them to move forward and fix the half @ss system they put in place. Which is coming with 4.2. How they plan to handle it however is another story and won't know until maybe at least Jan 19th at the next live letter.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

I already have a house, so you can stop yourself right there. Also, no sh*t this isn't a F2P or P2W model, good job missing the point genius.

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So then why even bring it up as an example? it's irrelevant, I know that common sense is a dying trait, you should of seen this coming just by bringing that up. I have a Large house as well, just for t he perks of FC, as for the point of this thread Thread: SE's housing system does not favor anybody... well sorry to disagree. Apparently it does. Those who put the effort, have RL and make changes to get a house.