[Suggestion] SAMURAI

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Like I said Red Mage original design was not towards Swords gameplay. It was a Job that focused more on using Black and White Magic while the sword was just there for cosmetic look for their Iconic appearance.

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What you describe was predicated by a limitation inherent to turn-based RPGs. There's only so much you can do with it when already buffs and such are not a "smooth" part of gameplay. Not to mention that sword enchants and Red Mage weren't really synonymous until FFXI came along. Before that it was just a hybrid that had access to magic and heavier equipment than WHM and BLM.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

The Katana is not a load bearing weapon etc.

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This has absolutely no impact in a fantasy video game. Nothing about Axes and Greatswords lend themselves to "tanking" anymore than any other weapon. If it's a "destroyer of lightly armored targets" then it would take a penalty against any enemy with hard skin or metal armor, now you have a DPS that does less damage against most enemies, congrats.

All tanks have parrying to a degree, and high defense. There is no problem having both DRK and SAM have skills that boost their parry or dodge. There is also no problem in having both DRK and SAM wield two handed swords (Alternatively SAM could dual wield a katana and wakizashi, making it unique.) Even then, the way DRK hold their sword is likely intentional, they hold it in a downward posture and this creates less animation similarities if they add a two handed katana like weapon which is typically held upward.

I hope SAM will become a DPS job. it'll be redundant to have 2 2-hand sword wielding tanks.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I hope SAM will become a DPS job. it'll be redundant to have 2 2-hand sword wielding tanks.

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As opposed to what for a new tank then? Because all the other possible options are even more redundant. Templar? No different then a Paladin. Rune Fencer? Magic infused Greatsword, sounds just like what we're getting with DRK. Viking? We already got Warrior. Everything else in FF that wears heavy armor uses swords. Samurai is the only one that has more of a unique flair to it. So unless SE is gonna make a completely new job to FF for the next tank (Which is highly, highly unlikely, not when they have an adequate option that's a very popular request in Samurai) then Samurai is still the most logical choice.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Them "pretty sure" links

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Just what I thought. Reading comprehension is far to be found. So still the fact stands that SAM was an option for a tank, but they chose DRK for it fit better and because of NIN being eastern focused already.

Yoshi basically wants feedback from the community as to what role SAM could fit best. I just want it to come, tank or DPS. Just get on it Yoshi!

Samurai should be ranged dps using tanegashima as weapon ;)

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

No different then a Paladin. Rune Fencer? Magic infused Greatsword, sounds just like what we're getting with DRK. Viking? We already got Warrior. Everything else in FF that wears heavy armor uses swords. Samurai is the only one that has more of a unique flair to it. So unless SE is gonna make a completely new job to FF for the next tank (Which is highly, highly unlikely, not when they have an adequate option that's a very popular request in Samurai) then Samurai is still the most logical choice.

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i agree with you. I mean Yoshida did say he thought DRK was more DPS role too but here it as a tank. And considering SAM was the other option-a popular one at that- for a tank. I'm sure it will be the next one. I think having NIN and SAM as melee dps is even more redundant than SAM as tank. SAM as a parrying tank would be interesting and bringing more people to the tank role helps the community greatly.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

As opposed to what for a new tank then? Because all the other possible options are even more redundant. Templar? No different then a Paladin. Rune Fencer? Magic infused Greatsword, sounds just like what we're getting with DRK. Viking? We already got Warrior. Everything else in FF that wears heavy armor uses swords. Samurai is the only one that has more of a unique flair to it. So unless SE is gonna make a completely new job to FF for the next tank (Which is highly, highly unlikely, not when they have an adequate option that's a very popular request in Samurai) then Samurai is still the most logical choice.

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Well DRK was suppose to a DPS but look at what we got.
We need variety all around the roles here. We do not have a sword user in the DPS area.
They keep pushing them all to tanks. They could get more creativity and use a different kind of tank
as oppose to a sword user too. THE CLOSEST thing to a sword we got is the daggers.
So I can feel sword lovers being pretty upset if SAM was a tank. I wouldn't be surprised if it was but I don't see why it wouldn't be a DPS.
I also like this idea:

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Originally Posted by Pterois

i dont see why they wouldn't increase the usability of the class and make a tank (shogun) and dps (ronin/samurai) tree.

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They're just going to keep pushing the most wanted jobs into the least desirable role.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

As opposed to what for a new tank then? Because all the other possible options are even more redundant. Templar? No different then a Paladin. Rune Fencer? Magic infused Greatsword, sounds just like what we're getting with DRK. Viking? We already got Warrior. Everything else in FF that wears heavy armor uses swords. Samurai is the only one that has more of a unique flair to it. So unless SE is gonna make a completely new job to FF for the next tank (Which is highly, highly unlikely, not when they have an adequate option that's a very popular request in Samurai) then Samurai is still the most logical choice.

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May I point you to the idea of Blue Mage for Tank? I keep seeing counter as the main thing for Samurai tank, what better way to counter than to throw that mess right back at them?

I feel Viera class is gonna introduce Samurai in the future . I'll say December time or April next year.