Leviathan's Wipe at 20%?

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Originally Posted by Raenryong

Can you tell me that you could reasonably determine where, on a health bar, the 20% mark is? Compared to the 19% or 21% marks? Or hell, even the 18 or 22% ones?



More strawmans, yawn.

How about this scenario: do too much healing to a tank and the raid will instantly wipe, with no visual indication. Would you defend this mechanic?

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Now you are turning stuff around rather then making a valid comparison. the whole thing is not that you do too much damage in general, its about WHEN to do damage.
If i had to stop healing for a certain time (and the tank was not taking damage, like hey, phase switching during ruda for instance) then yea i would defend it. It prevents me from clicking the heal button like a monkey and instead watch what is going on.

Also, why does it have to be precisely a certain %? Just stop around the 25 mark (divide the bar in 4) and by the time the dots are ticked out it should be a couple more % further making it an ideal time to stop.

Because DPS sitting around unable to act in fear of an arbitrary un-obvious mechanic is extremely poor game design. Just like if a fight required healers to just go afk for a period of time or risk causing an instant wipe.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Now you are turning stuff around rather then making a valid comparison. the whole thing is not that you do too much damage in general, its about WHEN to do damage.
If i had to stop healing for a certain time (and the tank was not taking damage, like hey, phase switching during ruda for instance) then yea i would defend it. It prevents me from clicking the heal button like a monkey and instead watch what is going on.

Also, why does it have to be precisely a certain %? Just stop around the 25 mark (divide the bar in 4) and by the time the dots are ticked out it should be a couple more % further making it an ideal time to stop.

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It's not like DPS can do damage while Levi is diving. We're just hitting him normally while we can. Same way you would keep healing a tank while he's still getting hit. Then 10 seconds later everybody dies for no apparent reason? Oh I know, you can just stop healing the tank, let him die for all I care, you can always raise him up during "phase change" right? What a brilliant way to deal with a "mechanic".

Again, it's not like DPS don't know how to deal with this. The argument is that's really poor design and goes against the role of DPS, just as much as it goes against healers' role of stopping to heal while people are still getting hit.

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Originally Posted by Raenryong

Because DPS sitting around unable to act in fear of an arbitrary un-obvious mechanic is extremely poor game design. Just like if a fight required healers to just go afk for a period of time or risk causing an instant wipe.

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Are we talking about the levi fight anymore, or are you talking out of your rear?

The point is to do the bubbles and not go and hit levi at the same time, much like how ifrit, you do the nails instead of hitting ifrit at the same time.

There is no point dps is afk, only choosing the proper targets.

Some people are really start to talk out their rear in what exactly the issue.

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Originally Posted by AlyssaFhey

Simply put, either they start giving us Total hp/% or they remove the mechanics. Mechanics we gotta eyeball is stupid. Especially since Half the DPS classes have DoTs that they can't control after using.

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Yeah eyeballing is a skill. You're one of those guys who go to the shooting range with a scope huh?
Even more to make your self look like an idiot: yes, you can know exactly when you reached 20% with a visual indicator. Both mercy stroke and misery's end activate at 20% (and for your information, you don't wipe at 20% because I'm able to actually use those moves). Most of this is just people in your group attacking the boss instead of spumes when they appear anyway. It's fixable by doing the fight properly.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Can't believe people actually defend crap like this.

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Yea its getting ridiculous around here, I can appreicate people defending something worthwhile but this is just bad mechanics and lazy design.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Yea its getting ridiculous around here, I can appreicate people defending something worthwhile but this is just bad mechanics and lazy design.

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considering twin is pretty much the same thing, as well as many many other fights, why are you defending your own statement.

lazy to self > lazy design

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Are we talking about the levi fight anymore, or are you talking out of your rear?

The point is to do the bubbles and not go and hit levi at the same time, much like how ifrit, you do the nails instead of hitting ifrit at the same time.

There is no point dps is afk, only choosing the proper targets.

Some people are really start to talk out their rear in what exactly the issue.

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If your DPS is high enough, you'll push it anyway. Are you talking out of your rear, or is your dps simply lacking?

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Even more to make your self look like an idiot: yes, you can know exactly when you reached 20% with a visual indicator. Both mercy stroke and misery's end activate at 20% (and for your information, you don't wipe at 20% because I'm able to actually use those moves). Most of this is just people in your group attacking the boss instead of spumes when they appear anyway. It's fixable by doing the fight properly.

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Not if your DPS is good. Granted most people in this game are abhorrent at DPS. Also Misery's End and Mercy Stroke are not available to all DPS.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Yea its getting ridiculous around here, I can appreicate people defending something worthwhile but this is just bad mechanics and lazy design.

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Making sure you can't brute-force your way past mechanics is not bad and/or lazy design.

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

Making sure you can't brute-force your way past mechanics is not bad and/or lazy design.

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Except they have a better method of dealing with this on fights like Garuda/Titan where immunity simply occurs, not just "lol you dead".