No new SMNs for SMN?

quoting myself because I don't want to rewrite it (other subject) :

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

focus on DoTs + egis rather than summons ? Well, sorry to say, but it's technically correct, as the SUMMONERS use the essences of divinities to enhance themselves while the INVOKERS use the essences of divinities to unleash hell on their enemies. Though the naming has been a little confusing over the various FF games, because there are summons in each case, thus making the invoker a special case of summoners.

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summoners not getting new summons is fine technically, though new flashy things flying around would be cool. Also, new pets may have been too redundant

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

If they had gone ahead with a new egi, there would be ppl screaming then too. Probably about 'why <insert classic summon>?!?!? <insert other classic summon> would be the better choice, any fool can see that!!!'

In almost 14 yrs of playing SE's FF MMOs, SMN is the class/job with the most unsatisfied and hardest to please group of players of any game i have ever seen-even more than RDM players. Either we are bashing(not constructively critiquing, i mean bashing) the devs or tearing each other to shreds. It shows how decent a company SE can be in some ways that they even attempted to bring SMN to FFXIV.

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^ This. So much this. The crowd behind SMN is so damn unpleasable I get a little sick just watching these SMN threads pop up. I'm beginning to think that people shouldn't be allowed to make new SMN threads ever again until Heavensward arrives at least.

I can only imagine how bad the RDM threads will be if RDM ever gets confirmed.

This thread again?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attac...-beathorse.gif

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

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my bad should have just said summoner is using the Enemy skill materia. Also did you read my previous post?:

I understand why they decided to not add egis. Fine it's lame, but fine whatever. But why not add new abilities to the current egis? Ifrit 20 sec damage buff, Garuda dot ability, Titan self healing. These are simply, but yet SE decided to completely side line the pets.

This topic again?

You got Akh Morn. That's literally better than anything anyone else got. Stop complaining.

Make a new skill that destroys your pet and increases healing of the group.

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Originally Posted by Jasmine_Aurelia

What I REALLY want for the class is, the FF11 summoner without the mp drain for keeping it out, that's what I really hopped for.

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So, you want to summon, use a blood pact rage, use a blood pact ward, and then stand there while the timer resets? I loved SMN in XI, but I don't find that incarnation of the job would work well in XIV. The battle systems are vastly different.

I am little annoyed we aren't getting new Egi's, but most Summoners don't bother to micro manage the current pets we do have and they don't require much babysitting.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

So, you want to summon, use a blood pact rage, use a blood pact ward, and then stand there while the timer resets? I loved SMN in XI, but I don't find that incarnation of the job would work well in XIV. The battle systems are vastly different.

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What I want is for the summoner to be secondary to the pet.

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

my bad should have just said summoner is using the Enemy skill materia. Also did you read my previous post?:

I understand why they decided to not add egis. Fine it's lame, but fine whatever. But why not add new abilities to the current egis? Ifrit 20 sec damage buff, Garuda dot ability, Titan self healing. These are simply, but yet SE decided to completely side line the pets.

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Them Pet-hotbars though.

Adding abilities onto pets still exasperates the issue at hand though (but not to the same degree as adding new egis completely). You'd still only use X in Y scenario because it's objectively better, whether its uptime or survivability. Egi-glamours would be the best compromise but hardly the most important thing to focus on atm when it comes to summoner.