Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

Pure3ify getting kicked for not speed running a dungeon is not a common thing most dps don't even AoE from what I have seen so I wouldn't pin that down to the reason why to you were booted but some people run dps tracking software and if they saw your dps was very low they may have kicked you because it was below a basic level as Bard is one of those jobs that if you don't play correctly will put up low dps even if you have the gear so check out a guide and it will probably help

I checked your gear and your passing the ilvl requirements but still have most of your slots filled with the lowest level 60 gear

We all know the Mentor System is flawed. It would be nice to vote a Mentor negatively if it doesn't fulfill its purpose. However, I must say that different Mentors will have their own way to teach players their stuff. Some will be rude, some will be polite, some will be careless, some will be very vocal and helpful, others will remain silent till you ask something. I unlocked the Mentor thing with my main, but I don't use it because I'm not good material for it. I might throw some hints here and there, if I feel like doing it. I quit to actively helping people because of the "I play the way I want" or "I pay for my sub, don't tell me what to do" attitude. Ultimately, people should remove their crowns when they don't feel like helping others.

My advice here? Your situation sucks. It does. However, I also checked your lodestone: You should replace your accesories and head. The rest is completely fine (People downed Savage with that crafted gear). Focus your energy into unlocking the rest of your cross-class skills. You can easily do that because they increased the armory bonus for secondary classes below your main's max level. It shouldn't take that long.

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Originally Posted by Pure3ify

I pay my subscription fee not the tank or the healer or the other DPS in the party.

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The thing is, realistically, they also pay for their own sub. If the majority thinks they need to replace people because they don't meet their expectations, they are also completely free to do it. They are also paying customers. We don't expect players to get full gear within the first 2 months either, specially if you have limited time. You still have 4 months till the expansion hits, I'd say you have plenty of time to catch up and take things easily. Don't rush yourself too much, otherwise you'll hit yourself against a wall like you just did. Twice. Granted, some players will be patient enough to let it go and run the dungeon with you. Some others won't.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Sorry you are being given a hard time.
On the other hand gear is only one of your issues. Getting lancer to 34 would help you as a bard and I'd get it done asap. Palace of the Dead is a good leveling method and it's also the fastest way to get a good level 60 weapon. just swap to bard and the NPC will give you a bard weapon.

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My bow is lvl 250 its just my accesories and helmet which is item lvl 150. Everything else is 250 and i dont have 2 cross class abilities. I never had an issue up until now because im so late into the game that everyone is looking for speedruns and currency from dungeons. I appreciate your comment and i understand what i need to invest time into. You just find it hard when you only got a handful of hours a day to do something with the already long que times for a DPS. Im averaging 1.5k a hit and 1k or so with normal heavy shot if a combo is used correctly im doing over 2.5k. Never hit 3k tho lol

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I didn't twist your words, I simply quoted you and noted how you're basically doing the same thing as the mentors were doing. It's an act of hypocrisy.

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You may not have twisted it, but you certainly misunderstood it. There was no hypocrisy.
You probably thought it was another use of the "i'll play how i want its my sub" argument. What she actually said was:
If I meet the min requirements for an instance I should be able to play it.

Which IS actually what the Devs intended. If you meet the ilvl reqs, You meet the stat requirements to clear it.
The problem is a warped perception of what makes acceptable DPS in a 4 man duty. Too often, overgeared people expect the other 3 members of the party to also be overgeared, thus ensuring that they can speedpull one end to the other.
I have frequently encountered players who have minimum ilvls for the duty and got that there via the wrong accessories. Sometimes they just don't know better, Merely grabbing what they thought was what they needed to continue. Those people i will help to not just finish the duty i found them in, but also make sure to direct them towards the correct gear. Which is what Mentors should be doing, Not just "oh your dps is low /KICK."

The OPs problem would occur a whole lot less often if people weren't expecting every DF run to be a speedrun. Not everyone is going to be overgeared and just wanting to cap tomes.
Sometimes people who actually need not only the tomes but the drops from within the dungeon, queue for those dungeons.

Lmao 'Ipay my subscription fee....' so does your party members. Their money is worth the same as yours.

Screw it, you attitude is just as ass as the elitists you hate, and if I got someone like you in my party I'd kick you for it lol.

Edit : shite, it picked up the wrong quote, I was replying to OP. Pls no bully.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

You probably thought it was another use of the "i'll play how i want its my sub" argument.

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Well the did end up using that argument just now..

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Originally Posted by Pure3ify

I pay my subscription fee not the tank or the healer or the other DPS in the party. ... This isnt rocket science. Im not dating you. Why make it so complicated? If a dungeon unlocked for me and i met the gear lvl requirements why am i at fault?

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Yesterday I twice encountered tanks that didn't have 'enmity generating' actions as part of their rotations. The second one, in Sohm Al HM generated so little hate that a *single* cure had enemies on me (I checked - no exaggerating). They still insisted on big pulls too, despite being told repeatedly not to do so & even went AFK during the big pull with the worms! We didn't kick. Tanks are too valuable to kick as I'd been queuing for ages as healer.

Why did I tell you that story? To show it's a game & everybody makes mistakes, especially when learning. I don't parse but imagine that there are times when I've put out more damage as SCH than the DPS who seems semi-afk or lazy. I'm sorry you got kicked for their vision of low DPS, they shouldn't have done that & it was unfair to you. I'd have reported them both times as there are few DPS checks in dungeon situations precisely to account for situations where someone is learning & unable to put out "l33t deeps".

AGAIN thank you to everyone who gave me adivce, dont misunderstand me I am not blowing you off I just understand what I need to do its just taking me longer to achieve that goal with 2 hours a day instead of 6+ its frustrating to state a problem which is being kicked for not being toxic or anything towards the Party. If I was rude or insulting then yes I am at fault but I was concentrating on what dps I can do. I only brought up Mentors because they brought this up to me in a party then a kick. So yes. It is frustrating to play a game I pay for and not be able to access story content because of other people. If I was doing Hard or Extreme versions I understand. There is a reason I have not done them.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

If you ever take the full lock-out to finish a dungeon, then I don't know what to say.

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if you are not able to carry the newbie dps than i am sorry to say but your are not a better player than the newbie...
no matter how many newbies in your group, if you are a good player you should be able to carry dps for everyone.

regards hobbit

I actually feel like im forming feelings for you Sylve. Finally someone who understands exactly what im trying to say