Why healing is broken and terrible, and how to fix it...

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Originally Posted by Nhisso

So youre either a bad tank or a DPS that is upset you dont get praise, because no one can be serious with a post like this. And ive literally never once seen a healer scolded for NOT DPS'ing.
Please.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-who-don-t-DPS

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Originally Posted by missybee

SE isn't going to go back and re-work healer to make it HARDER after just making it easier.

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It's not difficulty that was the issue for me so much as the job not being very engaging.

Raids are okay because there's at least more to watch out for, but doing daily Ex as a healer is like driving nails into my skull.

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Originally Posted by Cenerae

Or what about a DPS deciding they're only doing one combo and not making use of self buffs or cooldowns either? They're doing damage, nobody said they had to do good damage.

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Pretty sure I run in to that pretty often, actually.

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Originally Posted by ArcanoJones

As long as a healer is doing their job and nobody is dying ..especially the Tank and the group is beating all the content. Then anybody who actually gives the healer a hard time is completelly wrong. Healers do not need to DPS. If they get time to it is at their option. IN fact Healers trying to do damage is why groups will wipe and problems will arise sometimes because they either run out of Mana or they are not paying attention to their healing duties.

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You're preaching to the choir, but it still happens.

This is one of the more polite examples I've seen:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-who-don-t-DPS

Either way, the way damage happens in this game is ultimately responsible for this situation. If healers were always (or nearly always) using their mana to heal, no one would even consider suggesting they DPS.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

Either way, the way damage happens in this game is ultimately responsible for this situation. If healers were always (or nearly always) using their mana to heal, no one would even consider suggesting they DPS.

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No, it's because of healers not paying attention, which can happen regardless of whether or not they're doing damage.

Please stop trying to blame mechanics for lack of player skill. Again, admitting is the first step, and it's okay not to be good at healing in this game.

K so it's another complaint based on somebody that played 1 healing job recently, AST. Sry but I actually like it on WHM, I don't have mp problems and I can be very flexible with the way I am playing, I can even carry whole groups and even the worst tanks, you know the ones that pull 10000 mobs and not use 1 cool down etc. without having to sacrifice healing over dps and vice versa. I can do both. Maybe instead of complaining you should give WHM a try, or at least change the header to : Why AST's mp/dps in general is broken and how terrible I am at the job, please fix it.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-who-don-t-DPS



It's not difficulty that was the issue for me so much as the job not being very engaging.

Raids are okay because there's at least more to watch out for, but doing daily Ex as a healer is like driving nails into my skull.

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What people are referring to is what happens in the game, it is rare for people to tell a healer is not doing enough dps, as well as doing DPS. I can't remember if it was on my DRK? most likely was since it was recent and I know I did not see it on my sam. Anyways I had this healer that did literally ZERO DPS.. THE FULL leveling DF at 65.. not even using Assize!!! and no one said anything. (I was not going to cuz I am tried of the 'don't tell me how play my job you do not pay for my sub!!!!!)

SO ya.. it is rare... (also why ya ignoring my posts? I got WHM and AST to 70 =/ and the only thing I ran into was complaining about DPS as WHM (using holy) like that other poster, it is very rare and I think they where just trolling anyway.)

AST does not typically have MP problems, it takes a lot for them to do so.. where you even using Nocturnal Sect? or any sect? sects buff ast raw healing too so if you forgot to use them ya you might have a hard time, like others are trying to explain it is a 'git gud' issue on your part, and being aware what is going on (If you have a sponge tank, it can make things difficult) but all this is player skill, not the abilities jobs have as far as programing.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

And all #1 would do is remove the "guesswork" when it comes to healers choosing to DPS because you're accounting for something you cannot know ahead of time.

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If you're not playing a healer via fight knowledge, you're probably playing it wrong. You should now damn near exactly how much damage will be dealt and when. Outlier frequency of crits in dungeon mass pulls are about the only time this wouldn't be the case and are still almost never enough to adjust rotations. They certainly aren't enough to make you notice you've done so.

For this to be guesswork you'd have to first be unfamiliar with healing, or dealing with players of purposely unpatterned behavior (i.e. trolls).

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

Either way, the way damage happens in this game is ultimately responsible for this situation. If healers were always (or nearly always) using their mana to heal, no one would even consider suggesting they DPS.

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In dungeons that, too, would depend on the difference between the mana gained during combat and the mana gained outside of combat.

It would just be an added concern atop the duration for which tank eHP can be sustained against incoming damage (mass pulls tend not to, and have no reason to be, survivable on tank stance and heal spam alone), and may actually make DPSing even more vital, as regardless of the percentage of GCDs spent healing, the fight would become unsustainable, but now additionally due to mana.

Of course, making damage-dealing skills alone disgustingly expensive would do that for you. But expect then to see disgust.

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Originally Posted by ArcanoJones

And which instances would those be..The only time I can think of where extra DPS would be required is if you need to kill something very quickly and those instances would be very short.

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You can clear it faster by putting in nearer to the same effort as everyone else. Or you can laze out and do it slower. Which do you think has more... ethical appeal?

You can clear a dungeon without dealing DPS. You can kill a mob with just auto-attacks. But should you? Is there any actual reason to do so? (Excluding the obvious masochism...)

Dont think healers are broken... Their fine. I think that bad parties are really the bigger issue. Tanks pulling more then the DPS can handle in a short time with limited AoE potential, or DPS single targeting mobs vs AoEing mobs is an issue...sorta. The longer the tanks is taking big damage the longer the healer has to focus. Also Tanks not moving out of AoE's or DPS getting hit needlessly is a big issue. Pugs are ridiculous since SB. I still do them from time to time and maybe I'm just having some really bad luck but every one I do I seem to get undergeared Tanks pulling huge mobs and getting shit on almost immediately.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

This is one of the more polite examples I've seen:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-who-don-t-DPS

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I think what some people have tried to tell you is that even though people complain on the forums they are just the very vocal minority. Even I complain a little because it irks me to see a healer jumping around when they have nothing to heal, but I never harass anyone in-game for it. Coming to the forums to rant is usually very different from how people act in-game.

In-game no one really bothers others with these issues. It happens sometimes, but I can tell you right now I've only had one instance of someone mentioning my healer DPS in 4 years of playing this game and I have actually never seen another healer harassed about DPS either. I have been active most of those 4 years too. (this is strictly speaking of casual content though everything but savage raiding)

In savage raiding is usually the only place healers may get confronted about their play if they do not contribute some DPS as a healer, but savage raiding (during it's release) is the hardest content the game offers so if someone will not even attempt to learn to use their full toolkit in savage raids then some groups may decide to remove a player like that. Like Taika said O3S and O4S DPS checks are very harsh so most groups need a decent amount of healer DPS to clear it with the current item level available to us at the moment.

Savage raiding every role needs to be using almost their whole toolkit, healers should not be exempt from that.