Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Senn

Some other person on there drew male viera with a figure skaters physique and did a height comparison to male miqo'te. I thought they did a good job.

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Well, seeing that heigth comparison just killed my hype for male viera... I would never play something as short, we are asking for male viera, not hobbits, that serously looks like a whole different race...

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Were they being mad at us? :(

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No. Some were discussing how they wanted Alphinaud's model as a base. Others were discussing it might be an ethical issue over seas.
From what I have been reading, it appears that the people on the japanese forum prefer a more slim body type. This is just an assumption, but those likes on the buff pics are probably mostly from the NA forum right now lol

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Originally Posted by Renik

Well, seeing that heigth comparison just killed my hype for male viera... I would never play something as short, we are asking for male viera, not hobbits, that serously looks like a whole different race...

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I personally like it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I doubt anyone is going to be surprised by that statement, given your established preferences.

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You'd be surprised. I don't care too much about the height. My primary concern is the thinness of male viera. Although if they're around the same height as the females, or even a tad shorter, that'd be fine too.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

At this point I've kind of made peace with Omega-M as a base. It's not too far from the concept art (max... that.... muscle slider!) and adheres to what Yoshida's had as his go-to description for male Viera.

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That's what I've been saying this entire time man. Omega m as a base would be ideal.

hit post cap just fyi

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Originally Posted by Renik

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Whatever you say is your business, and I'm not trying to police what you say, but on the japanese forum, you're sort of violating a social norm. The japanese tend not to be confrontational. Occasionally, they'll make posts disagreeing with each other, but for the most part, they only voice what they would like, and not confront others. In fact, they were having an argument earlier about this very thing in that thread.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I dont want Viera to be any Miqote or Highlander. Thats why these 2 exist and we can fantasia to them anytime.
I'd rather want Viera to be what our giraffes cant be. Some good looking slim race (with muscle slider, I dont mind). Just with better proportions and physics and better faces, and a fixed neck. So basically something unique.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Renik

I don't mind the body type, but that height is just reverse Au Ra... for me is same max height or nothing, pull the slider down all you want, I dont care, but beign forced to be short is a big no.

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I'm not talking about body types or anything at this point. What I'm trying to say is that the japanese have a certain way of discourse on their forum, and... well, nevermind. If they get angry, they'll get angry lol

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Senn, stop, take a break, come back later. We can't all keep going back to that one post like a black hole amalgamation of the debate that came after it.

https://i.imgur.com/CoWZ05t.gif

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LOL omg I really dislike this posting limit
I'll just be back later.

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Originally Posted by stormygabe

A manly body with a FABULOUS face. PERFECT FOR EVERYONE!

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I wouldn't say it's 'perfect'. It's virtually no different a Miqo'te other than having bunny rather than cat ears. Something a bit more different would be preferable. If that's what some you want, you can get virtually the same effect by sticking the bunny ears from The Gold Saucer onto a Miqo'te.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I personally like it.

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I doubt anyone is going to be surprised by that statement, given your established preferences.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Others were discussing it might be an ethical issue over seas.

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They're not wrong.

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From what I have been reading, it appears that the people on the japanese forum prefer a more slim body type. This is just an assumption, but those likes on the buff pics are probably mostly from the NA forum right now lol

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At this point I've kind of made peace with Omega-M as a base. It's not too far from the concept art (max... that.... muscle slider!) and adheres to what Yoshida's had as his go-to description for male Viera.
Which is a completely separate debate from how tall they'd be. I'm hoping that between their tendency to make the guys taller, and the negative feedback regarding the Au Ra height differences, that they won't indulge in it too much.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I wouldn't say it's 'perfect'. It's virtually no different a Miqo'te other than having bunny rather than cat ears

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Yeah, the nose is off. It's one of the things I like about the female Viera models, they do look rather bunny-ish.

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Originally Posted by Senn

That's what I've been saying this entire time man. Omega m as a base would be ideal.

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The lesser evil =\= ideal. I'd still much prefer male Au Ra as a base.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I wouldn't say it's 'perfect'. It's virtually no different a Miqo'te other than having bunny rather than cat ears. Something a bit more different would be preferable. If that's what some you want, you can get virtually the same effect by sticking the bunny ears from The Gold Saucer onto a Miqo'te.

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But you could say the same thing about making them buff. Put Gold Saucer bunny ears on your Highlander and give him red eyes and white hair. Boom. There ya go. Instant buff bun bro. (Also I like Cat Daddy's ears as they are. He doesn't need rabbit ears as well.)

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Originally Posted by stormygabe

But you could say the same thing about making them buff. Put Gold Saucer bunny ears on your Highlander and give him red eyes and white hair. Boom. There ya go. Instant buff bun bro. (Also I like Cat Daddy's ears as they are. He doesn't need rabbit ears as well.)

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Well, no - you couldn't. None of the artwork for Viera men that has been posted looks remotely like a Highlander. Meanwhile, a lot of the artwork posted for 'smaller' Viera men is quite objectively just a Miqo'te look-alike with bunny ears stuck on. Let's not be disingenuous.

I dont want Viera to be like any Miqote or Highlander body. Thats why these 2 exist and we can fantasia to them anytime.
I'd rather want Viera to be what our giraffes cant be. Some good looking slim race (with muscle slider, I dont mind). Just with better proportions and physics and better faces, and a fixed neck. So basically something unique, the height... well thats something to discuss for.

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Originally Posted by Senn

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I don't mind the body type, but that height is just reverse Au Ra... for me is same max height or nothing, pull the slider down all you want, I dont care, but beign forced to be short is a big no.

Senn, stop, take a break, come back later. We can't all keep going back to that one post like a black hole amalgamation of the debate that came after it.

https://i.imgur.com/CoWZ05t.gif

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Well, no - you couldn't. None of the artwork for Viera men that has been posted looks remotely like a Highlander. Meanwhile, a lot of the artwork posted for 'smaller' Viera men is quite objectively just a Miqo'te look-alike with bunny ears stuck on. Let's not be disingenuous.

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I think that's a subjective viewpoint. Miqo'te are actually relatively muscular. Maybe not like Highlanders, but they have v-shaped, athletic, classically handsome, heroic physiques reminiscent of a typical shonen hero. Think Deku, or Naruto, etc. etc. I'd even go as far to compare them to the likes of Indiana Jones or Tom Cruise from Mission Impossible, too! The thin Viera fanart that I've seen mostly hasn't looked like that. What are Highlanders but tall, muscular humans? That's what the muscular versions people draw also look like. Ergo, you put the bunny crown on a Highlander, and it's the same idea. Let's not be disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I dont want Viera to be like any Miqote or Highlander body. Thats why these 2 exist and we can fantasia to them anytime.
I'd rather want Viera to be what our giraffes cant be. Some good looking slim race (with muscle slider, I dont mind). Just with better proportions and physics and better faces, and a fixed neck. So basically something unique, the height... well thats something to discuss for.

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I agree with this sentiment.

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Originally Posted by stormygabe

Ergo, you put the bunny crown on a Highlander, and it's the same idea.

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While I can't speak for Theodric, my problem with that particular fanart is the face shape. Going at least by the female Viera models, that fanart's face is much more Miqo'te than it would ever be a Viera. Then you also have the face paint which is similar to things that already exist on Miqo'te.
I feel like the debate has needlessly expanded beyond that particular fanart to race generalizations, but maybe it's just me ^^;

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

While I can't speak for Theodric, my problem with that particular fanart is the face shape. Going at least by the female Viera models, that fanart's face is much more Miqo'te than it would ever be a Viera. Then you also have the face paint which is similar to things that already exist on Miqo'te.
I feel like the debate has needlessly expanded beyond that particular fanart to race generalizations, but maybe it's just me ^^;

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First I want to clarify why I'm participating in this discussion. It's for two reasons: 1. It's fun, and 2. It's my twisted way of helping to keep this thread visible. Though admittedly, there are probably better ways to go about that.

Regarding your main point, I can see why that would be an issue, but you have to remember that this is just fanart. The devs are likely not going to use any of it as official concept art and they'll likely want the guys to match up well with the girls. They'll probably make them look somewhat rabbitlike, but who knows. This is assuming they even develop them at all. So yeah, this debate is entirely pointless. It isn't just you.

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Originally Posted by stormygabe

So yeah, this debate is entirely pointless.

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What is existence, anyway?

...it's 2 am, I'm gonna count bunnies and go to bed. You guys keep this going strong!

Some more artwork i found yay! (gonna edit the artists later, since haven't found them right now)

I personally like this very much! gives him character (also the typicall viera bunny-nose \o/ )
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lol after reading the jp thread i think they got their own version of Senn with this cat-cat guy, no offense, just seemed funny.

I just hope they dont make viera that short, or we could be getting the same thing Tera got in the west with the Elin, gear and body censorship <.<

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Originally Posted by Senn

Whatever you say is your business, and I'm not trying to police what you say, but on the japanese forum, you're sort of violating a social norm. The japanese tend not to be confrontational. Occasionally, they'll make posts disagreeing with each other, but for the most part, they only voice what they would like, and not confront others. In fact, they were having an argument earlier about this very thing in that thread.

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Ah sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about my post in the JP thread, is was commenting on your "I like it comment" lol. And yes I'm aware of what I did but i have no other way to express my opinion as I cant wirte Japanese, if I see someone feels offended I'll ask a firend of mine to translate my opinion.

Edit: >< double post, what a waste /facepalm.

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Originally Posted by Renik

lol after reading the jp thread i think they got their own version of Senn with this cat-cat guy, no offense, just seemed funny.

I just hope they dont make viera that short, or we could be getting the same thing Tera got in the west with the Elin, gear and body censorship <.<

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i find it funny how tera in the west at the beginning was like „this is a big nono, we need to cencor this“ and later into the game they just went „screw this“ and just copy pasted whatever came from the east :,D

Can you guys stop posting images to the Japanese thread?
It's not like we need to be enlightened!

I'll just leave this here too.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7844/...8e0b48b6_z.jpg

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Originally Posted by RikkCavalier

I'll just leave this here too.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7844/...8e0b48b6_z.jpg

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a boy can dream! I liked this art so much I made it apart of my signature lol

and of course this piece as well!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyegp4vVAAAI_kz.png

by FrischeNq

I'd be very happy if Viera men looked like that. Classically handsome and somewhat beefy, yet not overly so? Sign me up!

It helps that they actually look imposing enough to match their reputation as fierce defenders of the forest.

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Originally Posted by Kazran

a boy can dream! I liked this art so much I made it apart of my signature lol

and of course this piece as well!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyegp4vVAAAI_kz.png

by FrischeNq

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Conan with bunny ears?...lol

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Originally Posted by Kelryth

Conan with bunny ears?...lol

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I wouldn't exactly say no to that either. Though hopefully not looking like he does in Conan Exiles, maybe more classically handsome, (most depictions of him looks like he has abit of neanderthal DNA goin on) plus square could never get away with the level of nudity in that game!

Less beef too, Maybe more of a swimmers, rowers or figure skaters build! Lean! You know like in the artwork I posted!

Though I do like the Castlevania anime vibe the other art work has too!

Everyone wants butt sliders but imagine getting those types of sliders like in Conan exiles and Saints Row! haha!

Please add male viera and female hrothgar, SE.
Genderlock is lame

You guys really shouldn't post on the JP thread, leaving a like is fine but let them organically have conversations, spamming or inserting yourself into a conversation without any other context than to post an image isn't a good look and can be confrontational. Also I get stating your opinion and disagreeing but there hasn't even been confirmation about whether male viera would be added or not. There's little reason to get bent out of shape if someone posts pictures or makes content for a design you do not like as long as they aren't breaking ToS, it just comes off as you not wanting anything added unless it's pin point to what you desire which ACTUALLY seems entitled.

Let the devs figure out whether they want to add it in and how it will look, talking about what you'd like is fine but there's no reason to have an entire episode about how disappointed you are that someone drew a short or tall or beefy or not traditionally handsome male viera, and how you'd rather it not be added now.

Practice some civility.

Don't bully the Jp forums they too lust for male Viera

So, it's been over a week. This means a couple things.

1) Yoshi-P has been briefed on the top thread of the week, which is this.

2-A) Yoshi-P and his team are busy forming a response, one that is either confirmation of genderlock removal (seems unlikely) or at least that they hear us and are considering (more likely).

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2-B) Yoshi-P and his team have decided to ignore it hoping things will die down, so they can relegate Male Viera to the trashcan.

I think 2-B is much more likely, simply because reversing the decision would make Yoshi-P's team look bad, internally. It'd be admitting to their superiors that they made a really bad decision (which they did) in not implementing both genders.

It's important then to keep up the noise until there is a response. Do not let the noise die down. Keep bringing it up until there is some kind of response which lets the base know that decisions are being changed. If they do announce that they are reviewing the situation, it's important not to quiet down. MMOs want long-term customers more than anything, and so they want to keep people happy.

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Originally Posted by niteypants

So, it's been over a week. This means a couple things.

1) Yoshi-P has been briefed on the top thread of the week, which is this.

2-A) Yoshi-P and his team are busy forming a response, one that is either confirmation of genderlock removal (seems unlikely) or at least that they hear us and are considering (more likely).

OR

2-B) Yoshi-P and his team have decided to ignore it hoping things will die down, so they can relegate Male Viera to the trashcan.

I think 2-B is much more likely, simply because reversing the decision would make Yoshi-P's team look bad, internally. It'd be admitting to their superiors that they made a really bad decision (which they did) in not implementing both genders.

It's important then to keep up the noise until there is a response. Do not let the noise die down. Keep bringing it up until there is some kind of response which lets the base know that decisions are being changed. If they do announce that they are reviewing the situation, it's important not to quiet down. MMOs want long-term customers more than anything, and so they want to keep people happy.

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Aye! instead of arguing among ourselves about the design of a thing that hasn't even been confirmed!

We have to stay loud! Stay polite but loud! We have to keep their feet in the fire so they have to respond!

My assumption is that they're still gathering feedback and preparing their statement on the matter. There's wildly different expectations for what Viera men should be and I imagine that applies to Hrothgar women as well. Furthermore, even if they do decide to go ahead and add them to the game it should not be rushed due to the risk of an unsatisfactory end result. I honestly don't expect anything until 6.0, or at least not until Shadowbringers is around the halfway point. I also wouldn't want any other planned content to be scrapped or delayed to make room for them.

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2-B) Yoshi-P and his team have decided to ignore it hoping things will die down, so they can relegate Male Viera to the trashcan.

I think 2-B is much more likely, simply because reversing the decision would make Yoshi-P's team look bad, internally. It'd be admitting to their superiors that they made a really bad decision (which they did) in not implementing both genders.

It's important then to keep up the noise until there is a response. Do not let the noise die down. Keep bringing it up until there is some kind of response which lets the base know that decisions are being changed. If they do announce that they are reviewing the situation, it's important not to quiet down. MMOs want long-term customers more than anything, and so they want to keep people happy.

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I'm actually wearing a Kobold Brown dyed Bunny Crown on my male Elezen at all times, and I think I've become an annoyance on Reddit unfortunately with how often I bring up male Viera. Those ears aren't coming off no matter what I do until we get male Viera! Never give up! (Even if people hate how passionate about it you are, lol.) XD

I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything yet on this topic. How long on average does it normally take for a response on something like this?

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Originally Posted by Lexi

I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything yet on this topic. How long on average does it normally take for a response on something like this?

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It varies. With that said, I'd urge people to show some restraint. All requests should be civil and ideally confined to a single thread. Simply flooding the forums with it serves to erode away support and breed resentment after all.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd be very happy if Viera men looked like that. Classically handsome and somewhat beefy, yet not overly so? Sign me up!

It helps that they actually look imposing enough to match their reputation as fierce defenders of the forest.

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Sign me up too!

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Originally Posted by Lexi

I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything yet on this topic. How long on average does it normally take for a response on something like this?

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I suspect, as Theodric also said, that they're still looking over feedback. There's also the consideration that any news/discussion/updates moving forward should be carefully and tactfully written with as much clarity as possible, all the while not making solid promises (because nothing is guaranteed for good reason). The worst that can happen is taking their statements out of context, or if they overreach and make a promise that they can't fulfill. With all that in mind, they're probably treading lightly and with great care regarding any response to male Viera/female Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by RikkCavalier

I'll just leave this here too.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7844/...8e0b48b6_z.jpg

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Honestly reminds me of a Viera version of Simon Belmont.

MALE VIERA!!! AND FEMALE Hrothgar BUT FIX THAT MALE Hrothgar SO HORRIBLE.

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Originally Posted by Hadewych

MALE VIERA!!! AND FEMALE Hrothgar BUT FIX THAT MALE Hrothgar SO HORRIBLE.

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What's wrong with the male Hrothgar? They look fine to me.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

What's wrong with the male Hrothgar? They look fine to me.

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Some find there textures pretty funky
But compared to rest of the game fit right in